ITV documentary about Andrew and Ghislaine

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www.itv.com/news/2022-01-17/ghislaine-maxwell-kept-coming-in-and-out-in-and-out-of-buckingham-palace

An ITV documentary is airing tomorrow suggesting that Andrew may have dated Ghislaine Maxwell

Andrews mother must have know who and what he was doing, she knew exactly what he was up to- all that time! Why on earth didn’t the Queen step in earlier. So very disturbing

Ranvir completely over egged it. I was embarrassed for her.

Why was it called Ghislaine, The Prince and the Paedophile?

Why not - The Convicted Child Sex Trafficker, The Prince and The Paedophile?

Was there anything else to suggest a relationship?

The fact she was forever in BPalace visiting him sometimes up to 4 times a day.
It's all hearsay of course, but they certainly had a very strong friendship

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From what I've read over quite a time... they think she didn't know anything. Didn't procure girls, didn't see anything etc. Sounds bizarre I know

Slinging they've never gone down that route from what I've seen. I've listened to podcasts and read stuff, and they don't run their father down at all from what I know

Ontheblink Exactly. She 'expressed concern' about his friendship with JE about 11 years ago. Did she do anything about that concern? No.

Given the massive repurcussions of this, I don't think it was over egged.

I didn’t think Ranvir did that well - felt like she made it about her.
Also found the juror uncomfortable to watch as he seems a little starstruck.
I found the comments chilling where they spoke of the driver and G spending hours cruising Miami looking for young girls to pick up - which the driver corroborated.
I thought the older girl who spoke of being in the island and the massages credible. When she spoke of ‘going along with it’ rather than being forced. Can you imagine what it must have been like?

@Vapeyvapevape

John Cleese, Brian Ferry ! Not saying they are involved at all but old Jeff certainly knew a lot of people.

The black book is a list of English high society and beyond. Many of these people featured in Tatler's events pages.

Ontheblink Exactly. She 'expressed concern' about his friendship with JE about 11 years ago. Did she do anything about that concern? No.

I see this mentioned often on here about the Queen but, does anyone really and honestly think Andrew takes any advice from anyone?. I think it it highly unlikely he listens to anyone and particularly wouldn't like being told who he can and can't be friends with. He is way too arrogant to take that on board. I can see him telling the Queen what she wants to hear and then carrying on doing whatever he wants. He likes to give the impression that he has respect for his mum but his actions show otherwise.

Yes probably!
She was an elderly woman back then and he probably just fobbed her off.
However, she could've done more I think. Don't ask me what! But whenever his Aides or private Secretary tried to advise or suggest... he always said he was only answerable to the Queen and to fuck off.

I didn’t think Ranvir did that well - felt like she made it about her

Very much agree with this, but then too many "presenters" do

And while there's a lot I admire about the US justice system, allowing jurors to have a go at being reality stars isn't one of them

After seeing a clip when that ITV presenter calls PA I do not think I would bother

Yes, this too; a bit too much like silly teenagers giggling round their mobiles for my taste

TBH I'd never even heard of Ranvir Singh, but doubtless she'll feel this will help her profile

Posted this on the other thread instead of this one, but it's unfair to say the Queen could have done more. Prince Andrew is an adult responsible for his own decisions.

Marking my spot to keep up with the latest

The Queen does more when it suits her. She could have done more- we are talking about underage sex ffs

Ontheblink - What would you have expected her to have done?

Of COURSE, the Queen could do more! She has the final word.
Removing privileges, her £££££££ to him, threats of patronages being axed back then, lots of stuff

It makes me fume that people insist on portraying the queen as a victim of her feckless son. She's the president of this (criminal) Firm and as such has a responsibility to ensure that sov grant recipients spend their millions appropriately. The queen and the RF allowed all this to happen, because they thought they could get away with it. If the queen gave two hoots about setting the moral example and doing the duty she harps on about, questions could have been raised at any time and actions taken 20 years ago, as to the suitability of Andrew's carryings-on. Why was he ever given the money to fly round the world like that?

And minimum due diligence on visitors to Balmoral? Seeing as she's such a precious national asset... Or is it just yet another free-for-all funded by the taxpayer?

I think if anything, HM is very disconnected from her DC. Puts duty before all, and just left bungling aides to deal with them.

Surely Andrew's security/staff would have taken him to one side after some background investigation into Epstein/Maxwell? Or was he too arrogant to listen?

Andrew is a product of his upbringing and could have easily been kept on a tight leash considering that he is financially dependent on his mother and loves the pomp and ceremony of it all.
I bet that his parents do (did) not realise that the arrogant and entitled attitude is toxic and repeated in other men like Boris Johnson who they probably realise is a dick. Considering that she is a woman in a job that is more commonly for men, she seems to think that boys will be boys which is a shirt attitude. While I think there's an element of her believing Andrew when he says things are being handled, it's staggering that she did not micromanage this massive issue when tiny ones are noted all of the time.

Surely Andrew's security/staff would have taken him to one side after some background investigation into Epstein/Maxwell? Or was he too arrogant to listen?

Yes they did
He was.

I read that they tried to offer him advice and were told he is only answerable to HMQ and to feck off

My dh worked at buck palace for 4 years in royalty protection.
PA was/is despised by staff/ police.
He treats people terribly.
Calls the police c*nts to there faces. Has tried to run them over when returning to the palace.

He is an awful man through and through.

@NiceShrubbery

It makes me fume that people insist on portraying the queen as a victim of her feckless son. She's the president of this (criminal) Firm and as such has a responsibility to ensure that sov grant recipients spend their millions appropriately. The queen and the RF allowed all this to happen, because they thought they could get away with it. If the queen gave two hoots about setting the moral example and doing the duty she harps on about, questions could have been raised at any time and actions taken 20 years ago, as to the suitability of Andrew's carryings-on. Why was he ever given the money to fly round the world like that?

And minimum due diligence on visitors to Balmoral? Seeing as she's such a precious national asset... Or is it just yet another free-for-all funded by the taxpayer?

The curious Vice Admiralty bestowed on Andrew by his mother in 2015 was baffling at the time (the Epstein conviction for trafficking minors was already known at this point) and will not go down well in the light of history.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/happy-birthday-price-andrew-help-yourself-to-a-vice-admiralty-and-they-say-the-royals-are-aliens-10045494.html

2015 you say, AuntMasha. Same year as she bought a flat in... New York. Apparently.

www.veranda.com/luxury-lifestyle/news/a1203/inside-queen-elizabeths-manhattan-pied-a-terre/#:~:text=According%20to%20The%20Real%20Deal,%2C%20according%20to%206sqft.com.

@Ontheblink

Andrews mother must have know who and what he was doing, she knew exactly what he was up to- all that time! Why on earth didn’t the Queen step in earlier. So very disturbing

Why must she have known? Do you think all 40-year-old divorced sons tell their mothers what their sex lives are like or take kindly to their mothers checking up on their every move? Is there any proof that she knew exactly what he was up to all the time?

@ihatethecold

My dh worked at buck palace for 4 years in royalty protection. PA was/is despised by staff/ police. He treats people terribly. Calls the police c*nts to there faces. Has tried to run them over when returning to the palace.

He is an awful man through and through.

I've heard quite the opposite from various, reliable sources, however it is all hearsay.

It strikes me that people want to think the worst. I remember when Prince Andrew was popular. The media latch on to the slightest thing and won't let it go. We've seen it before and will no doubt see it again.

Someone is loved and feted one minute and the next, negativity creeps in.

It's happened with Harry and Meghan. Their engagement and beautiful wedding were greeted with love. Five minutes later, the press turned against and continue to pick holes in them, whatever they try to do. They are well out of it but we have lost a star couple.

I don't know whether Prince Andrew is guilty of what he is accused, or not and neither does anyone else except the parties involved. Yet if the charges are dropped or he is not found guilty, people will still believe the worst.

I don't 'get' it at all. Are people not innocent until proven guilty in the UK any more.

As for blaming the Queen - sheesh.

Is there any proof that she knew exactly what he was up to all the time?

If she wants to act like a millionaire CEO on our money, then she will be treated like one. She needs to know what her employees/heirs are up to and who they're doing it with. Buck stops with the boss.