If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

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...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

No-one's perfect! I'm sure there were reservations about Kate - I had some - she had never held a 'proper' job and was very young when they got together. She's proved to many (including me) that my fear was unfounded.

Others are free to have a different opinion - including HM - although I suspect she too can see what a wonderful asset Kate has become!

I don't understand the claims that Meghan was told she had to work because there was no budget. They don't make sense because she didn't work and there was a budget. She had a lot of money spent on her and her house.
The deed therefore proves the words wrong.

@UserBot999

I think William happily accepted the rule but Harry didnt accept it. He insisted meghan be included.

So William didn't care?

Well, William didnt challenge the tradition did he.

@madisonbridges

I don't understand the claims that Meghan was told she had to work because there was no budget. They don't make sense because she didn't work and there was a budget. She had a lot of money spent on her and her house. The deed therefore proves the words wrong.

Well that is the whole point is it not?

That they didn't believe this to be true. They clearly felt that someone was trying to be difficult.

Or you could take it at face value that he was pursued by paps and not read any more in to it. I’m not saying that it wasn’t unpleasant, but it’s not dangerous as such and as pp said, a skilled driver would be of more use than armed protection. I’m not sure it’s legal to shoot at paps even if it is very tempting. And Harry does have a problem with paps and journalists.

A London based team for trips to the Uk would surely make sense since they'd know the streets better and be able to lose a vehicle following them quicker. Not sure why a firearm would be necessary at all.

If he was approached in the car park by an aggressive paparazzi then I don't see how things might be different ? Surely US paparazzi lurk in similar places to Uk ones so an experienced bodyguard would know where to look before moving the car near to the exit?

@madisonbridges

I don't understand the claims that Meghan was told she had to work because there was no budget. They don't make sense because she didn't work and there was a budget. She had a lot of money spent on her and her house. The deed therefore proves the words wrong.

What is alledged is that Harry told them no. Just because something is suggested it does not mean it will happen.

Different personalities. William was always the more conformist, and Harry the more wayward, according to their mother, anyway.
I don't think Kaye not being invited for Christmas is an indication they weren't keen on her - no other girlfriend or fiancée ever had been either. The rule was changed for Meghan.

can someone please explain the obsession with H&M
second thread about this non story and the dislike for someone who just left the rf is strange.
I just don't get it. there must have been so many threads just full of venom for them. why?
how can anyone dislike someone so much , but spend so much time ripping them apart.

My understanding of the "Meghan might still work" thing was that it was mentioned as something she might like to keep her hand in with as a modern working woman, rather than burn all her bridges on becoming a member of the RF.
When did this become twisted into some sort of slight?

[quote Puzzledandpissedoff]@TheHairyDinosaur if you know CP people, would you happen to know if US security really aren't allowed firearms over here?
As said upthread, I've always wondered if a "blind eye" is turned to it, but the closest I can get is an LAPD detective friend who laughed like a drain when I said it's not allowed ... but he's not worked over here personally so perhaps he's wrong?

A real journalist would note : We are aware that Harry was followed by the paps, but his team has not confirmed that this in itself was the actual cause of concern

Absolutely spot on, rubics, but unfortunately there aren't too many proper journalists left now and all they seem to value is clickbait[/quote]
@Puzzledandpissedoff I think the only ones who can carry them without questions/special treatment are those protecting a visiting president. Something to do with international law CIA and British Intelligence sharing. Allied working.

Private Hired CP shouldn't be carrying, I mean they can and some probably do, because unless you stop and search them how are you to know. But if they were found to be carrying they would have a firearm offence placed against them same as Joe Blogs from Manchester running a county lines drug gang.

So even if they had to discharge the weapon to protect the asset. They would be arrested for possession and use of a firearm regardless of the "good" it did.

Basically firearms are illegal to conceal and carry unless you are exempt. Royal Protection, CIA, Interpol, Armed Police.

Saying that though I hosted an event for Prince Charles and met him. His CP officer used my office to make some telephone calls and he took off his jacket and there was no holster for a firearm. So unless it was strapped to his ankle I didn't see one when I was sat in my office with him. Not to say one of the others who was with him didn't have one, but this one didn't.

@ChiefInspectorParker

Well that is the whole point is it not?

They carried on not believing it, even though it actually happened?

I know Harry has a reputation for being dim but that’s a bit of a reach.

Who says they carried on believing it?

Clearly they did not believe it, because they stayed regardless.
They were just recounting what took place and and what was being said to them.

About the claims around Meghan working and "the budget", I just wonder if it could have been "We have no objection to you carrying on working if you wish" but that it's been spun differently?

Plenty get stick for pretending to work, but there are some who really do (or did) - Richard Gloucester, Zara Tindall, David Armstrong Jones, Duchess of Kent, etc., and surely Meghan could have been another?

@ChiefInspectorParker so they preferred her to Kate then to make all those exceptions?

Very many thanks for your detailed, reply, @TheHairyDinosaur ... sems that, like so many things, it's a bit more nuanced than it first appears!!

What is alledged is that Harry told them no.
Just because something is suggested it does not mean it will happen.

Saying to someone, "you have to work because there's no budget", isn't a suggestion. I think it was claimed by the Royal family that they said, "if you want to carry on working, you can". That's a suggestion. And it sounds quite reasonable. She said she didn't want to work so they paid for her clothes and paid a few million to do their house up for them. It doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.

Harry offering to pay for any Police Protection, probably armed, is a red herring.
He knows that it won't be allowed and that us, the tax payer, will pick up the bill.
He's just trying to force the issue through the Courts to get his own way.

I’m surprised you don’t recall the details actually, Christmas at Sandringham got a lot of coverage.

I am not saying I don't recall what happened with Meghan, I am saying I don't recall what the other women received. Someone made a list of all the 'special' things that were done for the other brides to be. From Diana, Fergie, Kate etc. So nothing particularly unique in Meghan getting her own 'thing'. Everyone had a 'special thing' done for them.

Well.... this is interesting then...
Special Policing Services
25. Provision of Special Services
The Chief Officer of Police of a Police Force may provide, at the request of any person, special police services at any premises or at any locality in the police area subject to the payment to the local police body of charges on such scales as may be determined by that body.

He knows that it won't be allowed and that us, the tax payer, will pick up the bill.

He specifically said he did not want that.

@KonTikki

Harry offering to pay for any Police Protection, probably armed, is a red herring. He knows that it won't be allowed and that us, the tax payer, will pick up the bill. He's just trying to force the issue through the Courts to get his own way.

Blair pays for it.

@Sirzy

Of course he can’t come over in secret. Things just don’t work like that. And why should be have to?

He managed to jet back and forth to Canada in secret when he and Meghan were dating!

@Roussette

Well.... this is interesting then... Special Policing Services 25. Provision of Special Services The Chief Officer of Police of a Police Force may provide, at the request of any person, special police services at any premises or at any locality in the police area subject to the payment to the local police body of charges on such scales as may be determined by that body.

@Roussette yes I think this is what football clubs need to submit to have extra policing at match days, and they pay for it. So say any derby match where friction/violence is higher then expected they can pay for more.

I know historically when Swansea City used to play Cardiff City the club's used to pay a hefty police bill to have more police and mounted police and sometimes even riot police at the stadium.

My service users love a derby Day, because there's less police about everywhere else in the city because they are all at the stadium, so they could get up to no good even easier 🤦🏻‍♀️