Will Beatrice and Eugenie become full time royals?

[Flynnqwer]

When they’re Counsellors of State?

Currently the four Counsellors are Charles, William, Harry and Andrew. When Charles accedes the throne Beatrice will take her place as counsellor, and when William accedes so will Eugenie. Or perhaps they will sooner than that given that Harry and Andrew can, in reality, not represent the Queen any more.

Will they become full time royals at that point? Currently William and Kate are the only working royals of their generation. I know Charles is keen on a slimmed down monarchy, but William will need support from his own generation in the absence of Harry.

[ZenNudist]

Pretty sure the monarchy won't make it to William. No one wants to see King Charles anyway. We will hopefully be a Republic by then

[HeadNorth]

Nothing they do is essential so we will all cope fine with less of them on the gravy train.

[Sheabutterisdelish]

ZenNudist

I think a lot of people would like to see William and Kate on the throne though, Charles is in his 70's already and I would imagine in poorer health than the Queen

[ToleranceAndCourage]

I think Harry & Megan are going to move back and make up with Wills and Katherine. They will be the next generation of royals. There will be amigo PR campaign to improve M&H's image, they'll be popular but not outshine K&W.

[Malariahilaria]

Charles will never step aside. He's 73 now. Assuming he lives til 90 because of the privileged existence, lack of stress and amazing healthcare then wonderful will and Kate would be nearing 60 before they get to the throne. The young glamour of Queen Elizabeth in the 60s seems unlikely to return. Just old people doddering about cutting ribbons.

[perimenofertility]

CofS are the sovereign's spouse and the next four in line of succession who are over age 21. Currently, the sovereign's spouse is gone and we have Charles, William, Harry and Andrew. Harry and Andrew are both still in the line of succession as are their children, although in practice neither will carry out royal duties again. The CofS title is a bit meaningless, because Harry and Andrew will never be called on to use it, whereas Edward and Anne regularly represent the Queen. Anyway,
When Charles succeeds to the throne, the set will be Camilla, William, Harry, Andrew, Beatrice. If Harry gives up British citizenship and/or Andrew is convicted of a crime, the next in line to take their place are Eugenie (first) then Edward (second).
In 2034 it will be: Camilla, William, George, Harry, Andrew
In 2036 it will be: Camilla, William, George, Charlotte, Harry
In 2039 it will be: Camilla, William, George, Charlotte, Louis
If William succeeds to the throne sooner, it will be Catherine, Harry, Andrew, Beatrice, Eugenie, until the three Cambridge children (who by then will be Wales children) reach 21.

[Sheabutterisdelish]

ToleranceAndCourage

I suspect hell would freeze over before H & M came back, they seem very happy away from it all tbh.

[perimenofertility]

But in answer to your original question, I doubt very much Beatrice and Eugenie would become full time working royals. Charles has made it clear he wants to slim down and these two are just not needed.
When Charles is king he has William, Catherine, Anne, Edward and Sophie to call on as working royals. When William is king he has likely still got Edward and Sophie as well as his three children.

[tickingthebox73]

@Sheabutterisdelish

ToleranceAndCourage

I suspect hell would freeze over before H & M came back, they seem very happy away from it all tbh.

Although its a bit odd them selling the new mansion in MonteCiteo - almost like they can't afford the lifestyle....

[Comedycook]

@ZenNudist

Pretty sure the monarchy won't make it to William. No one wants to see King Charles anyway. We will hopefully be a Republic by then

Of course it will... don't be so silly

[Kite22]

Well, I've learnt something today. Thank you

I think there will have to be some more working/full time royals otherwise there’ll be hardly any occasion when the public meet/see a royal. I understand the desire for a slimmed down royal family but what’s the point of royal family if there are not out and about doing public duties.

This ^
I've been to two DofE Gold Award Presentations at the Palace. Both had 3 royals working the sessions at the same time. Everyone there felt they had spoken to a member of the royal family, and it made it feel like a really important occasion.
These sorts of encounters go on morning, afternoon and evening, day after day, throughout the year. They are really important to all sort of people, to all sorts of charities and all sorts of voluntary organisations. You don't have to be a mad keen royalist to feel a bit excited to be chatting with a member of the royal family.
As a pp said, The Queen has had her sibling ...for much of her reign, her mother.... various cousins.... and her 4 children, plus their spouses. William and Kate won't have that support if Charles slims it down as much as it is reported he might do.

[ChristmasPlanning]

This is a stupid question but I don't understand why Beatrice & Eugenia are closer to the throne than Edward & Anne?

Why aren't the queen's children not more senior than grandchildren?

[CovidCorvid]

@ChristmasPlanning

This is a stupid question but I don't understand why Beatrice & Eugenia are closer to the throne than Edward & Anne?

Why aren't the queen's children not more senior than grandchildren?

Because that’s not how it works. The crown passes to the oldest child and then their children. Otherwise it would be like a game of badminton. Charles dies and it goes to Anne. Anne dies it goes to andrew, then Edward. Then what would happen after Edward? Would it go to Charles children or edwards?

[JustLyra]

Counsellors of State don't have to be full time royals.

They are only used in certain circumstances so they don't need to be available full time. There have been CoS's who have not been active working royals - especially in the years when the Queen, her sister and cousins were young.

Beatrice (and Eugenie) can be a CoS without being full time royal.

Charles' plan to slim down has hit a major bump because of the loss of Andrew, Harry and Meghan. That's roughtly 900 engagements a year down, possibly more, so it is a big loss that will need covered.
I think if the York girls belonged to Edward then they'd likely do more, but they won't change it because of the association with their father imo.

The saving grace for Charles' plan is that Edward and Sophie are so much younger than Charles and Anne. They'll be the bridging ones until George, Charlotte and Louis are old enough - and if the royals are still doing the number of engagements they are then I think all three will be working royals. I think thats one of the reasons William is so pissed off about the situation - they'll all have to do it, and younger than planned. They'll not be able to live "normally" until their 30's like William and Harry.

[Samcro]

I do wonder if the public would be happy with the york woman being full time royals.
They might not have dine anything wrong, but i have a feeling they will always be tainted by who their dad is.

[JustLyra]

@ChristmasPlanning

This is a stupid question but I don't understand why Beatrice & Eugenia are closer to the throne than Edward & Anne?

Why aren't the queen's children not more senior than grandchildren?

There are two different things at play - the working royals and the line of succession.

Anne and Edward are senior working royals. They are more senior in terms of being working royals.

The line of succession goes from parent to child, then siblings. Just like Charles, Anne, Andrew and Edward were higher in the line when they were born than Princess Margaret, despite her being the King's daughter when the first two were born.

[Roussette]

The monarchy can’t function with only two full time working royals. It will barely be seen

Isn't that a good thing? Slimmed down monarchy please.

We know we didn't miss them during covid, let's make it C&C, W&K and that's IT.

[Chloemol]

My guess is they won’t do it as they are not working royals, they have jobs

They will probably adjust to allow Edward and Anne

[Serendip20]

Edward and Sophie will be very handy age-wise in a bridging role and my guess is that their children will be too. Louise especially is evidently very popular with the Queen and she will be at a very useful age when George, Charlotte and Louis won’t quite be old enough to do public duties. I can see Sophie’s children really coming into their own at some point, even if they aren’t higher in the official line.

[SickAndTiredAgain]

Would they even want to be working royals? They’re rich, married to rich men, I’m not sure whether they work but if they do it’s not scrutinised. They are photographed when out and about sometimes but not as much as they would be if they were “working” royals. Would they look at their cousin and his children and think “yeah, I want to do that” when they could just keep their wealthy life and not have the press and the public and the articles and the criticism etc. I wouldn’t want to do it. Which isn’t to say I feel sorry for the royals, I’m not saying poor them, just that the rich cousins married to rich men get the perks of royalty while still remaining relatively private. And able keep their children private as well.

[JustLyra]

The monarchy can’t function with only two full time working royals. It will barely be seen

They won't have just the two though - not with the age span. Edward (and Sophie) is 16 years younger than Charles and only 18 years older than William. With the way the royals work Edward and Sophie, at 57, have another 20 years of full time roles ahead of them by which point the Cambridge children will be 28, 26 and 23.
The big change with the slimmed down role is that when the Cambridge children are adults the number of older full-time royals will be short so I think they will all be full time royals, and younger than William and Harry were.

To be Counsellors of State the York girls don't have to be anymore public than they are now. They do things like attend the Maunday services with their Grandmother. They're not working royals, but they do odd things sometimes.

They will probably adjust to allow Edward and Anne

I think that's the last thing they'll do. There's a reason Harry and Andrew are "not using" their HRH's rather than having it removed, and it's the same reason the Sussex and York titles won't, imo, be removed - the last thing the royal family want to do is highlight to people that changes can be made relatively easily because they know that they might be the one that people don't like one day (imagine the clamour for Charles to step down back when he married Camilla if there was more of a precedent for it than just the abdication?!).

[Cuck00soup]

If the monarchy survives, it will very much be in a slimmed down version. The Queen’s cousins, people like Princess Alexandra - who most people would struggle to name, never mind recognise - carry out a lot of the lower profile activities (I’m reluctant to call it work).

I think the demand for royals will decline too. Charities already know that celebrity patrons can raise their profile better than minor royals.

[upinaballoon]

@Samcro

I do wonder if the public would be happy with the york woman being full time royals.
They might not have dine anything wrong, but i have a feeling they will always be tainted by who their dad is.

I wish people wouldn't taint children with the sins of their fathers and mothers. I know it happens, but it is so unfair for any person in any family to be judged according to the behaviour of the others.

[Samcro]

its the way it is. same way people with famous parents get a leg up, it also works the other way. sad but true.

[Maireas]

@Samcro

its the way it is. same way people with famous parents get a leg up, it also works the other way. sad but true.

Yes. Also they should not make comments indicating that they support him.