Prince Andrew Thread 3

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Here is the previous thread...

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I’m quite looking forward to the book he’ll write to make up the hole in his finances

Oh god, don't even go there Mumsnut - haven't there been enough of the blasted things??

Then again, with Sarah co-authoring it as she surely would, it would doubtless be a bestseller

Bodger the little helicopter
Bodger goes Tramping
Bodger goes to Woking
Bodger goes to the park
Bodger goes to the sweat doctor
Bodger goes upstairs at his mate’s house.

Then again, with Sarah co-authoring it as she surely would, it would doubtless be a bestseller

I'm laughing at this. They could float about the 80 acres at Royal Park, SF could do her usual thing of dressing like an 1800s member of the RF, as could A. He could do Henry V111 dress up.

She did this to promote her Mills & Boon so really quite possible!

@prh47bridge

Just to add, this is the same principle that meant Diana became Diana, Princess of Wales after her divorce from Charles.

Which is why it always seems so odd to me that the Duchess of Sussex uses 'Meghan, Duchess of Sussex' now. It's the divorcee, ex-duchess way she would be referred to.

I fully expect Sarah to continue to be known as 'Fergie' for the rest of her life, whatever her official title may be.

I do think Epstein deliberately groomed Andrew into being the Royal Beard that would make his gatherings seem respectable. Andrew I suspect despite his arrogance has been a little lost for much of his life and was a sucker for the flattery. I believe him when he said he never knew what was going on at the time.
Where he entered morally murky waters was when he continued with the “friendship” despite knowing about Epstein’s conviction.

Counsellors of State have only existed since 1911. As far as I am aware, there have been no dramatic interventions (unless you count dissolving parliament in 1974).

Thanks for your longer reply on this @prh47bridge. Confirms what I suspected, that Counsellors of State do very little indeed and have no power to do anything of substance. They can only dissolve parliament, even, if the monarch agrees but is physically absent so unable to do so themselves. I think any worries about Andrew's presence in this role are unfounded since it clearly doesn't mean anything. If the Queen is alive but incapable of acting, at any point, Charles will. End of issue.

Which is why it always seems so odd to me that the Duchess of Sussex uses 'Meghan, Duchess of Sussex' now. It's the divorcee, ex-duchess way she would be referred to

Does she? The one I've seen is The Duchess of Sussex (the The being an important bit!). And it's what she calls herself on the Archewell website

@Skiptheheartsandflowers

Counsellors of State have only existed since 1911. As far as I am aware, there have been no dramatic interventions (unless you count dissolving parliament in 1974).

Thanks for your longer reply on this @prh47bridge. Confirms what I suspected, that Counsellors of State do very little indeed and have no power to do anything of substance. They can only dissolve parliament, even, if the monarch agrees but is physically absent so unable to do so themselves. I think any worries about Andrew's presence in this role are unfounded since it clearly doesn't mean anything. If the Queen is alive but incapable of acting, at any point, Charles will. End of issue.

Charles would becone a Prince Regent if the Queen were incapacitated.

If in a half retirement, there are some duties which only a Counsellor of State could do - I'm thinking if all the diplomatic stuff (formal recognition of Ambassadors etc) and formalising certain other appointments

@EdithWeston

Which is why it always seems so odd to me that the Duchess of Sussex uses 'Meghan, Duchess of Sussex' now. It's the divorcee, ex-duchess way she would be referred to

Does she? The one I've seen is The Duchess of Sussex (the The being an important bit!). And it's what she calls herself on the Archewell website

Ah, I haven't looked closely at the Archewell site. I am going on what I see in media reports, probably from the US, which is maybe down to them not knowing or not realising why it would be different from Fergie's title. But this may be considered derailing the Andrew thread so I'll stop there.

I think Andrew’s friends’ comparison to Profumo was about his future rehabilitation into aristocratic social circles where the standards of morality are rather different. After a decent length of time the sin of being found out can be overlooked.

I doubt he’s concerned in the slightest about what the little nobodies of the country think of him. Why on earth would he?

Charles and the Queen might care a little bit more as theirs are the heads more likely to roll if the mob rises. I always thought that putting the children out to walk behind their mother’s coffin showed an astute familiarity with historical events.

The boys were put out to walk behind their mother's coffin, to stop people from throwing things at the family. There were worries tomatoes or eggs might have been thrown.

@AllThePogs

The boys were put out to walk behind their mother's coffin, to stop people from throwing things at the family. There were worries tomatoes or eggs might have been thrown.

What utter bloody nonsense. The stuff people come out with on MN sometimes blows my mind.

When the mob people are on the streets in those sorts of numbers, it’s not eggs and tomatoes that they worry about.

Which is why it always seems so odd to me that the Duchess of Sussex uses 'Meghan, Duchess of Sussex' now. It's the divorcee, ex-duchess way she would be referred to.

It's the same with the Cambridge children having Catherine, HRH The Duchess of Cambridge, on their birth certificates. It should be just HRH The Duchess of Cambridge, as Diana was HRH The Princess of Wales on William and Harry's and how Archie's corrected cert has HRH The Duchess of Sussex.

In the ridiculous bid to pretend that William and Harry's wives weren't going to be princesses they end up using butchered titles. Which is just stupid. If you're going to use a title at least use it properly!

I just knew that Profumo would be resurrected to enable PA's rehabilitation. I was about to make a post the other evening.

I am a little concerned that the Fail is somehow plumbing my thoughts, having seen it on their website.

Shall we try this? Let PA go the way of Edward VIII and be sent off to exile in a discreet and distant location with just enough pension, reluctantly paid by HM, in exchange for a big, fat 50 year gag order.

The world’s a much smaller place than it was in 1936. Edward Vlll was given an actual job, what on earth could Andrew be asked to do?

In the ridiculous bid to pretend that William and Harry's wives weren't going to be princesses they end up using butchered titles

Well it was either what they've got or Princess William of Wales and Princess Harry of Sussex (same pattern applies to them as does to Princess Michael of Kent). And I think that would be rather worse

@Blossomtoes

The world’s a much smaller place than it was in 1936. Edward Vlll was given an actual job, what on earth could Andrew be asked to do?

I'd be tempted to make him Governor of the Falkland Islands, but it's probably not fair on the Islanders.

@Blossomtoes

The world’s a much smaller place than it was in 1936. Edward Vlll was given an actual job, what on earth could Andrew be asked to do?

Now, something like game keeper for one of the queens remoter homes.

Really not fair;
My DH has spent time on Falklands and Ascension and we've been to Tristan da Cunha (the most remote inhabited island in the world)... a British island, maybe that would do but knowing the islanders, I doubt they'd want him

@EdithWeston

In the ridiculous bid to pretend that William and Harry's wives weren't going to be princesses they end up using butchered titles

Well it was either what they've got or Princess William of Wales and Princess Harry of Sussex (same pattern applies to them as does to Princess Michael of Kent). And I think that would be rather worse

No that’s not what I meant. At the time of Williams marriage they stated that Kate wouldn’t be a princess. Not just that she’d be known as something else.

Instead of having HRH The Princess William, Duchess of Cambridge (which is the style of Sophie’s title on Louise’s birth certificate) or just HRH The Duchess of Cambridge (as Diana and Sarah are on their children’s) on the certificates they started messing around with it.

Just use the titles or don’t. Tweaking them to try and sound less grand just makes them incorrect and looks silly.

I can't find a copy of the Wessex certificates online, but it does sound as though they are the anomalous ones (when compared to Yorks, Cambridges and Sussexes)

Laura Richards hits the nail on the head, again

Oh yes. Never a truer word spoken, absolutely

@EdithWeston

I can't find a copy of the Wessex certificates online, but it does sound as though they are the anomalous ones (when compared to Yorks, Cambridges and Sussexes)

The Wessex’s are anomalous compared to the Wales and York certificates as they have used the full title instead of just the main one. However, they are more technically correct than the Cambridge or original Sussex certificate - they are totally different to any royal certificate I’ve ever seen.

It’s why it was so amusing that some of the papers were so snooty about the change (which they picked up on far more than the fact that Harry somehow didn’t notice that “Prince” was missing from his own name on the original) to Archie’s certificate. It was a altered to the correct styling.