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Prince Andrew Thread 3

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Roussette · 09/01/2022 19:25

Here is the previous thread...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_royal_family/4443261-Prince-Andrew-Thread-2?watched=1&msgid=114083283#114083283

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starlight13 · 12/01/2022 16:58

At last some good news! I hope VG drags that prince of sleaze through the dirt. He's a rapist and a racist - let's hope Meghan gets called upon to testify against him. It was PA who made the comments to her about Archie's skin colour.

SerendipityJane · 12/01/2022 16:58

@Ellie56

Who knew being the Queen's favourite son doesn't cut any ice in America?

Grin Grin

Or descendant of a tyrant ...
DeliriaSkibbly · 12/01/2022 16:59

@StormzyinaTCup

He sold the Ski Chalet just in time then Wink!
I wonder who's toe Sarah Ferguson will have to suck to get a free, luxury holiday now...
StormzyinaTCup · 12/01/2022 17:02

Not quite sure. A lot of talk of downhill slopes in relation to the Royal Family of late.

Talk of downhill slopes you say, I’d say more like completely off-pisteSmile

AllThePogs · 12/01/2022 17:06

@starlight13

At last some good news! I hope VG drags that prince of sleaze through the dirt. He's a rapist and a racist - let's hope Meghan gets called upon to testify against him. It was PA who made the comments to her about Archie's skin colour.
I think this is great news. But the rumours about racism do not hold Andrew responsible.
PlanktonsComputerWife · 12/01/2022 17:17

I thought that was a clear and well-organised judgment. Jarring in places, though. I knew the dirty duke's lawyers had sought to rely on the agreement between VG and paedophile JE, and that they had tried to challenge the constitutionality of the Child Victims Act (Confused), but I was still surprised unpleasantly by some of the other arguments the defence had advanced, especially that the risk of "false memories" was greater in cases where duress was alleged.

I know they are just doing their job, etc etc, but I don't think they are improving the duke's reputation with the arguments they are advancing on his behalf.

PlanktonsComputerWife · 12/01/2022 17:19

It was PA who made the comments to her about Archie's skin colour.

That makes PA the fifth royal I have seen those comments attributed to!

AllThePogs · 12/01/2022 17:20

The RF officially said it was Anne I thought?
But they will probably now attribute it to Andrew. After all since his situation is exploding, it makes sense PR wise to attribute any negative rumours to him.

AllThePogs · 12/01/2022 17:21

@PlanktonsComputerWife

It was PA who made the comments to her about Archie's skin colour.

That makes PA the fifth royal I have seen those comments attributed to!

Or maybe all five of them have said something racist??
upinaballoon · 12/01/2022 17:22

@Ellie56

Who knew being the Queen's favourite son doesn't cut any ice in America?

Grin Grin

What proper proof has there ever been that he's her favourite? Where did that start? Did a journalist dream it up about 40 years ago?
DeliriaSkibbly · 12/01/2022 17:23

@PlanktonsComputerWife

I thought that was a clear and well-organised judgment. Jarring in places, though. I knew the dirty duke's lawyers had sought to rely on the agreement between VG and paedophile JE, and that they had tried to challenge the constitutionality of the Child Victims Act (Confused), but I was still surprised unpleasantly by some of the other arguments the defence had advanced, especially that the risk of "false memories" was greater in cases where duress was alleged.

I know they are just doing their job, etc etc, but I don't think they are improving the duke's reputation with the arguments they are advancing on his behalf.

Remember, though, that lawyers act on Client instruction.

It may well be that they advised him differently and he told them "No, this is what I want you to do". They can only do the best they can do within those constraints and this is likely it.

He would be best advised to settle, but as has been said before, that is unlikely to be an option on the table now, if it ever was.

PlanktonsComputerWife · 12/01/2022 17:45

True! And I am sure the lawyers were delighted to have the brainpower of Andrew and Sarah Ferguson assisting them.

BlackAlys · 12/01/2022 17:53

@Vapeyvapevape

I wonder what prompted her maj to remove diplomatic immunity?
I'm thinking the exact same thing.
AllThePogs · 12/01/2022 17:58

Charles has taken over many of her duties. Do you think he did it in her name?

AllThePogs · 12/01/2022 18:00

@PlanktonsComputerWife

True! And I am sure the lawyers were delighted to have the brainpower of Andrew and Sarah Ferguson assisting them.
That made me laugh.
BobbieMarkowe · 12/01/2022 18:00

I’m not altogether hopeful that VG will win the case but regardless of the outcome it helps to change the narrative.

I’m sure I’m not the only person here who had things happen in their teens and didn’t grasp how wrong the situation was until much later?

The law, and our culture are very muddy on consent. You can put numbers on it, you can dissect what she said or didn’t say etc but as a middle aged woman I recognise that I think very, very differently now than I did as a teenager. And I know that a middle aged man taking advantage of a teen in any circumstances is grim.

They can phwoar all they like, and nudge and wink about “liking em young” but cases like these shine a light. They make it that little bit more difficult for men to close ranks like they’ve traditionally done.

I think she’s incredibly brave to do this.

SerendipityJane · 12/01/2022 18:05

@AllThePogs

Charles has taken over many of her duties. Do you think he did it in her name?
I repeat my point from before. With nobs on.

The Queen/Monarch has no fucking business doing anything that is a function of government without the advice of her government.

If she really has been withdrawing diplomatic immunity on her own say-so, then we have hit a bigger scandal than anyone could ever have imagined.

I don't know much US law. I do know how many times I have been told the UK monarch has "no power" so it's OK to carry on with them.

As we (well I always suspected it) this is a crock of the highest order.

God I miss Tam Dayall.

DeliriaSkibbly · 12/01/2022 18:05

@AllThePogs

Charles has taken over many of her duties. Do you think he did it in her name?
I think the Queen was between a rock and a hard place. She probably saw that if diplomatic immunity was not revoked for Andrew, the whole question of diplomatic immunity for the Royal Family would be called into question. She also realised that revoking it was, largely, gestural because the case in the US is civil and there is currently no danger of extradition. If Andrew stays in the UK then he has a sort of de facto immunity.

What I think is going to be interesting is that disclosure is going to happen now. So Ms Giuffre's lawyers are going to be demanding documents from Andrew. They've already been told that there is no medical documentation about his inability to sweat and no corroborating evidence for the supposed trip to Pizza Express.

Ms Giuffre's lawyers will have a field day in court with both of these - and both of these are fairly big lynch-pins in Andrew's case. An alibi is not an alibi unless you have proof. Similarly, his claim that he couldn't sweat, so her story must be untrue falls apart. Which then leads to the question of why he hasn't rebutted her story in any other way ? Why rely on something that is so flimsy ? The obvious answer is that he has nothing else to rely on, but I'd be willing to entertain other ideas...

You can see why things are looking really shaky for him now and also, I think, it's obvious why he's trying to get the case thrown out on technicalities. It's because he hasn't got anything else...

SerendipityJane · 12/01/2022 18:09

I think the Queen was between a rock and a hard place. She probably saw that if diplomatic immunity was not revoked for Andrew, the whole question of diplomatic immunity for the Royal Family would be called into question

Too fucking late.

As Head of State I have no problem with her Madge having diplomatic immunity. It's pretty much the global norm.

But it it turns out she has been able to wave her regal sceptre and bestow it - without oversight of elected politicians - upon whomsoever she feels like ....

Once again, we are subjects not citizens.

Roussette · 12/01/2022 18:11

@BobbieMarkowe

Great post, so agree with lots you posted.

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SpindleyCrow · 12/01/2022 18:24

@BelleHathor

Hmm, diplomatic immunity removed. Interesting perhaps we'll get to find out who Ms Maxwell was convicted of trafficking these girls to. So happy for all the victims. Finally.
That's a good point. Who were each of the witnesses in the Maxwell trial trafficked to? Is there a list of names? Were the names tested evidence?
Malibuismysecrethome · 12/01/2022 18:35

Just thinking that if it goes to trial and VG gets awarded several millions is there any way of enforcing the damages as it’s an American Civil Court Case. PA resides in the UK.

Maireas · 12/01/2022 18:55

Well. Things are looking up. He's going to have to start answering questions now.
Any witnesses to place him at Woking Pizza Express, dining sweat free?.

meditrina · 12/01/2022 18:58

Diplomatic immunity is conferred by governments, to accredited diplomats, heads of state etc.

The British government can request it, and it is for the foreign government to endorse it (issuing diplomatic visa or accepting entry on a diplomatic passport)

If someone with immunity is accused of committing an offence, the the foreign governmen can request the sending government revoked the immunity and the person is prosecuted according to the laws of the foreign country or they can declare them "persona non grata" and expel them from the country

The British government routinely waives diplomatic immunity for actions that were not part of the person's official duties.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/01/2022 19:04

Please does anyone have a link about the Queen rescinding his diplomatic immunity?
I'd read some debate as to whether he actually had it, but hadn't heard about it being scrapped, no matter by who

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