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The royal family

BBC The Princes and the Press

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coniferforest · 23/11/2021 09:24

Did anyone watch this last night? About William and Harry and their different approaches to the press. Last night was part 1 of 2.

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derxa · 02/12/2021 18:43

Good to hear derxa Aye but I still don't like her.

Viviennemary · 02/12/2021 18:46

I think they will apeal. I hope they do. And what hypocrisy from her after their trashing of the royals on Oprah. Totally no self awareness whatsoever.,

Aspiringmatriarch · 02/12/2021 18:52

What nonsense Viviennemary.

Roussette · 02/12/2021 18:56

Aye but I still don't like her

I'd never have guessed lol.

Viv you are way off course with that comment. I have no idea what self awareness has to do with it. The OW interview is nothing to do with this.

I think they have no choice but to drop it. Do the RF really want Knauf in court being asked who agreed that he could drop his NDA and pass this information on?

But of course it's not the RF's decision, or is it...

Viviennemary · 02/12/2021 19:01

Of course the Oprah interview is relevant. They caused distress by revealing family disagreements and airing family grievances to an international audience which probably reached far more people than the DM.

Roussette · 02/12/2021 19:06

Nope.
The DM , there's a US version
It's nothing to do with the OW interview, it's charges to do with privacy and copyright.

Snog · 02/12/2021 19:14

I found it grating that Meghan declared ""This is a victory not just for me, but for anyone who has ever felt scared to stand up for what's right,"
I'd say it's a victory for people with unusually vast legal resources that most people simply do not have.

Toomanyscentedcandles · 02/12/2021 19:20

@Snog

I found it grating that Meghan declared ""This is a victory not just for me, but for anyone who has ever felt scared to stand up for what's right," I'd say it's a victory for people with unusually vast legal resources that most people simply do not have.
Absolutely right.
SueSaid · 02/12/2021 19:24

@Viviennemary

Of course the Oprah interview is relevant. They caused distress by revealing family disagreements and airing family grievances to an international audience which probably reached far more people than the DM.
Exactly.

Not relevant to this court case, private letters should remain private no matter what misinformation other people are spreading apparently but very relevant to to whole tawdry saga, revealing exactly how the Sussexes are very happy to dish it but not obviously take it.

Bunnyfuller · 02/12/2021 19:27

She’s not a princess. They stepped back.

Toomanyscentedcandles · 02/12/2021 19:29

The word is Princes. It started off being about Harry and William.

Viviennemary · 02/12/2021 19:32

It was her reply that I found nauseatingly hypocritical after the trouble and hurt she has caused in the royal family and the distress to her own family.

HeddaGarbled · 02/12/2021 19:38

The word is Princes. It started off being about Harry and William

That’s a very good point. Going back to the BBC programme, the presenter has just apologised for historical anti-Royal statements from when he was a newspaper journalist.

Also, has the mooted podcast been shelved?

Maireas · 02/12/2021 19:49

@Bunnyfuller

She’s not a princess. They stepped back.
She is a princess, by marriage. She's just not using the HRH styling by agreement.
prh47bridge · 02/12/2021 19:51

@Roussette

I think it's going to be interesting whether they take this to the SC. Part of me thinks they will, they will hate apologising to Meghan on the front page. And of course, stringing this out is more clicks but the fact MM is not seeking damages but 'an account of profits' rather puts paid to that if they lose yet again.

However, I don't think they can appeal the outcome as such, just appeal against a point of law.

I imagine W&K just want this all to go away now.

They are talking about doing so. If they do, they will again be appealing against the original judge's decision to enter summary judgement without going to a full trial. As with this appeal, they would be arguing that the original judge was wrong to enter summary judgement - they listed 6 reasons they thought the judge's reasoning was legally flawed. Of course, in the Supreme Court they would also have to persuade the court that the Court of Appeal was wrong in deciding that the original judge was right. I don't give much for their chances.
PreparationPreparationPrep · 02/12/2021 19:52

@Snog

I found it grating that Meghan declared ""This is a victory not just for me, but for anyone who has ever felt scared to stand up for what's right," I'd say it's a victory for people with unusually vast legal resources that most people simply do not have.
No it's n it just about resources - you could say that from the other side as in thenDF - they both had resources - the differences is she stood up to them where others would have cowed away even if they had tthe money - hopefully the newspapers will now think twice. the most important is that it tells the newspapers on no uncertain terms that what they did was wrong so this has opened the gates and anything it gives others confidence to take action if this ever happens again.
PreparationPreparationPrep · 02/12/2021 19:53

Sorry hope you can work that out - I'm using my phone Smile

Nishkin · 02/12/2021 20:03

@PreparationPreparationPrep perfectly clear- punitive damages might affect the press approach in the future

BeckyWithTheAverageHair · 02/12/2021 20:27

@Viviennemary

It was her reply that I found nauseatingly hypocritical after the trouble and hurt she has caused in the royal family and the distress to her own family.
You don't even know her family or what the history there is 🙄
SickAndTiredAgain · 02/12/2021 20:28

In the article I linked, the misleading or forgetting or whatever you call it, was not a part of the case at all, i.e. irrelevant.

I actually agree with Janiie that the relevance to the court case isn’t important when talking about whether it’s damaged Meghan’s reputation.

However, I don’t think it particularly has damaged her reputation because I’m not sure most people are fussed enough. I’ll comment on these threads because I find the RF as a whole interesting, but no one in my life has any strong opinion either way on Meghan, and probably only a passing awareness of what she apologised for anyway. I think most people I know probably have a generally positive view of her, but only in a vague way, like other celebrities you aren’t a big fan of but also have no reason to dislike.
I feel similarly about William - people on here say this has damaged his reputation because he must have approved it but again I don’t think anyone I know cares either way what William does or doesn’t do, and wouldn’t have spent enough time paying attention to this story to notice that particular element of it. I’d guess that most people I know would vote to abolish the monarchy if the vote came up, but don’t feel strongly enough about it to take much notice generally.
Are the people I know unusual in that regard? I’m in my 20s (just) so maybe this apathy towards the RF is stronger (can you have strong apathy, or is that an oxymoron?) in younger people?

SickAndTiredAgain · 02/12/2021 20:32

@PreparationPreparationPrep

They have to pay recompense for all the profit from extra clicks from this story...

Apparently this is unprecedented! This is a victory as now opens the gate
For similar cases - and maybe newspapers will be more careful in future. That's what we all need to remember.

the profit they make is unimaginable as it also feeds into advertising and the clicks and subsequent purchases on the ads.

I thought the recompense bit hadn’t been decided yet, that’s just what she was asking for? So it would be unprecedented, is she likely she is to get an unprecedented decision here?
givethatbabyaname · 02/12/2021 21:01

In the equation of privacy versus freedom of expression, I worry that in the UK the balance weighs too heavily in favor of privacy. The UK is known for its favorable privacy laws in the Anglo-Saxon world, one of a few reasons why England is home to a disproportionate number of obscenely rich, famous and not-so-famous individuals from all over the world.

This particular case is tittle tattle and doesn't much concern anyone beyond the parties to the case (despite any high falutin, trail blazing claims by MM). There are many, much more significant instances where proper investigative reporting of issues of greater public interest than celebrity gossip might be affected by a precedent of this sort. Instances involving politics, business, the military and national security figures, and the Church. Or, the Royal Family and its dealings.

It's a balancing act. In this case, there was a narrow question for the Court of Appeal to address, and imo they reached the correct answer. The DM was interested only in the revelations about MM that the appeal process allowed them, and that they got. (You lie with dogs, you get fleas.) MM asserted that although the letter could have been leaked and so was drafted by her accordingly, it wasn't drafted in order to be leaked (and no evidence was produced to the contrary). This was key. The printing of the letter was an invasion of her privacy. If the DM wanted to disprove whatever it was (I've never read the letter or the assertions it was printed to deny, I don't know what the actual gossip was), they didn't need to print everything they did. A paragraph or so could have sufficed. In this case, the DM crossed the line (knowingly, imo.They have a war chest for such cases and MM was their target from the moment she started playing them at their game). But the bottom line is that MM knew it was a dirty game, and she went into battle forearmed. In my book, they're as bad as each other and neither is the winner or the loser here. As ever, the lawyers won.

But there will be instances where the individual facing the press won't come to battle tooled up, or will come to battle with more tools than any media group could be expected to commit resources to. There is such little negative reporting of the RF and of the individuals in it that one can't help but wonder. MM may think she's won with this judgement - she has. But if her ultimate aim is to show the RF for what it is, warts and all, I wonder if she hasn't just scored an own goal by handing Charles, William, Andrew or whoever else's turn is next, a privacy precedent on a plate.

Roussette · 02/12/2021 21:23

That's an interesting post Give that Smile

OverByYer · 02/12/2021 21:49

Yes @givethatbabyaname probably the best post I have read on this whole thread