BBC The Princes and the Press

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Did anyone watch this last night? About William and Harry and their different approaches to the press. Last night was part 1 of 2.

From what I've read Janiie not at all. In the article I linked, the misleading or forgetting or whatever you call it, was not a part of the case at all, i.e. irrelevant. So whilst non-fans might feel their reputation has been damaged, others don't.

Regarding the duchess’ apology, the judge added: “This was, at best, an unfortunate lapse of memory on her part, but it does not seem to me to bear on the issues raised in the grounds of appeal, and it has been given no prominence in ANL’s oral argument.”

I haven't read the whole thread.

Firstly, I can see some discussion as to whether the Mail has broken the law. It has, on this judgement, clearly broken the law on copyright and privacy. However, it has not committed a criminal offence. (To qualify that slightly, the breach of copyright may be a criminal offence, but it is highly unlikely to be dealt with as such.)

The revelation that Meghan had known about members of her staff co-operating with the book was fascinating for the press but entirely irrelevant for this case. The book came after the Mail's articles were published, so can have no bearing on either the copyright or the privacy claims. Also, the extent of publication in the book was not enough to support the Mail's case even if the book had been published first. The judgement is clear that both this and the new evidence about the drafting of the letter were considered but were not of any important relevance to the appeal.

The Court of Appeal's position is the same as that of the original judge - it might have been appropriate to publish a small part of the letter but not half of it.

I agree rubics they did not expect her to fight back. This reflects badly on the RF, particularly William, he after all has sent his staff (JK) out to reveal texts and emails to fight this.

Yes I understand the forgetting wasn't part of the case so irrelevant, my point was we now know about it so it does confirm what most of us knew.

They found the letter should have stayed private, fine that's a legal decision. But as I say all the other crap that came out while not relevant to the case confirms recollections have indeed varied.

What most of us knew, in what respect? I presume you mean the worst.

Anyway... this I found interesting and agree...

"The Mail's tactic in the #meghan case was always to pretend, in public, that it was the Duchess who was on trial. She never was. It was the Mail that was required to defend what it had done, and it simply could not.

She has won resoundingly at every stage. A High Court judge who the Mail almost certainly believed would be sympathy to its case gave victory to the Duchess in February without even holding a trial.

and now three very senior judges at the Court of Appeal have thrown out the Mail's case again. To add insult to injury they said that yes, the Mail could have its 'new evidence', but then they explained that the new evidence changed nothing"

'What most of us knew, in what respect? '

That they colluded in Finding Freedom Ths Revenge despite claiming not to. You see once people have been proven repeatedly to vary with their recollections them anything they say will be questioned.

So let's keep some perspective, the judges agreed the letter should have stayed private. I don't think it's quite the victory you think it is.

@JaniieJones

Yes a legal win about private letter but what has been unearthed regarding colluding with scobie and then 'forgetting' about it has damaged their reputation irrevocably.

Those who don't like M would have continued the same even if this had not come out. If she had lost they would have just added more to their gripes. There is an air around it as well as from the RF - "something like who does she think she is"I think the fact is she won the court case is more likely to stick in people s minds, because the RF have kept schtum all this time . Even a PP said below she is clever but not as clever as she thinks she is I know - but presumably translates to who does she think she is?

You carry on questioning Janiie. Your prerogative.

Why is not a victory? Can you explain why?

Assoc.News have to print an apology front page and inside. They have to pay recompense for all the profit from extra clicks from this story... but that's not a victory... okay.....

So let's keep some perspective, the judges agreed the letter should have stayed private. I don't think it's quite the victory you think it is.

But they also said the emails and her apology had no bearing - so it sounds like a resounding victory to me. As she said it's a privacy case which affects everyone including all the people who think they should keep quiet about any intrusion and abuse the papers give.

'Why is not a victory? Can you explain why?'

Well, as I've said what was divulged while not credible to the case has proven their recollections do vary so their credibility is fucked tbh.

The letter should have stayed private according to the judges, the other forgetting stuff not relevant. Fine.

The royal family needs a new PR team. The pre-empting and rushing in to try and disprove or discredit meghan is now unbecoming. They will start to look silly. I bet the next case will be the Bullying

'But they also said the emails and her apology had no bearing'

Yes! No bearing to their court case. Just to their reputation..

Yes Prep Agree.

There was a poster on MN recently who, whilst not being that keen on MM, was really pleased that she was challenging the DM. She had a horrendous story to tell where they breached privacy and it had affected her a lot. She tried to take them to task, they didn't care.

This is a win for everyone as MM says.

Assoc.News have to print an apology front page and inside. They have to pay recompense for all the profit from extra clicks from this story... but that's not a victory... okay.....

Exactly! And on appeal to. I mean was it not a victory for some when ANL won their permission to appeal?

I am sure they will now take it to the next stage as they know Meghan generates enough money for them to gamble it even if they lose at high court. But by now I hope more people have the sense to see their game.

Just to their reputation as far as you and a few others are concerned Janiie.

They have to pay recompense for all the profit from extra clicks from this story...

Apparently this is unprecedented! This is a victory as now opens the gate
For similar cases - and maybe newspapers will be more careful in future. That's what we all need to remember.

the profit they make is unimaginable as it also feeds into advertising and the clicks and subsequent purchases on the ads.

They might well take it to the next stage but it reflects badly on the RF so maybe they might decide not to and hope the DM take notice! After all, isn't Knauf still employed by them, and is William's right hand man?

I wonder how Piers and DanW are coping today.... Piers has tweeted something horrible about it, but I can't see it as he blocks everyone who disagrees with him. And that's me!

'Apparently this is unprecedented! This is a victory as now opens the gate For similar cases - and maybe newspapers will be more careful in future'

Yes I doubt any will print private letters in future, I'm not sure how it ever got past their own lawyers tbh.

That said the 'victory' is regarding printing private letters, which I agree shouldn't have happened to that extent. Markle Senior should have just said the trashy US gossip magazine article wasn't accurate and left it at that.

However while the Sussexes 'forgetting' stuff is not legally relevant it does prove that they vary their recollections, no?

I imagine this recollections stuff applies to everyone. I wish I could find what I read this morning about the book and the feedback about that.

I agree about being incredulous that it got past their lawyers. She was still in the RF at the time so I presume they thought she couldn't fight back.

Roussette
I wonder how Piers and DanW are coping today.... Piers has tweeted something horrible about it, but I can't see it as he blocks everyone who disagrees with him. And that's me!

I'll tell you, if you really want to know.
But it might be best if I don't.
To be honest, reading Piers tweet has added the sum total of bollocks all value to my life.

Best I don't know I think. He's a tool.

Forgetting irrelevant 8 irrelevant emails from over 4 months from 2year ago when you have thousands of correspondence is something most people will understand.

Going back to court to submit irrelevant information on a case your sister in law won, in the hopes that they lose is this time is what will stick to people's minds.
This is not even passive aggressive, its outright

Pettiness and jealousy can make you do stupid things.

Not only has William exposed himself, he also lost.
It was a stupid gamble.

If the Fall had won and this went to trial, MM's legal team would have wanted to prove that in essence anyone who gives a brief to the comms team in response is intact 'colluding' with the writers. They could then ask if William has 'colluded' with either FF or other publications. If he was asked about something and he wanted to make sure it was clarified, his emails with JK would have also come out and it would have been concluded that he colluded with them too. I have a feeling that William would not like the emails to come out of what he has briefed the likes of Richard Kay and Camilla T.

He did not think this through and it blew up in his face, but it could have been much worse.

@JaniieJones

'What most of us knew, in what respect? '

That they colluded in Finding Freedom Ths Revenge despite claiming not to. You see once people have been proven repeatedly to vary with their recollections them anything they say will be questioned.

So let's keep some perspective, the judges agreed the letter should have stayed private. I don't think it's quite the victory you think it is.

Does that apply to the rest of the RF? There are an awful lots of lies being stated all the time as far as I can see.

I think it's going to be interesting whether they take this to the SC. Part of me thinks they will, they will hate apologising to Meghan on the front page. And of course, stringing this out is more clicks but the fact MM is not seeking damages but 'an account of profits' rather puts paid to that if they lose yet again.

However, I don't think they can appeal the outcome as such, just appeal against a point of law.

I imagine W&K just want this all to go away now.