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No honour amongst thieves - remember that saying?

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Why2why · 05/11/2021 18:35

In time we will understand the full scale and fallout of this organised effort to stop Harry marrying Meghan.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6291333001

Eventually, Thomas will be a liability to them because in his quest for money he will sell everything and everyone. If someone can sell out on their own daughter, ain’t no one who will be safe.

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minou123 · 05/11/2021 18:45

If I've read that right, he is suing because

  1. He was meant to get "approval" before the pictures were released
  2. He hasn't been paid the full amount he was promised.

For staged photos........

He really is somethin, isnt he?

BadgerB · 06/11/2021 15:19

Like father. like daughter...

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Why2why · 06/11/2021 15:24

@BadgerB

Like father. like daughter...
How? Please explain the similarities.
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Theunamedcat · 06/11/2021 15:30

Well he did a job and should be appropriately compensated for it you don't get to enter a contract wait for the other party to fulfil there side and then think actually no im not going to abide by it or pay for it

That's just taking it at face value everything he says is accurate

Personally I'm not surprised she has cut him off

roarfeckingroarr · 06/11/2021 16:21

Both money grabbing fools with zero class

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Why2why · 06/11/2021 17:43

@roarfeckingroarr

Both money grabbing fools with zero class
What do you mean? You’re not making any sense.
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Roussette · 06/11/2021 20:21

Everything TM does says everything about him we need to know.

He lied to her about speaking to the Press before the wedding.

He leaked parts of her letter to the Press
He promised to do an interview every 30 days if M doesn't contact him.

Lovely Hmm

PurpleOkapi · 06/11/2021 23:13

If one parent of one spouse publicly embarrassing themself is an "organised attempt" to stop the couple from marrying, then half the couples on this Earth are the victim of such attempts.

You're absolutely correct, though, that if TM were being paid by some organised conspiracy, he'd surely have sold them out by now. Exactly how long does he have to refrain from doing so before you'll concede that no such conspiracy exists? It's been several years already. One more year? Two? Five? Ten? Forever, because your own certainty is all the proof anyone should need?

HollowTalk · 06/11/2021 23:20

@BadgerB

Like father. like daughter...
That's a pretty horrible thing to say when she doesn't want anything to do with her father.
Roussette · 07/11/2021 07:22

If one parent of one spouse publicly embarrassing themself is an "organised attempt" to stop the couple from marrying, then half the couples on this Earth are the victim of such attempts

What?

I have no idea whatsoever you are trying to say here.

You're absolutely correct, though, that if TM were being paid by some organised conspiracy, he'd surely have sold them out by now

He's being paid continually for interviews. he's selling them out all the time, he is suing after saying he had a contract with a photo agency from before they were married.

rubicscubicle · 07/11/2021 14:12

I have no idea what that poster is referring to either @Roussette.

TM is cannot sell out the organisers when they are paying him though can he.

Here he is admitting that there was a conspiracy to stop the wedding. The Australian channel took it down. It was meant to be one of his rants against MM, but it backfired.

twitter.com/SereneJudith/status/1450412911206273027

Roussette · 07/11/2021 15:09

Interesting.

Further down that thread is this article, although published in March, it's worth a read.

bylinetimes.com/2021/03/11/meghan-and-harry-the-political-failure-of-the-monarchy/

PurpleOkapi · 07/11/2021 15:15

@Roussette

If one parent of one spouse publicly embarrassing themself is an "organised attempt" to stop the couple from marrying, then half the couples on this Earth are the victim of such attempts

What?

I have no idea whatsoever you are trying to say here.

You're absolutely correct, though, that if TM were being paid by some organised conspiracy, he'd surely have sold them out by now

He's being paid continually for interviews. he's selling them out all the time, he is suing after saying he had a contract with a photo agency from before they were married.

I'm referring to @Why2Why's factual assertion - with zero evidence - that TM's desire to make money was part of an "organised effort to stop Harry marrying Meghan" rather than just an individual effort to make money. And that eventually TM will be a liability to "them" (the other as-yet-unnamed players in this conspiracy) because he'll sell them out, too. Why he hasn't yet done so - supposing they actually exist, of course - remains unexplained. This is shortly the same poster's previous assertion - again, based on absolutely nothing - that those who criticize Meghan on Twitter are either bots or paid trolls.

When people make up factually-baseless nonsense about Meghan, this poster is always among the first to scream "RAAAAAACIIIIIIIIIIST!" so it's not as if they don't understand that dreaming up theories and then stating them as facts is wrong. But somehow, they think it's fine to do that to Meghan's critics. Or maybe it depends on the person's race - I don't know. Either way, there's a huge and possibly racist double standard here, and it's not the one they're always complaining about.

DarkDarkNight · 07/11/2021 15:26

I think whatever happened between Meghan and her father Thomas Markle has behaved terribly. He should have some dignity and shut the hell up.

However I firmly believe the whole Internet cafe/being measured for a wedding suit debacle was a set up by the British media. I think they were going to expose him from the start.

PurpleOkapi · 07/11/2021 15:36

[quote rubicscubicle]I have no idea what that poster is referring to either @Roussette.

TM is cannot sell out the organisers when they are paying him though can he.

Here he is admitting that there was a conspiracy to stop the wedding. The Australian channel took it down. It was meant to be one of his rants against MM, but it backfired.

twitter.com/SereneJudith/status/1450412911206273027[/quote]
He says "mess up the wedding," not "stop the wedding." The clip provides no additional context like what the plan was, why he believes it existed, or whether he believed that at the time. The clip cuts off very abruptly, probably because he expands on that in the next sentence and whatever he said isn't compatible with the agenda of whomever did the editing.

Roussette · 07/11/2021 15:56

Perhaps Purple you need to look at rubicscubicle link where TM himself says 'the whole thing was a plan to mess up the wedding, and I was part of it'. That makes your first paragraph null and void. But of course you won't believe anything that comes out of anyone's mouth if it actually means it's a point for (and not against) Meghan.

However I firmly believe the whole Internet cafe/being measured for a wedding suit debacle was a set up by the British media. I think they were going to expose him from the start

He was the one to hire a photographer to follow him around... going to a cafe and looking at tourist books of England, being measured for a suit etc. Now who talked him into doing this and whether it was off his own bat, who knows.

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Why2why · 07/11/2021 18:18

@PurpleOkapi can you explain what is racist double standards? But before you do, if you could explain racism then that would be a great start.

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Billandben444 · 07/11/2021 19:17

In time we will understand the full scale and fallout of this organised effort to stop Harry marrying Meghan.

OP, do you mean by her father? I don't understand.

Serenster · 08/11/2021 22:11

I don’t understand the train of thought here either.

Who wanted to stop the wedding? The Royal family? The ones who welcomed Meghan to joint events before the wedding, invited her to spend Christmas at Sandringham ( a first for a fiancé), walked her down the aisle, had her sitting with them at the Commonweath day service etc?

Why would Thomas Markle being papped preparing for the wedding mean that the wedding would be called off, even if he had organised it himself? Meghan did a cover spread for Vanity Fair under the banner “Wild About Harry” before her engagement, doubtless organised by herself and doubtless for some exchange fo value, and that clearly wasn’t an impediment to their engagement (and the public signs of support mentioned above).

Why was having an embarrassing father an issue so impactful that the wedding would be called off? Queen Maxima of the Netherland’s parents didn’t attend her wedding at all because of her father’s controversial past (far worse than arranging pap shots by the way!) but that didn’t impact that royal wedding.

Can someone please explain exactly why the Thomas Markle episode is such a big signifier of nefarious things behind the scenes? Because I don’t get it.

To me, and based on Meghan and Harry’s texts to him, they were embarrassed by his antics, which escalated to a full-blown standoff. That all seems a very personal dispute, however, and not one which would have impacted the wedding.

Roussette · 09/11/2021 07:08

Well... I'd be unhappy if my FIL had said that there was a plan to mess up my wedding and he was part of it. Wouldn't you?

To me, and based on Meghan and Harry’s texts to him, they were embarrassed by his antics, which escalated to a full-blown standoff

Well... I'd be embarrassed about his antics, wouldn't you? They reached out to him time and time again to try and make things work just days prior to the wedding.

Here are details of texts that have come from court papers in this article. How in god's name TM can be the good guy in this, I do not know. H&M moved heaven and earth to try and protect him from the media, to get him to the wedding, he refused all help. And was pissed off he wasn't making enough money on the back of them.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/20/prince-harry-pleaded-with-thomas-markle-on-eve-of-wedding-show-court-papers-meghan

SallyLockheart · 09/11/2021 07:50

Can I request clarity here. Who exactly is being accused of organising an effort to stop Harry and Meghan marrying? Thomas? Persons and organisations unknown?

Roussette · 09/11/2021 07:53

You tell me Sally. I am only posting details of text messages and a timeline showing how H&M tried to get TM to the wedding without drama.

Evelyn52 · 09/11/2021 07:54

I have no idea whether Meghan is playing a game or is genuine in everything that's happened but one thing I hope we all can agree on is that no girl or woman deserves a father like this. He's a vile, toxic man and Meghan has done right to cut him out of her lives, he must have hurt her immeasurably.

smilesy · 09/11/2021 08:12

I don’t understand the train of thought here either

I suspect that someone is trying to put forward a conspiracy theory, here and elsewhere….

Roussette · 09/11/2021 08:18

I'm not putting forward a conspiracy theory. I'm just repeating TM's words.

And showing a timeline.

However, it does make you wonder.