No honour amongst thieves - remember that saying?

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In time we will understand the full scale and fallout of this organised effort to stop Harry marrying Meghan.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6291333001

Eventually, Thomas will be a liability to them because in his quest for money he will sell everything and everyone. If someone can sell out on their own daughter, ain’t no one who will be safe.

I'm confused too about Thomas Markle's fluctuating credibility. I have seen pro Meghan posters say he is not to be trusted. So why is anyone paying attention to this, if everything he says is what he hopes will earn him money?

@DismantledKing

If we are going on interviews, just like Harry’s and Meghan’s interview with Oprah, perhaps it is his truth and how he does things where he comes from and there is not actually anything wrong or untrue about it?

If you’ve got no problem with obviously abusive men, just come out and say it.

Resorting to a straw man argument doesn’t work.

@Skiptheheartsandflowers

I'm confused too about Thomas Markle's fluctuating credibility. I have seen pro Meghan posters say he is not to be trusted. So why is anyone paying attention to this, if everything he says is what he hopes will earn him money?

Thomas (most likely with the influence of Samantha) is all about money. He will sell you out if you don't make the payment on time. He had been ignored by the media for quite a while, no doubt he will name names if they think they will just throw him away without payment.

Yes OP I get your play of words, NO honour among thieves. They eventually sell each other out.

Speaking of exposure, I wonder when the British Press will follow this obvious little trail. I guess the invisible contract will not allow it.

www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-private-messages-handed-over-prince-william-consent-palace-1651087?amp=1

kenyan.thepowersblogging.com/2021/11/19/prince-william-and-kate-middleton-authorized-an-aide-to-reveal-meghan-markles-private-messages-queen-elizabeth-iis-former-spokesperson-says/

Thank you @rubicscubicle

I wanted to link to this today but was reticent. What does this mean I say to myself...

I’ve found it in the Express @rubicscubicle

That wouldn’t come as a huge surprise to me tbh, I had cause to ponder this earlier in the week when I read an email from Harry to TM was redacted.

Unfortunately, it’s each Prince for themselves now.

[quote rubicscubicle]Yes OP I get your play of words, NO honour among thieves. They eventually sell each other out.

Speaking of exposure, I wonder when the British Press will follow this obvious little trail. I guess the invisible contract will not allow it.

www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-private-messages-handed-over-prince-william-consent-palace-1651087?amp=1

kenyan.thepowersblogging.com/2021/11/19/prince-william-and-kate-middleton-authorized-an-aide-to-reveal-meghan-markles-private-messages-queen-elizabeth-iis-former-spokesperson-says/[/quote]
Not a big deal in the context of don’t tell lies to the courts. If she hadn’t lied, there would have been no emails to be released contradicting her evidence.

MM showed her good memory for trivia on the Ellen show according to the headlines so it’s impossible to believe she forgot conversations and emails over a few months leaking stories to Scobie for his book.

At the end of the day lying in court is quite the faux par to make. If the article is to be believed William would have had two choices, a) approve the release of some of the texts or b) turn a blind eye to lying in court. Given his position (and future position) I don't think (b) is an option.

If he were to go for option (b) Harry has his book coming out next year and could quite easily drop PW in it (or for that matter anyone in the circle could blab if the price was right) that PW was in cahoots over lying in court and was complicit in covering it up.

William is playing the longer game which is something that is totally at odds with his brother. Just my little old opinion.

Also those press reports are speculation now being produced as fact- an ex-employee says William would have done that. Not a fact

@StormzyinaTCup

At the end of the day lying in court is quite the faux par to make. If the article is to be believed William would have had two choices, a) approve the release of some of the texts or b) turn a blind eye to lying in court. Given his position (and future position) I don't think (b) is an option.

If he were to go for option (b) Harry has his book coming out next year and could quite easily drop PW in it (or for that matter anyone in the circle could blab if the price was right) that PW was in cahoots over lying in court and was complicit in covering it up.

William is playing the longer game which is something that is totally at odds with his brother. Just my little old opinion.

Not only has the case gone on already and MM had won, this was digging back and involving himself in something that had nothing to do with the case nor Knauf or William.

William does not need to do anything, he was not subpoenaed, neither was JK.

No one would blame William for saying, the rules of the company (palace) are that the documents are private. Just the same as when the police try to search your house and you say, where is your warrant. So all he has to do is wait for the subpoena.

Here they chased down Meghan when they had nothing at all to do with the case and the information has nothing to do with the case.

What will happen now is that the information will be once again discounted as it was last time, and MM will win again. So this long game may well blow up in his face. As you say, then surely Harry, if he was going to hold back, cannot if his brother is going after them like this.

Also as you say, some of the messages. JK left out, some messages to make sure it's damaging to MM.

He sounds like such a twat. Poor Meghan! Why would anyone do any of this to their own kid? It beggars belief.

MM showed her good memory for trivia on the Ellen show according to the headlines so it’s impossible to believe she forgot conversations and emails over a few months leaking stories to Scobie for his book.

Ok, I think I first heard this from Angela Levin. It has to be the silliest thing ever.
Everyday for possibly years you do this routine in your car.

On the other hand you have 8 emails over 4 months, 2yrsr ago in thousands of emails that you have to recall. There are around 11 books on MM, never mind the articles and other books she is mentioned in. She is supposed to remember all of these.

@rubicscubicle in my role if I was aware of perjury and covered it up, I would be in serious trouble, also you do realise police can search houses without warrants in certain circumstances

William does not need to do anything, he was not subpoenaed, neither was JK.
No one would blame William for saying, the rules of the company (palace) are that the documents are private. Just the same as when the police try to search your house and you say, where is your warrant. So all he has to do is wait for the subpoena

Why would he wait to be subpoenaed? He probably wants this all over asap. Are the emails strictly private?, at the time of the 'bombshell' interview MM's friends claimed to have got copies/seen emails which they were at pains to say will be provided if need be (remains to be seen if they have, what they are), maybe they will reveal them at some point.

Also as you say, some of the messages. JK left out, some messages to make sure it's damaging to MM.

Yes, they will be damaging to MM because she was the one who lied(forgot) in court, there is just sufficient there to prove that without 'doing a Harry' (eg PW is 'trapped') and completely selling his brother up the river with the whole shooting match. He clearly thinks she is a troublemaker (he is entitled to his opinion having been in the middle of it all) but any allegiance that he has will be with his brother not his sister in law. He can't condone lying in court.

The palace has never volunteered any information in their whole set up ever. This is the first time. Never volunteered anything regarding Andrew, nor Charle's PA, nor about the young man who was raped by one of their staff. No one about any crimes that anyone has ever committed.

SO to say they cannot condone lying is disingenuous indeed. You can only do what William has done to your enemy.

The friends never revealed the emails either, but they would if subpoenaed, they have not, they have not volunteered the emails to anyone. I can only presume they will give them out if asked during this 'internal investigation'.

@rubicscubicle, You keep wanting to make this a RF v MM/PH standoff and everyone has to take sides, it's not as straightforward as that, family issues never are. Clearly you are anti monarchy, I'm no royalist and have no idea about what one of your examples is about (and I'm not talking about PA or PC advisor) but I would think you are sailing pretty close to the wind with that one so I'm not going to make further comment.

Not sure what you mean by 'sailing close to the wind'. What does that mean in this context? It sounds like a threat tbh, as it implies risking getting into trouble. Is that how you shut down people. I have never seen you post this with H&M threads.

There are articles and a talk show. All of which show valid reasons why it would be seen as William sending this out. As posted above :

• Company documents are confidential, cannot just be shared without permission of the boss
• MM had previously won, and KP documents were then volunteered when they had nothing to do with the case, and the case had moved on from the issue.
• The rf has never volunteered without being asked regarding any documents regarding any other issue they have faced wether in court or police enquiry. This is the first.
• The only other person I recall testifying, was against Charles, and he was an ex employee.

Not clear why you are happy to make all sorts of totally unfounded accusations against MM, but are now suddenly seeing problems with suspicions against the RF with reasonable suspicious evidence.

Not clear why you are happy to make all sorts of totally unfounded accusations against MM, but are now suddenly seeing problems with suspicions against the RF with reasonable suspicious evidence

Where's this 'reasonable suspicious evidence'? I'm not seeing it on this thread, just accusations presented as fact, as per usual. Post your evidence as links if you have it!

The 'evidence' is approaching the MoS and giving them a select number of emails to use against MM, on a case where you are not asked to present anything, and not only do you have nothing to do with it, but the messages themselves have nothing to do with the case/ the letter.

Er, lots of your assumptions above are questionable (e.g. 'nothing to do with you'). But also, you've made a whole raft of accusations above, not about this court case. Evidence?

I have already put down the facts. you are now trying to go around in circles. I wonder why?

@rubicscubicle

Not sure what you mean by 'sailing close to the wind'. What does that mean in this context? It sounds like a threat tbh, as it implies risking getting into trouble. Is that how you shut down people. I have never seen you post this with H&M threads.

There are articles and a talk show. All of which show valid reasons why it would be seen as William sending this out. As posted above :

• Company documents are confidential, cannot just be shared without permission of the boss
• MM had previously won, and KP documents were then volunteered when they had nothing to do with the case, and the case had moved on from the issue.
• The rf has never volunteered without being asked regarding any documents regarding any other issue they have faced wether in court or police enquiry. This is the first.
• The only other person I recall testifying, was against Charles, and he was an ex employee.

Not clear why you are happy to make all sorts of totally unfounded accusations against MM, but are now suddenly seeing problems with suspicions against the RF with reasonable suspicious evidence.

I’m not comfortable discussing something I know nothing about, it’s not a shut down tactic at all.

This thread is turning into quite something else, we have had accusations of RF lying about a rape and Thomas Markle being an abuser, and people have the temerity to pull me up on discussing MM and hypocrisy- you couldn’t make it up.

Not too sure if you are trying to pretend the rape never happened or what.

I think it's quite clear that people are saying TM is emotionally abusing with his blackmails of conducting interviews etc.

Not sure what is not too clear about any of this.

@rubicscubicle

I have already put down the facts. you are now trying to go around in circles. I wonder why?

No, you made a load of statements (with little detail in some instances, like the reference to a rape) and seem to think that equals ''the facts". It doesn't. It's your account and your interpretation of something. If you expect us all to accept anything you post as unquestionable fact, I'm afraid I want more than that, given your habit of writing posts on here that confidently state 'William did X...' as if you're stating fact when there's no way you could know that for sure. You clearly believe it, but I'm not convinced your posts show a knowledge of the difference between fact, belief and opinion.

Sources are what back up statements like this. You rarely provide those without being asked, and you prefer to give them in the form of screenshots. Screenshots can be very handy as evidence but what they also do is allow someone to cherry pick quotes and sections of a story, rather than allowing anyone else to read the story in full. Given your claim that Jason Knaupf was deliberately selective for malicious purpose in the messages he made available for the court, I would have expected you to have higher standards yourself. If you are going to make accusations and throw out vague statement about a rape which don't give identifying specifics, expect to be asked for details and your sources if you want to be credible. The screenshots - now - at least give some of that, but your posts have done this kind of thing repeatedly, and you then like to find fault with anyone who calls out these evasions.

Not too sure if you are trying to pretend the rape never happened or what

Not too sure if you are actually reading my posts.
When I say
I'm no royalist and have no idea about what one of your examples is about I'm not just making it up.

I'm sorry that I don't fit your royalist & racist label that you like to apply whenever and wherever you can across these threads, as I said earlier you are clearly anti monarchy and have an agenda so I'm now not in the least bit interested.

Just on your screenshots (on a case from 20 years ago) did this go to court? were any lies told in court? or are you saying evidence was withheld?

Are you expecting PW to do the same, withhold evidence and to cover up just because that is what has happened in the past?

Maybe PWs vision for the monarchy is not dodgy dealings, covering up of information, withholding evidence and condoning lying in court. Maybe PW has learnt something from the past.