Harry to sue BBC

[Viviennemary]

I just read Harry is going to sue the BBC for announcing the Queen wasn't consulted over the name Lilibet. They said she was told of their plans . Maybe told isnt quite the same as consulted. When is this all going to end. Seems to be getting worse instead of improving.

@Zzelda

I'm not convinced that he gets past first base in terms of what he has to prove. I'm no expert on libel, but I understand he has to show that what was said would lower him in the minds of right-thinking people. I don't know about anyone else, but it never occurred to me to consult my grannies about my children's names, nor would I expect my children to consult their own grandparents - even if they planned to name them after said grandparents. So I really don't care whether Harry consulted or not, and if it were established that he didn't I wouldn't instantly think worse of him. So what damage to his reputation has he actually suffered as a result of this specific issue? And has it damaged it any more than, say, running off to give interviews to Oprah, whingeing that Daddy isn't subsidising his millionaire lifestyle, etc etc?

Surely any lowered opinion wouldn’t be about whether or not he asked the queen (I agree, I don’t care about that) but about whether or not they lied about asking her? I may have got the chronology mixed up here but didn’t they say they had asked, and the bbc basically said a source said they hadn’t eg they lied. If I were H&M and I had asked, I’d be more annoyed at being called a liar than being accused of not asking about the name.

@Cacacoisfarraige
But everything you listed can be found on Mumsnet thread - so it's also MN and social Media engaging in this - if you really want H&M to go
Away - don't start threads or engage with any news articles or statements - it's not that difficult- people
Actually make the choice to stir the pot or Leave it alone. It's ironic that somebody would post on SM - I dislike H&M because of this , this and this I wish they would just go away .... and then like sheep others follow sleep eating the same phrases,
Followed by hundreds of replies all saying the same things , then shares clicks and likes followed by more I dislike H&M because of this this and this ...... and it repeats - Even the thread that ridiculed M's
Book - that is all publicity that those who dislike her are sharing on Twitter etc etc . Then you complain that they are getting rich off
Their connections with the RF - then stop giving them free publicity - ignore . !!!!

@Wanttocry agreed. For whistleblowers etc and deep investigative journalism - sources should be protected
This? No.
This is simply mean

I think they're doing the right thing - zero tolerance towards the gossipmongerers. Repeated successful legal actions will make the gutter press think twice before bandying about untruths.

Exactly. He has pre recorded some sort of podcast/video about the next invictus games and released it today. Even though they're not taking place til 2023. So is there to be a pre-recorded snippet about something or other released daily to keep their profiles up there. And now its UP to 20 weeks break.

@RickiTarr - from all red top reporting and recent wins all the sources quoted against the couple disappear very quickly once required to be substantiated

I’d be furious if someone said I’d lied about speaking with my grandmother and her giving me her blessing to use her name
Furious
Their quick and clear response who mirror that.

@Turmerictolly

I think they're doing the right thing - zero tolerance towards the gossipmongerers. Repeated successful legal actions will make the gutter press think twice before bandying about untruths.

Agree and if more people could afford to do this the media would have to be more careful about what they reported as fact?

[quote RonaldMcDonald]@Wanttocry agreed. For whistleblowers etc and deep investigative journalism - sources should be protected
This? No.
This is simply mean[/quote]
Right but there isn’t any system for determining the line for when sources should be protected and when they shouldn’t (is there?). And I don’t know how that system would work as there’d be a large grey area - which I agree this story is not in, it’s clearly not a case of serious whistleblowing but generally I think it’s better to have a blanket “sources don’t have to be revealed” policy, rather than one of picking and choosing.

But I am not a legal expert or a journalist so my opinion could be totally wrong.

@HeronLanyon

Doesn’t a reputable source like a palace spokesperson enable them to report something ? If not not much point in the role surely? How would the bbc further evidence to establish truth Do they have to speak to the Queen ? Or maybe some phone hacking ?

Do we know it was a palace spokesperson, or just a palace source, which could be the toilet cleaner? Anyway I wonder why the Queen doesn't tell them to shut up and stop the stupid retaliating, trouble making stories about stupid, petty things. It makes the palace look bad and is just going to result in a trashy soap opera never ending tit for tat. Unless they are thick, they should have learned that a Markle always has to have the last word.

@Turmerictolly

I think they're doing the right thing - zero tolerance towards the gossipmongerers. Repeated successful legal actions will make the gutter press think twice before bandying about untruths.

What about the untruths they themselves bandy about then? Getting married three days before the public wedding for example. They haven’t been held to account for that.

@Viviennemary do you have an issue with Prince Harry taking paternity leave?

My husband took 12 weeks with each of our children and whilst I know we were blessed by that, it was what he had arranged with his workplace. I had a very quick return to part time in comparison.

@Cacacoisfarraige

Sunshine Sachs could recommend a breather from the media - but there is no revenue for them then

I predict the “Lillybet at Target” line will sell well. Hats off to them. 😂😂

Zero tolerance towards the gossipmongers? That's us. You, me and everyone else on this thread. Pointless and possibly baseless speculation about people none of us know.

@TheFairyCaravan

While her actual living grandmother, who lives nearby and sees her all the time, didn't get a look in in the naming process. Poor Doria.

Funny how no one said “poor Carole” when Princess Charlotte had Elizabeth and Diana in her name too, wasn’t it?

Carole's middle name is Elizabeth (as is Kate's). Also, I don't recall Wills doing a podcast where he talked about Charles having a bad upbringing at the hands of the Queen, which contributed to his own bad upbringing, and then a few weeks later named his baby after her.

@BreakingtheIce
What would you suggest? Public flogging?
They exchanged vows together in front of the ABOfC prior to the wedding - to them this was the real deal. Not the millions of viewers worldwide deal, the H&M together deal

Prince Philip was spot when he said no good will come from the Oprah chat show. You air your dirty laundry in public (drawing in viewing figures of 17m) then I don’t have a lot of sympathy for whatever happens following that. The irony is they have escalated their public/media presence more so than they ever had been prior. The headlines about them (some correct some not so) pull in huge clicks and it’s media manna from heaven.

Had they just cut ties with the RF and retreated to live privately then they would find their life a lot easier and there wouldn’t be so much for the media to report on. Instead they are having to spend their time pouring over the U.K. media sources and threatening legal action for anything that contradicts what their own publicity machine pumps out.

Maybe they think it’s worth it but I suspect they have been very naive and it’s all going to backfire quite spectacularly (and publicly).

[quote Cacacoisfarraige]@PreparationPreparationPrep

I didn’t say H&M would get rich, but that SS would get their cheque ![/quote]
That line was a general comment about criticism of them using their Royal connections to get / stay rich. I'm saying if there were not so many threads and SM threads about every snippet of news or gossip they would not be. It's only through MN that I have recently been drawn into this - nobody in My circle gives hoot about M&H and we would never have a conversation- they would think I am crazy if they knew I responded to this thread. I just think done people are giving a lot of time and headspace to a couple they wish would go away.

@Cacacoisfarraige

I just think the British media will nickname her Betty just to piss them off

Don't you think that would be a bit nasty - abs definitely not funny , she is just a baby and innocent - why would you want this ?

What about the untruths they themselves bandy about then? Getting married three days before the public wedding for example. They haven’t been held to account for that.

They were held to account if I can remember- the AoC apparently came out to confirm the legal marriage was at church.

@StormzyinaTCup

Prince Philip was spot when he said no good will come from the Oprah chat show. You air your dirty laundry in public (drawing in viewing figures of 17m) then I don’t have a lot of sympathy for whatever happens following that. The irony is they have escalated their public/media presence more so than they ever had been prior. The headlines about them (some correct some not so) pull in huge clicks and it’s media manna from heaven.

Had they just cut ties with the RF and retreated to live privately then they would find their life a lot easier and there wouldn’t be so much for the media to report on. Instead they are having to spend their time pouring over the U.K. media sources and threatening legal action for anything that contradicts what their own publicity machine pumps out.

Maybe they think it’s worth it but I suspect they have been very naive and it’s all going to backfire quite spectacularly (and publicly).

Totally agree.

[quote RonaldMcDonald]@Viviennemary do you have an issue with Prince Harry taking paternity leave?

My husband took 12 weeks with each of our children and whilst I know we were blessed by that, it was what he had arranged with his workplace. I had a very quick return to part time in comparison.[/quote]

I'm not sure the US is quite so generous with mat/pat leave