Thoughts on Prince William's speech?

[Aspiringmatriarch]

I've been musing on this, I'm not sure I agree with the idea that the Bashir interview created a 'false narrative'. Obviously Diana was lied to, which is appalling, and I'm sure that fueled some of her paranoia but isn't it true that she was spied on at times e.g. with the squidgygate tapes? And she'd already collaborated with Andrew Morton saying many of the same things, and apparently wanted to do an interview after Charles gave his.

I don't know... it just feels odd to me that William is essentially asking for it to be struck from the record. He was apparently angry with her after the Bashir interview and was teased about it at school, which must have been horrible. Is he trying to protect her memory or is there an element of trying to tidy it all away?

The palace/KP requests that damaging stories about William are held back in exchange for a nasty story about Harry. Been going on for years, including across that time William was/is having totally innocent dinner dates, a deux

More conjecture. I’m pretty sure if that were true Harry would have mentioned it to Oprah.

Why would the engagement ring have any relation to who any copyright was left to? Surely she left them both a variety of things?

It shows that Diana was distributing highly significant historic items equally between her son the heir and her younger son. Therefore, if the copyright formed part of her estate, it's as likely that copyright is owned by Harry, as it is that it's owned by William.

If William owned it, it wouldn't be shown anymore would it? He wouldn't need to insist, he would simply invoke copyright. So I thinks it's unlikely he owns it.

@PicsInRed

Why would the engagement ring have any relation to who any copyright was left to? Surely she left them both a variety of things?

It shows that Diana was distributing highly significant historic items equally between her son the heir and her younger son. Therefore, if the copyright formed part of her estate, it's as likely that copyright is owned by Harry, as it is that it's owned by William.

If William owned it, it wouldn't be shown anymore would it? He wouldn't need to insist, he would simply invoke copyright. So I thinks it's unlikely he owns it.

Oh I see, sorry. I thought you were saying it was more likely it was left to Harry than William, because he got the engagement ring.

Diana didn’t give Harry the ring as such. The boys were allowed to choose something of hers after her death. Harry chose the ring and William chose a watch. They then swapped when William got engaged. It is well documented.

That is a nice story. That they swapped .

@goldierocks

Hi *@Taketheredpill* - it's usual for the subject of a factual documentary or even the subject of a biography to retain copyright over "their" story and the way their image is used. It's also possible for the copyright owner to waive their rights (but rarely ever do).

I can't find any references to the copyright owner of the Diana/Bashir interview. Unless she waived her rights, Diana would have held it during her lifetime. I'd be interested to know who holds the copyright now.

I think that depends - the norm these days (in my sphere of PR, anyway) is to ensure that the interviewee signs a form assigning copyright and any other rights to the programme-maker. But someone of Diana’s status would I’m sure be able to set her own terms.

I can see that there's an element of truth in this

''William is raging as his scapegoat has escaped and now he is exposed with no diversion.''

But William is a different type of character, apart from the rural rival story which did get out, what has he done that he needs to trade with the press?

Whatever they do to stop the interview being shown again, it will. A waste.
People don't just forget what they have seen and heard.
I do find it odd though that they seem to want to take diana's story and re write it.

@Samcro do enlighten us as to the alternative story. Fascinating to know your inside knowledge

@Gucci1961

I can see that there's an element of truth in this

''William is raging as his scapegoat has escaped and now he is exposed with no diversion.''

But William is a different type of character, apart from the rural rival story which did get out, what has he done that he needs to trade with the press?

Who knows. A temper maybe? A lot of the time looks like someone who's holding back anger, to me. But I could be projecting. It's just a feeling. I feel things will come out eventually. And maybe the overly squeaky-clean image makes me imagine all sorts and it's actually quite boring.

'Yes, Minister" a documentary? And made by BBC? In that case it should be banned immediately. Who knows what strange fancies it may encourage in the audience? We could lose faith in our politicians. That would be terrible.

Of course Harry has been thrown under the bus for William.

The dynamic of the future king and the spare birthed ain't any different to the golden child and the black sheep.

It's damaging and you don't just get over it. Throw in the public death of their mum and all the media stuff around her and I'm surprised either of them can actually do as well as they do in public.

Harry is actually the one who speaks more easily in public and has a more relaxed and witty personality.

He now also doesn't have to keep his trap shut as much as he did!

He now also doesn't have to keep his trap shut as much as he did!

Exactly. That’s why I think he’d definitely have told the world if he’d been thrown under the bus for anyone. He’s not exactly holding back.

Very interesting thread.
@Aspiringmatriarch - someone holding back anger is exactly how he appears to me.
@itsgettingwierd, I definitely see the dysfunctional family playing out . Maybe the royals really are no different than the rest of us!
All that happy families bullshit while backstabbing ( in their case PR campaign/ leaks to damage the rival) except of course for the riches and unearned influence. That makes me angry.

I am a republican so I’m not inclined to have much sympathy with royals but there is something about Harry’s story which I find compelling.
I wish William would shut up about mental health . He isn’t convincing . He’s starting to do more harm than good

@Blossomtoes

He now also doesn't have to keep his trap shut as much as he did!

Exactly. That’s why I think he’d definitely have told the world if he’d been thrown under the bus for anyone. He’s not exactly holding back.

Maybe he doesn’t fully realise what has been happening. Sometimes it takes a long time to see the wood from the trees

That’s why I think he’d definitely have told the world if he’d been thrown under the bus for anyone. He’s not exactly holding back

If he has been thrown under a bus the world won't know until someone crosses his palm with silver. With a sixteen bog mansion to maintain indefinitely he's got to keep some of his powder dry.

Yes , drip feeding might be more effective. But what do I know ?

I think the royal machine is quite scary really .

That’s why I think he’d definitely have told the world if he’d been thrown under the bus for anyone. He’s not exactly holding back.

Yes and no. He hasn't revealed any 'family scandals' except for the point about them not being supportive over M's mental health and all the bad press. If he did, that would truly be the nuclear option and I think while he's not the most guarded person, he must realise that. Even with everything that's happened up to now, there's a chance of some kind of reconciliation in the future, albeit a limited one I think. But if he starts airing other family member's deepest secrets there is truly no going back. It may be that he'll get to that point, who knows. I get the sense that William is less than conciliatory so it's possible that he will light that touch paper one day. Pure speculation on my part though.

I’m pretty sure if that were true Harry would have mentioned it to Oprah.
That’s why I think he’d definitely have told the world if he’d been thrown under the bus for anyone. He’s not exactly holding back

Harry didn't even name the person who made the racist comment. He's barely said anything yet.

He's massively holding back.

@ohforarainyday

I’m pretty sure if that were true Harry would have mentioned it to Oprah. That’s why I think he’d definitely have told the world if he’d been thrown under the bus for anyone. He’s not exactly holding back

Harry didn't even name the person who made the racist comment. He's barely said anything yet.

He's massively holding back.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Gucci1961

I can see that there's an element of truth in this

''William is raging as his scapegoat has escaped and now he is exposed with no diversion.''

But William is a different type of character, apart from the rural rival story which did get out, what has he done that he needs to trade with the press?

What has he done, is I think absolutely the right question!

My impression is that he starts a lot of things, then gets bored and wanders off.

The DofE founded the outward bound/adventure scheme to give young people a sense of achievement and the experience of working together.

Charles set up The Princes Trust which has helped a lot of underprivileged young people start up in the arts or business.

William has the nebulous Royal Foundation thing and some mental health work but where’s his big achievement?

At least Harry has Invictus.

@NoIdontwanttoseeyourknob I thought he couldn't do much as he has young children(often mentioned on threads)

At least William is still there doing his job, not moaning in a mansion. Maybe when Charles becomes King, William will take over some of the things like the Prince’s Trust.

I thought he couldn't do much as he has young children(often mentioned on threads)

That made me laugh out loud! Given they have to do all the childcare themselves quite obviously, and make the childrens' tea every night, and take them to their out of school clubs

William has the nebulous Royal Foundation thing and some mental health work but where’s his big achievement?

He had a full time job with air ambulance until 2017 and he’s not 40 yet. How many people have “big achievements” in their late 30s? What’s yours @NoIdontwanttoseeyourknob?