BBC Martin Bashir - Diana shocked.

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The more that comes out about the panorama interview and the way things were invented/forged. Bank statements, telephone records, stories about the family to encourage Diana to talk to Bashir. I just cannot believe what is emerging from this, things that would have influenced me if I had been Diana and no-one verified it independently.

[quote Nishky]@WisconsinRaw he lost his mother at a young age and you call him a piece of shit. What a truly awful thing to do.

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Does losing your mother automatically make you immune from being shit for the rest of your life?

The faked documents and the lies Bashir told her led her to lose all trust in those who were assigned to protect her. If she’d kept the proper protection she wouldn’t have been in a car with a drunk driver whoever she was dating. There is a very clear line between the interview and the final outcome.

That's a very peculiar "clear line" which would have to zigzag backwards, given that she dismissed her protection and collaborated with the Morton book well before the interview.

Charles and Camilla's long standing affair denied for many many years is being conveniently forgotten in this blame game. Nevertheless thd BBC needs to be held to account for the lies and cover ups.

@WisconsinRaw

Prince William going on national TV to call his mum a gullible, paranoid liar who was manipulated by the press into creating a "false narrative".

What a piece of shit William is. He showed no respect for Diana.

I agree. Each time I hear his take on what has happened it's insulting to my intelligence and yes, the first thing I said to my DH after watching it is he's thrown his mother under the bus. Acting as though the RF are beyond reproach. And just in case he is not aware, she was definitely giving that interview regardless of what MB did. It could have been him or anyone else, but it was definitely going to be someone.

They're at it again, painting D as highly unstable therefore anything she said should be taken with a large pinch of salt. Remember her comments re Charles' suitability for the top job. Media etc doing same with H and his comments on the RF.

To those who say the Royals have no power, think again. PW's alleged affair, PA and his alleged behaviour, etc, all disappeared. Tbh I wish the media would call the RF's bluff and just have an embargo on any reporting about the Royals, I fail to be impressed by K wearing a 2k dress to visit a food bank or some other nonsense.

I'm not sure that W meant to say anyone was directly responsible for her death but that the lies she was told contributed to her MH problems which caused her to behave in ways she wouldn't normally. It's like blaming the dealer for a drug overdose. Nó one forced them to take drugs but certain people will try to encourage it.

Also without the accusations of Charles sleeping with the nanny she might have still done the interview but would she have disclosed as much, in the way she did? Would she have criticized the RF if she felt she could trust at least some of them? We just don't know.

The lies certainly didn't make the situation any better.

*WisconsinRaw

Prince William going on national TV to call his mum a gullible, paranoid liar who was manipulated by the press into creating a "false narrative".

What a piece of shit William is. He showed no respect for Diana.*

This seems to be a view commonly shared by a lot of Americans on Twitter.
I wonder why...

Came across this quote from Evelyn Waugh in a book review... EW wrote it in his diary...

“The Simpson crisis has been a great delight to everyone. At Maidie’s nursing home The Simpson crisis has been a great delight to everyone. At Maidie’s nursing home they report a pronounced turn for the better in all adult patients. There can seldom have been an event that has caused so much general delight and so little pain. Reading the papers and listening to the announcements that there was no news took up most of the week… . they report a pronounced turn for the better in all adult patients. There can seldom have been an event that has caused so much general delight and so little pain. Reading the papers and listening to the announcements that there was no news took up most of the week… . Some media can be dreadful.”

There are probably a lot of parallels to today’s. Except the media and social media are now so different, the RF is bang in the centre of the spotlight and it’s all clearly causing lots of pain.

For some reason that quote has repeated itself - sorry fat fingers and phones.

Yes, there seems to be an attempt to rewrite history here.
The argument that this one interview led directly to her unfortunate death is illogical when you look at . I suppose they hope that the little people don’t think about it too much. Many people don’t seem to question what they are ‘told’ though.

Charles gave his interview , tapes were released, she distrusted some of staff ( sound familiar ?) etc- she wanted to give her side of the story and she did. This interview was happening no matter what. What the journalist did was wrong but is a side issue .

BBC The bastions of Morality and Britishness. Jimmy Saville anyone? Now this. Makes you realise how the BBC are no better than Daily Star, in fact probably worse because they’ve deceived the Nation into believing they were the dogs bo11ocks all along.

Is it a side issue when the journalist lied to show her she couldn't trust anyone and played on her insecurities (legge-bourke).
Diana herself became convinced that she would be killed off by the Firm. If that is not paranoia...

@ShallWeStartTheMeeting

Is it a side issue when the journalist lied to show her she couldn't trust anyone and played on her insecurities (legge-bourke). Diana herself became convinced that she would be killed off by the Firm. If that is not paranoia...

Then suddenly she had an unfortunate (some CTs might say not unexpected) accident.

Just cause you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. William is complicit in rehashing the old narratie that she was unstable. Of course NOTHING the RF did could contribute to her instability?

I don’t doubt for a moment that lies helped to lead to the lack of security at the time of her death.
But the fact remains that if she’d been wearing a seat belt, she might well have survived.

IMO William spoke extremely well yesterday. Extremely strong feelings, entirely justified, but spoken with dignity.
IMO Harry could take a leaf out of his brother’s book.

I'm not saying that the royal family played no part in her instability.
She obviously went through a toxic marriage, all played out publicly for the world to see.

However, from William's perspective, he was caught between two parents that he loved.
When the interview came out it was HUGE. Much bigger than Charles' interview. Diana got a lot of backlash and became a much more polarising figure.
Maybe from his perspective he saw his mother unravel after that.
Objectively she was killed in a car accident. But for a grieving son maybe he saw her become more reckless and make 'bad' decisions.
And then she died chased by the paparazzi. You can see why he would direct his rage at them, you can also see why he would try to find a reason for her death and find that reason in Bashir's lies.

Btw, I don’t mean to dismiss what the journalist did in any way. I’ve already said it was disgraceful. It certainly makes me question the media even more than I would usually.

But, my point was in the whole narrative of dysfunction that is the royal family, it is a side issue. There had been hushed up scandals and rumours long before this interview . Charles had had his say. Diana was entitled to hers. She would have spoken to someone .

Cant anyone else see the same narrative being started on Harry?
‘Diana was unstable ‘ ( doesn’t mean she can’t still tell the truth)
‘Harry is unstable’. ( doesn’t mean that he also isn’t telling the truth)

@Katie2017

Makes me wonder how Bashir handled Michael Jackson and other interviews.

I've hated Bashir ever since the MJ interview-and I know most peoples feelings on here regarding MJ but he really did a number on him-according to his then manager he was absolutely devastated by it and after the interview the drugs that were previously a crutch became a necessity. He complained to the broadcasting standards commission accusing Bashir of yellow journalism. Apparently he only landed the MJ interview after promising him they would plan a trip to Africa to visit children with AIDS accompanied by Kofi Annan. When this was put to Bashir while under oath in court in California he refused to answer.

Oh I'm sure MJ would have loved going to Africa to "visit the children"

Please don't compare this to the MJ interview.

I think the argument is Diana would have spoken out at some point but Bashir's lies encouraged her to reveal more than she perhaps would have.

PW's alleged affair I wonder why you want this to be true. Is it in the public interest to know if it is true. Are you a friend of Catherine and want it to come out?

@derxa

PW's alleged affair I wonder why you want this to be true. Is it in the public interest to know if it is true. Are you a friend of Catherine and want it to come out?

Well said Derxa. Forestiere do you have some ‘inside’ information about this? Or are you just enjoying malicious gossip being spread?

I think the point is that it is what Diana said, and the way she said it.
Without listening to her entire interview again, I am sure she said somewhere that their marriage was happy until after Prince Harry was born, and that Charles resumed his affaire subseqently.
However, she also said 'there were 3 of us in this marriage', implying Charles was unfaithful from the beginning.
Diana definitely did not want Charles to be King, and deliberately smeared him, (presumably thinking he was using William to spy on her, and believing all the negativitiy from the BBC lies).
Diana admitted she was also unfaithful, but maybe she would have given the interview with a clearer head, and been more objective, if she had not thought they were all against her.