BBC Martin Bashir - Diana shocked.

[justasking111]

The more that comes out about the panorama interview and the way things were invented/forged. Bank statements, telephone records, stories about the family to encourage Diana to talk to Bashir. I just cannot believe what is emerging from this, things that would have influenced me if I had been Diana and no-one verified it independently.

Help me to recall please, RF enthusiasts. That tape of Squidgy Diana's phone call talking with James Gilbey. The tape that just happened to be recorded completely unintentionally by an old boy in a garden shed and had nothing at all to do with the security services and routine monitoring of the RF. That was the fault of the BBC was it? And Charles with his tampax tape? That too? No doubt we will all have the pleasure of seeing Paul Burrell wheeled out on tv today to give his opinion on his ex-employer. Just noticed the D Mail is leading on Prince Harry's hard life with added drink and drugs for extra salacious tingles. And everything is someone else's fault. The amount of guff people will swallow is astonishing.

@WisconsinRaw

Prince William going on national TV to call his mum a gullible, paranoid liar who was manipulated by the press into creating a "false narrative".

What a piece of shit William is. He showed no respect for Diana.

Where dows he call her that?!

@WisconsinRaw he lost his mother at a young age and you call him a piece of shit. What a truly awful thing to do.

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All this just shows what the kerb licking media can do and at times this site is no better, calling a human being a piece of shit just shows how low and disgraceful folk can be.
Sickening!

I seem to remember there was an incident where Princess Diana confronted Tiggy Legge-Bourke and made her cry. Then her solicitor wrote a letter of apology.

Now it seems she was shown faked documents about an abortion.

It’s horrific, she must have been confused- I find it really chilling.

Yes the interview may have gone ahead anyway, the book came out before, but to feed lies like that must have affected her mind.

Interestingly in the second edition of Andrew Morton’s book he does an introduction that says he had no idea that when she was providing the information for the book that she was having an affair- he seemed a little irked by that fact.

I’m with my good old dad who after watching ‘Drop the dead donkey’ decided never to believe any news ever again.....

@Port1aCastis exactly-I beg you do not go on Twitter and if you do immediately block anyone whose name refers to the Sussexes or has their photo as their profile.......

Who created social media profiles calling themselves ‘Sussex girl’ or whatever- fair creeps me out

@Iamthewombat

All this nonsense about the BBC ‘betraying the trust of the licence payers’.

Diana did the interview willingly. Brokered by her brother. She willingly made a show of herself by doing a revealing TV interview full of soundbites about her private life. As did Prince Charles. She deliberately wore an attention grabbing dress on the night he did his interview. She willingly collaborated on a ‘tell all’ book. She was not a naive young woman bamboozled by a wicked journalist.

Her brother is an awful attention seeker who can’t keep it in his pants. I don’t think that anybody covered themselves in glory. I think that the BBC could find better ways to fulfil its brief.

I’d like to know what real news this nonsense is distracting us from.

This. She was an adult making choices about what she was going to say in front of the cameras. She chose not to pay for her own protection. She continued to make choices when she took up with Dodi Fayed, got into that car, failed to put on a seatbelt. The concept that she was incapable of making her own mind up about anything is actually pretty offensive towards her.

I got rid of twatter years ago as I found the trolls and keyboard fuckwits disgusting.
I have actually been on the receiving end of media scummy lies and it nearly destroyed me. All people have feelings and abusing them is vile, however all the hurt dished out says more about the author than the person(s) being abused.

@Port1aCastis so sorry that happened to you

Earl Spencer has got some nerve. He refused to help Diana when she was alive, he didn't want her at Althrop, her childhood home, but is quite happy to have the paying public there now to gawp at where she is buried.

He hijacked her funeral with ridiculous melodramatic speech about his sister, to whom he hadn't been close to in years. Now, he's trying to cosy up to William and Harry, for his own ends, of course.

I'm sorry for what happened to Diana but people shouldn't assume things would have been so different if she hadn't done that interview. Fergie was cast out into the wilderness, she had to flog candles and tea in the States to make money after her divorce.

Diana had an axe to grind, her resentment towards Charles and the RF ran deep, how else do you explain the Andrew Morton book? Someone helped her write that "Queen of Hearts" line, she as surrounded by psychics and suck ups, none of whom had the guts to tell her she was making a mistake.

Martin Bashir is way out of line but Diana was paranoid about the RF years before he showed his face. It's a stretch to say she died in a car crash because of his actions, she dismissed her Royal protection officers way before that in order to spite the RF.

Yes there was fraud and a cover up at the BBC but no one could save Diana from herself.

Her brother is equally vulnerable because they were both so naive

Oh, come off it. He was an Oxford-educated man with pretty extensive experience in journalism. He was sitting in the House of Lords. I think he's trying to compensate for his own guilt at the way he treated his sister, and he's still trying to exploit her memory.

Last night Earl Spencer actually referred to Diana as "a young girl". She was nearly 40!

He's just trying to rebrand her as an innocent, helpless child. Pathetic.

Spenser is a slimeball but that doesn’t make what Bashir did acceptable.

However, I don’t buy the narrative that there’s a direct line from obtaining an interview by deception to her death in a car crash with no seatbelt and a drunk driver.

I heard about this many months ago on a US podcast. I'm surprised that it's taken so long to become general knowledge.

Well Bashir is a convenient scapegoat given that he’s too ill to defend himself isn’t he?
Diana was not a young girl. Earl Spencer wasn’t very close to her during her life and tried to make up for it by being the doting brother after she died and using her funeral to take pot-shots at the RF.
Diana put her divorce and private life in the media spotlight which is actually hideous for her two young boys. Using William as her ‘confidant’ and letting him see her cry is also verging on abusive parenting. She should have shielded the boys from all that, not humiliated them.
She made a decision to get in a car and to not wear her seatbelt. Accidents happen sometimes. It’s tragic but it’s not the fault of a journalist.

I just watched Prince Williams response. He looks both devastated and livid at the same time, and yet despite that he handled that speech amazingly well.

Really? I find it rather creepy that somebody who, rightly or wrongly, has a platform for his views finds it advisable to carry on a vendetta against ‘the media’.

He has convinced himself that ‘the media’ were responsible for all of his mother’s troubles. His continued attempts to attack ‘the media’ make him look deluded and petty. The same goes for his brother.

Now they have an actual person they can attempt to blame for their mother’s death. A man suffering from a brain tumour, with whom his mother willingly, even enthusiastically, collaborated, but never mind that, eh? Off with his head.

Much easier to ascribe Diana’s mental health problems to the interview she happily participated in than to blame their father, for embarking on an ill-advised marriage, or the Queen for encouraging it, or the dear old queen mum and her best mate, Diana’s grandma, for cooking up the idea. Or Diana’s parents for splitting up when she was a child. Or Diana herself for surrounding herself with phonies like the awful Paul Burrell and fortune tellers, and knowingly putting herself into situations that she knew would draw attention.

Re William's TV statement, if anyone in the RF needed to speak out (which I personally think was a mistake) then surely it should have been Charles. After all, he was the other half of that nightmare marriage and his actions supposedly fuelled her anger/paranoia. He is also the princes' father (?) so is equally responsible for how they dealt with it all.

It should be Charles of course. But Charles didn’t speak out because it would remind everyone of the awful marriage and the treatment of Diana. Better to create distance and sympathy.

Falsifying documents is disgraceful and I’m amazed it has stayed hidden for this long. How was this fact revealed?
Anyway , the fact that the journalist did that does not lead directly to her death and it makes me wonder why that would be suggested.

Now they have an actual person they can attempt to blame for their mother’s death. A man suffering from a brain tumour, with whom his mother willingly, even enthusiastically, collaborated, but never mind that, eh? Off with his head.

For goodness sake, William didn’t directly speak about a single person. He spoke about the “BBC Employees”, which included those at the very top.

There's a lot of re-writing of history going on here and a false narrative being created. Yes, Bashir manipulated Diana, isn't that why people in her position are taught not to trust the media?

Diana fired the first shot by collaborating with Andrew Morton. Charles hit back and that possibly, lead to her trusting Bashir when she shouldn't have. William is desperately looking for someone to blame for his mother's death but in reality it was tragic accident, a chain of disastrous events that ended with three people's deaths. Charles Spencer is looking to reinvent himself as Diana's saviour, he hasn't treated his own ex-wives too kindly.

I would also like to hear what Prince Charles thinks. I suspect he has learned some hard lessons and will now remain silent.

@Lockdownbear

Those who think this could topple the BBC don't be daft. The BBC has just proven why the UK needs a national broadcasting service with all the work it did during the last 18mths in Bitesize and home education. One of the first thing BJ announced was BBC had been asked to provide 13 weeks of education at all levels. Hence the first clue that Lockdown wasn't going to be 3 weeks.

You do know no one thought a lockdown would only be 3 weeks right? It's a bit weird to come on here and say this as if it's like a "haha you silly fools, you didn't know but now I've come to enlighten you". Bizarre.

Anyway, back to the actual topic of the thread... Basically no one is in the right here. Not Diana, not the media, certainly not Bashir or Earl Spencer but also not William.

I'm bloody glad Harry has escaped this fucking shit show of a family and media circus that comes with it.

@Iamthewombat, I agree with what you say re William’s attack on the media.
It must be easier for him to place all blame on the media than to look closer to home. Also William seems to be firmly in place in the ‘firm’.
Harry will have a more nuanced view , especially the longer he spends in therapy

What a mess.

@longwayoff

Help me to recall please, RF enthusiasts. That tape of Squidgy Diana's phone call talking with James Gilbey. The tape that just happened to be recorded completely unintentionally by an old boy in a garden shed and had nothing at all to do with the security services and routine monitoring of the RF. That was the fault of the BBC was it? And Charles with his tampax tape? That too? No doubt we will all have the pleasure of seeing Paul Burrell wheeled out on tv today to give his opinion on his ex-employer. Just noticed the D Mail is leading on Prince Harry's hard life with added drink and drugs for extra salacious tingles. And everything is someone else's fault. The amount of guff people will swallow is astonishing.

👏🏾 This with bells on!!!

Marmaduke Hussey was the chairman of the Board of Governors of the BBC from
1986 - 1996.
Martin Bashir's interview was in 1995.
Marmaduke's wife, Lady Susan Hussey is a godmother to Prince Wiiliam.
She's a Lady in Waiting to the Queen.
She accompanied the Queen at the funeral of Prince Phillip.