BBC Martin Bashir - Diana shocked.

[justasking111]

The more that comes out about the panorama interview and the way things were invented/forged. Bank statements, telephone records, stories about the family to encourage Diana to talk to Bashir. I just cannot believe what is emerging from this, things that would have influenced me if I had been Diana and no-one verified it independently.

The sad thing is he really can change things if he steps back properly and leads a more normal life .
Stop any interviews and concentrate on doing things that give you pleasure not hurt

Martin Bashir did an awful thing. I feel the line from the interview to the car crash as very tenuous though.

It is very convenient though as we are gradually moving to an era of King Charles there is someone to blame for what was reported as Diana’s vulnerable mental state, nothing to do with Charles’ long term affair with Camilla obviously.

I do feel sorry for William, no 13 year old boy should be his Mother’s confidant as he appears to have been and not surprised that he is furious about Bashir’s behaviour.

And the press being careful how they report on the Royal Family is very convenient given Harry’s new found fondness of sharing his inner thoughts and won’t do them any harm when it comes to the Ghislane Maxwell trial later this year, what a stroke of luck for the RF to have a bit more leverage over the press at this point in time.

Agree the BBC come out very poorly from this along with Saville - who was very friendly with royalty wasn’t he?

Harry is keen to help others with mental health I’m sure but being an empath he keeps wandering back to his own obvious problems . He will be analysing his own feelings and anxiety day in and out.
It’s easy to fall into spheres where you have personal experience but maybe not healthy

@ceilingsand

Any child in his position at that funeral would have felt the same.

Well & not necessarily just a child.

Strangers weeping & wailing along the way & family are expected to "hold it together"?

I never really understood why they walked behind though.

Maybe they wanted to though?

William not long turned 15, Harry almost 13.

I wonder how angry hd is deep down at his father and Camilla. Surely a lot of this stems from their relationship over the years.

Shortly after Diana's death I read that Harry insisted on walking behind her coffin - William had to be persuaded, and this was done by Philip who offered to walk alongside him.

I accept that maybe an adult should have made the decision rather than leaving it to the boys, as they were then, and of course we don't know the conversations that happened behind the scenes.

I read the coffin walk along with dragging everyone back to London was Tony Blair’s idea
But who knows what the truth is
It certainly sounds a terrible idea in front of all those wailing crowds

With hindsight it seems extraordinary and one wonders how anyone thought it was a good idea. It would have been so easy for them to stand at the palace gates as she went by with the rest of the RF and then travel to the Abbey in a car. I believe it was Tony Blair and Alastair Campbell who cooked up the idea, can't imagine why. But the RF were like rabbits in the headlight and TB and co took over quite a bit of the planning iirc. Initially PP had a fit and shouted them off the phone at the suggestion but they must have persevered.
In no way defending it but I think the thinking must have been if they weren't there then that would leave Earl Spencer, Charles and PP and that would look weird since she was no longer part of the royal family and divorced from Charles. If they weren't there that would leave just Earl Spencer alone which would have looked very odd and been very hard for him. Otherwise have no one following the coffin? 🤷‍♀️

@diddl I totally agree.

Just read on the DM that his wife and daughter have been spotted leaving the house with suitcases. Maybe they have walked out now they know the truth? Blimey.

It's the bugging of her apartment to make her more paranoid is just horiffic. Paul B might have done daft things, but letting Diana listen in to a call with Bashir was a very good idea. It just gets worse.

@Howzaboutye

Just read on the DM that his wife and daughter have been spotted leaving the house with suitcases. Maybe they have walked out now they know the truth? Blimey.

It's the bugging of her apartment to make her more paranoid is just horiffic. Paul B might have done daft things, but letting Diana listen in to a call with Bashir was a very good idea. It just gets worse.

Or maybe they've been getting death threats and told to leave for safety reasons? It could be anything but I doubt a wife and daughter would leave him when he is so unwell?

Just read on the DM that his wife and daughter have been spotted leaving the house with suitcases. Maybe they have walked out now they know the truth? Blimey

Or maybe they don’t feel safe in the house? They probably have been receiving death threats from nutcases.

Patrick Jephson in the DM: “had Diana not cut herself off from the royal support system by agreeing to the Bashir interview, it’s likely her circumstances would not have led her to a point where she entrusted her safety to people not competent to look after her.’ That’s the sad truth in a nutshell.

Gosh I hadn't thought they would have been receiving death threats. That's mad. I hope not. I'd rather they were furious.

Desperately sad but I do wish, quietly away from camera,some good could come of this.Schools,toilets,wells,drop in centres.....something forward looking and positive.

If they weren't there that would leave just Earl Spencer alone which would have looked very odd and been very hard for him.

(In relation to the walk behind Diana’s coffin).

Hard for him?? This is a joke, right? There is nothing that posturing arse would have liked better than to walk alone behind her coffin, receiving the adulation of the crowd before making his toe-curling speech.

@HeddaGarbled

If it wasn’t for the public wanting more, she would not have been hounded so relentlessly

Indeed. Did anyone else pick up on Harry’s remark along the lines of ‘she was my mum, you didn’t know her’? I think he is very very angry with the U.K. populace, as well as his family and the media, but hasn’t dared to express it explicitly yet.

I see why Harry feels like that but a 12 YO boy should never have been put into that situation in the first place. His resentment should be towards those who forced him to walk behind the coffin, to do the walkabouts looking at the flowers. When the public were angry that there was nothing coming from the palace, it wasn't that they felt the boys should be paraded in public, but simply that a mark of respect was required.

If you watch the funeral, you can see the crying and sobbing grows worse as the boys pass, I happen to think that seeing the boys made people sadder because they were thinking about the devastation they must be feeling.

I fully understand why he feels the way he does but what you perceive as a child in a time of grief isn't necessarily the truth.

@Sylvan92

Patrick Jephson in the DM: “had Diana not cut herself off from the royal support system by agreeing to the Bashir interview, it’s likely her circumstances would not have led her to a point where she entrusted her safety to people not competent to look after her.’ That’s the sad truth in a nutshell.

Oh, is this the same Patrick Jephson who has made a living flogging titbits about Diana, both before and after her death?

His books include ‘shadows of a princess’ and ‘portraits of a princess’.

He’s no better than the rest of the army of awful, bottom feeding ‘royal commentators’ including Ingrid Seward, the Arbiter father and daughter, Penny Junor, etc. All of them keen to make money from exploiting the public desire for intimate royal secrets. All of them feeding the desire for more of the same. All of them basically versions of the ghastly Paul Burrell.

I don’t think that old Patrick is in any position to claim the moral high ground.

[quote Zzelda]Very interesting take on this here - www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/21/tabloids-hurt-princess-diana-panorama-bbc-scapegoat[/quote]
That article is spot on. The BBC may have behaved terribly in this case but the likes of the Mail and Sun can hardly afford to take the moral high ground.

The tale about the boys walking behind the coffin was that Charles felt he had to but was afraid of the public's reaction to him and wanted the boys to join him. Apparently Wills had no problems with it but Harry really didn't want to and was only persuaded to by Prince Philip joining him.

I can't testify as to the truth of it, it was a very long time ago now but that's how I remember it.

I once worked with Jane Atkinson who was Diana's PR advisor when she did the interview.
She had no idea it was happening and immediately resigned.
It now looks like Bashir made sure Diana didn't trust anyone so no one could stop her doing it.

Also without the accusations of Charles sleeping with the nanny she might have still done the interview but would she have disclosed as much, in the way she did? Would she have criticized the RF if she felt she could trust at least some of them?

She was gagging to get her side of the story across. An offer from the highly respected Panorama came with bonus gravitas.

Bashir might have been selling snake oil but everyone buying was only too eager to lap it up.

@amusedtodeath1

The tale about the boys walking behind the coffin was that Charles felt he had to but was afraid of the public's reaction to him and wanted the boys to join him. Apparently Wills had no problems with it but Harry really didn't want to and was only persuaded to by Prince Philip joining him.

I can't testify as to the truth of it, it was a very long time ago now but that's how I remember it.

I think that I might also have read that-but as you say it might not even be true.

I suppose the "problem" was it being a "state" funeral (to some extent?) rather than a private family funeral.

@PresentingPercy

The divorce took place because Charles was shagging Camilla! For heavens sake. There were three of them in that marriage and it never stood a chance. It wasn’t anything to do with her interview! Charles had already been interviewed by Dimblebee and admitted adultery! What damage had he already done to his marriage and Diana? Immense by anyone’s judgement.

What about the elderly dowagers who picked Diana out for marriage to Charles as no one his own age would have him? The Queen Mother went along with it. Diana’s own mother had run off and left her appalling father. Who then married Acid Raine. That left Diana very vulnerable at a very early age! Honestly, lots of us at the time thought the marriage was doomed from the start. Charles couldn’t even say he loved her when they got engaged. She was manipulated by all of them.

By the time Bashir arrived she wanted to spill the beans in reply to Charles who got in first. Rewriting history might be convenient for the royals but it’s not defensible.

William doesn’t want anyone to hear the interview again. So we are not allowed to hear about her bulimia, her loneliness, her betrayal, her post natal depression and her mental health because it doesn’t suit them. But we can hear Harry bleating on every week about mental health and William paying lip service to it. Diana said a lot that we needed to hear. Shame on William for closing down her brave words and censoring his mother.

Well said!

@amusedtodeath1

The tale about the boys walking behind the coffin was that Charles felt he had to but was afraid of the public's reaction to him and wanted the boys to join him. Apparently Wills had no problems with it but Harry really didn't want to and was only persuaded to by Prince Philip joining him.

I can't testify as to the truth of it, it was a very long time ago now but that's how I remember it.

That's really messed up . This was the one time where Charles really should have put the welfare of his boys ahead of his reputation and tradition.