BBC Martin Bashir - Diana shocked.

[justasking111]

The more that comes out about the panorama interview and the way things were invented/forged. Bank statements, telephone records, stories about the family to encourage Diana to talk to Bashir. I just cannot believe what is emerging from this, things that would have influenced me if I had been Diana and no-one verified it independently.

It was the then Earl Spencer, Diana's father, who sold her down the river and into a marriage with Charles. The Spencers are an ambitious family and the chance to have one of their own on the throne was too much to resist.
But Diana died because she was driven by a man who had had far too much to drink, and not because of anything Bashir did (deplorable though he is).

I don't see any hate gushing out of Harry. His own father complained he hadn't been shown affection by his parents. He's doing something similar. Not hateful behaviour. They were both trying to make the point that this is not the way to be a Good Happy Human but it was their experience.

@Theunamedcat

Williams statement kind of reads shut the fuck up about my mom he should be free to remember her and have his children know all the nice things about her dredging up the interview will only bring back bad memories from the past im sure he doesn't want to think about

Well if I was his kid, his statement would read that grandmama was fragile, paranoid, and easily manipulated. Yep great memories to pass on to his children.

@AnnunciataZ

Although I feel for both brothers, there's something about William's speech that didn't sit quite right with me. I was trying to articulate how I felt and then found this Twitter thread which does it for me!

I also suspect that had Harry given the same speech then today's front pages wouldn't have been as kind to him.

That thread is spot on.

@Keyring

I think that this interview was in a chain of causation that led to her death in a Paris underpass less than 2 years later.

I honestly couldn't live with myself if I had been involved in any aspect of this interview. And yes I did watch it.

But the thought of a lonely and insecure woman being duped by the BBC is utterly disgraceful.

You must found it hard to live with yourself then. If it wasn’t for the public wanting more, she would not have been hounded so relentlessly. No one else’s private life is any of our business, yet still no one seems to understand that.

Welll said, presentingpercy. What a country we've become, with our politicians and RF simply entertainment for the masses. Last night I noticed our popular PM on TV, the habitual and proven liar BJ, sacked by The Telegraph for lying, opining on the wicked BBC for its dubious journalistic practices. Pots and kettles, absolutely sickening hypocrisy from everyone concerned in this latest edition of 'news'. 25 year old news. Guff.

@Keyring

I don't agree that fans of Diana were complicit in her death. Were Elvis fans complicit in his early death? Marilyn Monroe, similarly?

Diana sought the limelight - journos on record have said this. However, I agree she was very ill used by those in her life.

Elvis died of a drug overdose on a toilet, I’m sure someone could find a way to say the pressure from fans led to his drug abuse, but I personally think it was the touring causing stress.

Marilyn Monroe died of a drug overdose in a room by herself (apparently).

Diana was chased by paparazzi, sat in a car with no seatbelt apparently, even as she lay dying paparazzi were taking photos cause they knew the public would lap it up. If those 3 deaths sound the same to you.

I believe princess grace died the same way, for similar reasons. The public couldn’t get enough. And no I’ve never watched the interview.

You can argue there is a direct link towards her death, because due to the lies, Diana dispensed with her Royal Protection officers. This was her decision, obviously brought about because she felt she could not trust anyone. She was also told that a watch Charles had bought for William was bugged.
So from William's point of view, she definitely became paranoid.
So, in Paris, she was relying on the Fayad's driver and security.

No one else’s private life is any of our business, yet still no one seems to understand that.

Spot on. Harry should be dealing with this in private

Does every other 36 year old without SEN need to be told to put their seatbelt on? To not get in the car with a drunk driver?

Diana had already collaborated on Her True Story before this interview. Lord Dyson's paragraph makes clear she would have done the interview anyway.

Yes what happened is totally unacceptable but which other media outlet do you see investigating and reporting on itself in this way? Johnson can't even begin to talk about journalistic integrity.

Diana hid the fact she was doing the interview from her close advisers and confidantes. She went to quite an effort actually which she suggests she knew it wasn’t a wise move.

Yes what happened is totally unacceptable but which other media outlet do you see investigating and reporting on itself in this way?

The reason the BBC are now investigating and reporting on itself is because they got caught.
A number of high ranking BBC employees knew what had happened but they didn’t do any investigating or reporting - far from it, they tried to cover it up - until their wrong doing was exposed and they had no choice.

Whatever else Diana did wrong she CANNOT BE BLAMED for not personally breathalysing the chauffeur. Stop blaming her for the drunk driver.

@Velveteenchair

No one else’s private life is any of our business, yet still no one seems to understand that.

Spot on. Harry should be dealing with this in private

Like his mother should have?

You know, you can do what I do and ignore Harry though. But like so many other’s you’ll lap it up.

Harry clearly thinks people will listen to him and therefore he could help others with his stories. I imagine there’s also an element of saying “I am dysfunctional too, just like you”. But really I don’t know him or particularly care. So I opt out. If it was my family would I do it? Hell no and I can guarantee I’m way more dysfunctional. But while people want to cast someone as the villain and require entertainment he’s got an audience where he can unburden his issues.

Diana’s divorce settlement included no police protection unless on official duty. She had to find her own protection if she wanted it at other times.

S*ylvan92 "Diana hid the fact that she was doing the interview from her close advisers and confidants. She went to quite an effort actually which suggests she knew it wasn't a wise move."
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I agreed with you but then I thought that she was manipulated into thinking she couldn't trust those close advisers and confidants. So therefore she kept the interview secret.

Another "Annus horribilis" for the Queen.
Prince Philip dying
BBC Panorama - Diana interview
Harry and Meghan
Andrew and Einstein

She is elderly and that is a lot on her plate.

Yes. Diana wanted an audience and so does Harry. Royalty seeking publicity and the media never works out well. The mantra “never complain and never explain” gets thrown out of the window and mess follows.

I have never read red tops and haven’t seen Harry talking recently. I did watch Charles and Dimblebee and Diana and Bashir all those years ago but I didn’t buy the Andrew Morton book or Penny Junor’s book on Prince Charles. I don’t read Majesty magazine or lap anything up. Many photographers sold pictures to foreign media. I think we give the Royal family too much attention and respect. Some of them don’t deserve it.

If it wasn’t for the public wanting more, she would not have been hounded so relentlessly

Indeed. Did anyone else pick up on Harry’s remark along the lines of ‘she was my mum, you didn’t know her’? I think he is very very angry with the U.K. populace, as well as his family and the media, but hasn’t dared to express it explicitly yet.

she was my Mum you didn't know her
Spot on, absolutely correct. Folks can carry on about what they think they know or what the grubby media has written but thing is unless they knew the woman or actually met her they are just speculating

I think anyone under forty probably missed most of what went on as it was happening or wasn't even alive and a lot is forgotten. Diana must have learnt to be distrustful long before Bashir came along although obviously he played to her fears. How many on here remember or even knew about the gym photos?

Refreshing my memory reading this article what a low life that gym owner was. Awful. Poor Diana.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/gym-owner-defends-princess-pictures-bryce-taylor-says-98-per-cent-of-people-would-also-have-tried-his-legal-scam-to-make-money-1504800.html

@HeddaGarbled

If it wasn’t for the public wanting more, she would not have been hounded so relentlessly

Indeed. Did anyone else pick up on Harry’s remark along the lines of ‘she was my mum, you didn’t know her’? I think he is very very angry with the U.K. populace, as well as his family and the media, but hasn’t dared to express it explicitly yet.

DDs boyfriend died suddenly when they were both in their early teens.
One of the things that upset her was other kids in school who didn't know the boy crying and taking time off because they were so upset. She couldn't face school for a while because of this. She saw it as "jumping on the bandwagon".
She also felt people were being nice to her, or claiming to be grieving themselves, to bring attention on themselves.

Did anyone else pick up on Harry’s remark along the lines of ‘she was my mum, you didn’t know her’? I think he is very very angry with the U.K. populace

Good luck with that, Harry, if it is indeed the case that he is angry with the entire population of Britain!

Any child in his position at that funeral would have felt the same.

Very interesting take on this here - www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/21/tabloids-hurt-princess-diana-panorama-bbc-scapegoat

HeddaGarbled
“Indeed. Did anyone else pick up on Harry’s remark along the lines of ‘she was my mum, you didn’t know her’? I think he is very very angry with the U.K. populace, as well as his family and the media, but hasn’t dared to express it explicitly yet.”

Someone in therapy has identified to Harry the cause of all his pain
Now he can never even come to London because it triggers him

He has no one to provide counterview to this narrative and truly believes he is living Diana’s life now