William & Kate 10 year wedding anniversary video

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Has anyone else seen this on Instagram? It's so lovely and natural. Their PR camp are hitting the right buttons! The Oprah interview now just seems so trashy in comparison!

@ShoppingPrecinctPrincess

I don't want cost effective dull bores. I want ceremonial. I want colour.

But the British royal family are human magnolia. Utterly dull and unremarkable

Yes, that’s my point, too. They’re unremarkable people deformed by their bizarre roles which essentially consist of being looked at while never saying anything. The Queen is so obviously someone who would have been happier as a total nonentity breeding racehorses and living in wellies. Prince Philip would have been an obvious career officer in the navy, or flown for a living. Princess Diana would have lived a long and event-free life married to some unexceptionable type in red trousers who came down at weekends.

I think it is very hard to suggest that in a modern, forward looking 21st century democracy it is appropriate to suggest that a single family should be elevated above all others in the country, entitled to wield officially endorsed influence and power, not as a result of any proven worth but purely on the basis of who their parents were.

I’d extend that and say the whole concept of an aristocracy is utterly outdated. It is quaint and historically interesting if you care to open a book and read about it, but to allow people to use titles that somehow imply that their worth is greater than that of anyone else in the country...it’s just distasteful. It has no more relevance than the days of Empire, we’re past that now.

It has to end, and it will end eventually, everything does.

Shallow as it may be, I want the glamour, the pageantry, the crowns, the jewels and the history of the royals as head of state, I am sure the President of Ireland is a decent chap but if he was our ceremonial head of state I would have zero interest in him, agree with Derxa I don’t want cost effective dull bores either and if you think the money ‘saved’ would be spent on extra nurses you are deluded.

If you want ceremonial, if you want colours, we do have an army.

I’d extend that and say the whole concept of an aristocracy is utterly outdated.
it's coming to an end by itself, and slowly replaced by an upper-class based purely on money.

Jeez some people are arrogant.

But you look up to a family that are the epitome of arrogance. But they’re our betters, so it don’t count eh. The irony.

if you think the money ‘saved’ would be spent on extra nurses you are deluded.

But you’re happy for it to go to one family. Why not yours, or mine, or anyone’s. Why can’t we elect a different family every 4 years or so. Sounds mad? Well yes but so is the system we have now. They are just an ordinary family.

I think there is a certain Puritan mindset on here I will never understand. eg the best weddings are the ones where the bride and groom wear sack cloth and ashes. The ones who want us to be in lockdown for ever.

@derxa

I think there is a certain Puritan mindset on here I will never understand. eg the best weddings are the ones where the bride and groom wear sack cloth and ashes. The ones who want us to be in lockdown for ever.

I fail to see what that has anything to do with disputing the point of a Monarchy in 2021.

Especially as, according to MN standards, I had a big extravagant wedding.

@fluffysocks89

Presently there are 21 members of the RF getting round the clock protection by highly trained Scotland Yard officers. They work in shifts round the clock so that there is an officer for each royal at all times. Think of that if you ever struggle to get the police to come out to you.

You’re quoting an outdated Mirror article from 2010. It’s only a handful at this point. The reason some of the old ‘Queen’s generation’ royals who are 80+ years old have an apartment at Buckingham Palace or cottage on the premises is so they don’t cost extra for security. They can’t just buy a place anywhere and get security to go along with it. When they die - with the slimmed down monarchy - only the Cambridges as a family and prince Charles and Camilla will have 24 hr security. Although Prince Edward and his family are working royals, they only get security when on engagements.

I don’t find the monarchy offensive. They promote many well-deserved charities we otherwise might not know about. The concept of a monarchy is indeed outdated, but that’s why the role has changed so much in the last 50-75 years.
I’m actually biased against politicians. I don’t have much faith they’d use public money that much better if the monarchy was absolved.
Be careful what you wish for

@fluffysocks89

OK but it isn't just the current president it could be a few, their partners probably get it as well and if they have kids I can't imagine the Presidents kids just walking off to school by themselves.

There’s no comparison. The Irish Presidents kids aren’t high profile, no one knows who they are, any security costs for them would be minimal, a drop in the ocean compared to the royals. A true democratic country, Ireland does very well with a presidency.

I didn't mean it would be the same just that it isn't one president v however many royals (I think someone said 21). It might be unbalanced but not quite that unbalanced. If there are six living former presidents plus the current president that makes 21 to 7 not 21 to 1 and if their spouses also get security (I don't know if they do but I think it could happen) then it could be 21 to 14. Of course it would be lower if they are all single and serve two terms.

@Nesbo

I think it is very hard to suggest that in a modern, forward looking 21st century democracy it is appropriate to suggest that a single family should be elevated above all others in the country, entitled to wield officially endorsed influence and power, not as a result of any proven worth but purely on the basis of who their parents were.

I’d extend that and say the whole concept of an aristocracy is utterly outdated. It is quaint and historically interesting if you care to open a book and read about it, but to allow people to use titles that somehow imply that their worth is greater than that of anyone else in the country...it’s just distasteful. It has no more relevance than the days of Empire, we’re past that now.

It has to end, and it will end eventually, everything does.

I must admit I'm surprised it is still going as strongly as it is. Back in the 60s I thought it would be gone by now but I suppose it is gradually reducing.

@motherloaded

I am yet to meet one person who can explain - let alone convince me - why the royal children are anymore special or deserving to become head of state than any other child.

There's also the small issue that someone like Andrew could have been born first.

Plus the fact that the royal family has proven how little they bring to the country during the pandemic. It was their chance to shine, and I don't mean anyone expected them to become a medical professional and work on covid wards. They have done nothing.

Time to go, the country will benefit financially !

People are not 'explaining' to you, or 'trying to convince you,' because we don't give a shiny shit about your opinion. OR what you think about ours.

Hope that helps.

I live in a Commonwealth country and growing up, although I like the Royal Family, and find the history, and soap opera saga of their modern lives incredibly interesting (and mildly diverting respectively ), I had always thought our country would be better off as a Republic.

This was nothing against the present Queen, who has been, and remains, arguably the most capable, devoted and hard-working British monarch in history. I do believe there is a rightful place for the RF in Britain.

But she / her heirs should not be our head of state. We’re thousands of miles away and we’ve evolved as a country so much that we should be in charge of our own affairs. Indeed we are, and our head of state should reflect that.

Four years of a Trump presidency, and the idea of being a Republic feels actually repellent. Someone like him being our head of state?? That’s the much touted alternative? Christ, no thank you.

People are not 'explaining' to you, or 'trying to convince you,' because we don't give a shiny shit about your opinion. OR what you think about ours.

so that's why you can't accept the idea of a referendum, got it!
That will be an interesting time when we have one....

@motherloaded You REALLY don't like people having different opinions to you do you?

And even worse, refusing to explain those opinions to you, even though you demand they do.

It must be KILLING you!

Four years of a Trump presidency, and the idea of being a Republic feels actually repellent. Someone like him being our head of state?? That’s the much touted alternative? Christ, no thank you.

The American presidency is a very different model.

It certainly is!!

[quote littlepattilou]@motherloaded You REALLY don't like people having different opinions to you do you?

And even worse, refusing to explain those opinions to you, even though you demand they do.

It must be KILLING you! [/quote]
Interesting reaction to someone just asking for the majority to decide....

Thankfully the future of the government of the UK will be based on the rants of littlepattilou on MN

@fluffysocks89

Presently there are 21 members of the RF getting round the clock protection by highly trained Scotland Yard officers. They work in shifts round the clock so that there is an officer for each royal at all times. Think of that if you ever struggle to get the police to come out to you.

Who are the 21 members of the Royal Family with full-time security? @fluffysocks89

As the lines are conveniently blurry between "private and public funds" when the royal family is concerned, it doesn't really make a difference anyway.

@derxa ‘ I don't want cost effective dull bores’

Do you know anything about the Irish presidents you dismiss? Highly intelligent, cultured , interesting people.
Dull bores , well I think you’ll find the royal palaces stuffed with dull people. Did you watch any of those zoom calls that W and K did ( doing their bit , we are so very grateful) ??? They were deeply dull . This is the problem the royal family and their sycophants now has- the royals are incredibly boring .
And not all cost effective but you’ve explained that money is no object to you re the royals
So when you think about it Derxa, it’s not the individuals at all that you can point to as being of value , it’s the pomp. Bread and circuses indeed.

@fluffysocks89

They also have this bizarre idea that they are right, and the Royalists are WRONG.

Please, give over calling people haters. We don’t hate them, we hate the concept of a “monarchy” and we find it “bizarre” that anyone of reasonable intelligence thinks it’s right.

You are very aggressive @fluffysocks89 when putting your point across.

I also feel that personal insults (reasonable intelligence anyone?!!) rather dilute an argument. Almost indicate that you've run out of facts to support your viewpoint?

There is still (when last polled) a majority of people in this country who support the Monarch - warts and all.

There is still (when last polled) a majority of people in this country who support the Monarch - warts and all

Yes. But as time goes on, I honestly think that view will change as the generations move on.

There is still (when last polled) a majority of people in this country who support the Monarch - warts and all.

The last referendum showed how accurate these polls can be...
I do believe many people (maybe the majority?) support Queen Elizabeth, but it would be very surprising if things. don't change drastically when she is gone.

Might work out well for people who don't believe in the concept of the royals today if our referendum is not happening straight away.

What is astonishing is people refusing to even let others express an opinion. If someone is so sure their way is right and is shared by the majority, what's the harm in a referendum? That would be the end of the debate.