Lady Colin Campbell says it was Princess Anne who made the comment

[BlackCatShadow]

There was a lot of speculation who made the comment after Harry and Meghan's Oprah interview.

She says it wasn't a racist comment. The family were concerned about Meghan in general and it has been twisted by Meghan and Harry.

I don't think Meghan and Harry are on Lady C's Christmas card list. 😲

Aside from Meghan being pregnant, I'd be surprised if Archie returns to the UK whilst relations are poor. The Monarch e.g. the Queen and eventually Charles, has legal custody of Archie until he's 18 due to his proximity to the throne, so I doubt H&M would risk being prevented from taking him back to the USA.

I said I would like to see them come over here frequently.

@jesstan2 Don't listen to rumours and definitely never repeat them!

I wasn't the one who brought up the story, I was just correcting misinformation.

[quote ancientgran]**@jesstan2* Don't listen to rumours and definitely never repeat them!*

I wasn't the one who brought up the story, I was just correcting misinformation.[/quote]
I was speaking generally not getting at you, honestly.

@BlackCatShadow

I feel this is a situation where an Oxford comma would help.

I would like to see him, Meghan and Archie come over here frequently.

I would like to see him, Meghan, and Archie come over here frequently.

Why? The Oxford comma makes no difference to meaning here.

I didn't know that about custody over Archie. If that's indeed the case, then I'm not sure I blame Meghan for hot-footing it out of the UK with Archie in tow and I would think it safe to assume that he won't set foot on these shores for many years to come.
That said, I think it highly unlikely/impossible that the monarch (be that the Queen or Charles) would EVER act upon it.

Why? The Oxford comma makes no difference to meaning here.

The first time I read it like this:

I would like to see him; Meghan and Archie come over here frequently.

Which is quite different to what the OP meant. I assumed other posters may have made the same mistake.

@BlackCatShadow

I feel this is a situation where an Oxford comma would help.

I would like to see him, Meghan and Archie come over here frequently.

I would like to see him, Meghan, and Archie come over here frequently.

That is what I said on previous page; quote:

"I would like to see him, Meghan and Archie come over here frequently ".

It seems clear enough to me that I meant, 'Harry, Meghan and Archie', in the context of what we were discussing.

Let's move on though, what will be will be.

@CallmeHendricks

I didn't know that about custody over Archie. If that's indeed the case, then I'm not sure I blame Meghan for hot-footing it out of the UK with Archie in tow and I would think it safe to assume that he won't set foot on these shores for many years to come. That said, I think it highly unlikely/impossible that the monarch (be that the Queen or Charles) would EVER act upon it.

Indeed, I was quite when I found out and I absolutely think this is why they so abruptly left and why Archie hasn't returned.

I wouldn't think Harry was so concerned about the Queen, but possibly Charles or more likely William due to the extent of bad feeling around Meghan - and both have considerable influence as the Queen has delegated more of her role to Charles. It's also quite possible that William will ascend the throne whilst Harry's kids are under 18.

I don't think for a minute that the Queen or Charles would try to take custody of Archie. I don't think William would do it but even if they feared that there was no rush was there, there would have to be two deaths before that became an issue.

I don't believe any of them would do it but even if they wanted to they know there would be an outcry.

I assume they are keen to establish residence in the US for Archie as part of the Hague Convention. Whatever went on, I don't think this split is going to be easily healed. Meghan seemed very upset and bitter in the Oprah interview. I don't think she wants anything to do with the Royal Family ever again. Harry and William may be able to heal their rift, but I think will take a long time. The Oprah interview was pretty brutal.

I remember, many years ago, there was an interview done with Fergie and she said something like I have to be careful what I say or they will take the girls from me. Does anyone else remember that? I also remember she had post-it notes on her clothes drawers.

the idea that they would steal a child from his mother is laughable.
can you imagine the outcry.

Was just coming onto the same the sane as Samcro it would be outrageous if they attempted to do so.

But technically is it stealing if the custody of a child vests in the crown? No idea just wondering!

I expect there's some ancient diktat that says that technically, the Monarch could do this, but of course it would never happen nowadays.
However, listening to how Meghan appears to view the institution of the Royal Family, I expect she might have fully believed they might. Who knows if Harry attempted to put her right, or if he maybe wondered himself if it was a possibility.
It's all very sad.

I agree that it is very sad and really hope the family will be united once again in the not too distant future. Lockdown hasn't helped of course.

It is a great pity that there is so much publicity. I feel it would be better if I didn't join in on threads like this because it adds fuel and at the end of the day, it isn't my business.

@BlackCatShadow. I remember, many years ago, there was an interview done with Fergie and she said something like I have to be careful what I say or they will take the girls from me. Does anyone else remember that? I also remember she had post-it notes on her clothes drawers.

I remember that . I also remember Diana wasn’t allowed to move to America with W and H .

I remember, many years ago, there was an interview done with Fergie and she said something like I have to be careful what I say or they will take the girls from me. Does anyone else remember that? I also remember she had post-it notes on her clothes drawers.

Yes and Diana was afraid of the same outcome - apparently this is why she fought so very publicly and publicised her time with the boys, it was to get enough of the general public on side that she wouldn't have residence of the heir to the throne and the "spare" to the throne removed from her. Really, no wonder she was so anxious, regular old acrimonious family court's bad enough.

Blimey. What a fear. They would have done it back then too. Fergie sat alone with her fingfingers and waffles and half a bottle of vodka on christmas day. Ok, she ate better than that im sure but how could they have allowed that and still maintained a higher moral high ground

When you look at the women who have successfully left - either the marriage or the country/Royal Family - it's the ones with foreign connections. This has been the case since Henry VIII.

Fergie was liked by Americans, but wasn't one of them, so there was never going to be "offence" taken at poor treatment. If she'd actually BEEN American, I'm not sure she'd have been treated so badly - not for long, anyway. Diana thought she left, but without proper security (or an income of £millions per year to pay for her own) her leaving proved to be Hotel California in the end.

@PicsInRed

Aside from Meghan being pregnant, I'd be surprised if Archie returns to the UK whilst relations are poor. The Monarch e.g. the Queen and eventually Charles, has legal custody of Archie until he's 18 due to his proximity to the throne, so I doubt H&M would risk being prevented from taking him back to the USA.

I’m sure that’s not even a thought.

Nobody would act on those technicalities now.

The last time that was discussed was in the context of Charles and Diana’s divorce and the possibility that Diana might be any to live overseas. However that was 25 years ago, William was the heir’s heir, Harry was the spare and they were both legal minors.

Now, William is still the heir’s heir, and he has three heirs of his own. Harry & Archie just aren’t very important in the succession these days, which is why their flight to California isn’t a much bigger deal than it has been.

The whole idea that the monarch has custody of royal children is about the same as the need for monarch to approve royal marriages. Purely theoretical in the twenty first century.

@ancientgran

I don't think for a minute that the Queen or Charles would try to take custody of Archie. I don't think William would do it but even if they feared that there was no rush was there, there would have to be two deaths before that became an issue.

I don't believe any of them would do it but even if they wanted to they know there would be an outcry.

If they did, the outcry wouldn't be about how they have taken the child away, it would be post upon post of how M deserved it and lots of other vile posts.

cyclingmad

Exactly, I would imagine that "sources close to the family" would cite Meghan's (and Harry's) mental health struggles, claim the children needed to be "protected" and would promise regular supervised visitation.

Diana thought she left, but without proper security

She was offered close protection, but declined it. Though she had to have it when the Princes were with her.

She did not want The Firm knowing so much about, or controlling, her movements. But of course events would have been so different had she not refused it.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1575792/Police-begged-Diana-to-have-more-protection.html

Isn't this Meghans point about her seeking help, she wanted to go somewhere like a clinic away from prying eyes but was told no. I know lots of people have said she could of had someone visit her etc. But the point I got from her interview was she wanted it away from the firm.

[quote Oldbutstillgotit]@BlackCatShadow. I remember, many years ago, there was an interview done with Fergie and she said something like I have to be careful what I say or they will take the girls from me. Does anyone else remember that? I also remember she had post-it notes on her clothes drawers.

I remember that . I also remember Diana wasn’t allowed to move to America with W and H .[/quote]
I'd be very surprised if in any family there wasn't a hell of a fight if the mother tried to move continents with her children, away from her own country and the only country her children had ever lived in, with resulting implications for the relationship between children and father, regardless of the 'status' of the family.

Imagine it: "ExW wants to take the DC to America to live - our families on both sides are UK based, none of us have any connection with the USA, the children have never lived there. AIBU to fight this?"

And that's ignoring the fact that you can't just 'move to America'.