William and Catherine

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Apparently since Prince William and Catherine released a video thanking people helping challenge the stigma of mental health through movements like Time to Change, they should apologise to Harry and Megan for not reaching out to them. Why is it everyone else's fault that Megan didn't get the help she needed apart from Harry's. Also William has reached out, but probably now doesn't trust any conversation had won't be released to the papers.

There have been plenty of William's private conversations 'leaked' to the media to paint him in a positive, vulnerable and bullied light, including these revelations in Marie Claire was it? Call me cynical but I really don't think he's too concerned about privacy, just about playing games.

Given Harry's roles in MH charities like Heads Together, why was he not the one making sure she received the right support.

Even in very tough times, I think that's much more on the spouse, not the BIL/SIL

Im actually sick of the lot if them.
You must know op, we are told what they want us to believe.
In 20 years you'll look back and wonder why we were all so stupid.

How do you know they haven’t? What do any of us know what’s gone on within the family, perhaps they just don’t tittle tattle about it.

Oh bullshit, how does anyone know what really goes on in that family! The press various websites and gossips are perpetuating hate against one woman and sooner or later their come uppance will happen.

At least that rat Morgan has stfu with his campaign of hate

This makes no sense at all.

Meghan's own mother has a degree in psychology and worked in mental health.

If she wanted help, she had plenty of places to access it.

The stigma of mental health? Do you mean the stigma of poor mental health? Mental health problems? “Mental health” without these qualifiers just sounds like your health has gone mental.

Meghan had access to the best pre-natal care in the country. She would have regular appointments with medics. Who knows what happened but going to HR?

@RunningFromInsanity

Meghan's own mother has a degree in psychology and worked in mental health.

If she wanted help, she had plenty of places to access it.

Meghan's mum seems the very supportive type - perhaps she did help her to see that she needed leave the family, if her mental health was so bad?

I agree with Op, W&K bang on about mental health so much that they could have helped M&H with their problems. It doesn't take much imagination to realise that a new person in a family like that is going to have to deal with a lot of adjustment and will need support. Perhaps they just weren't friendly to them at the time and Harry felt he couldn't approach even his own brother with his and his wife's problems. Who knows.

One of the things about mental health is being aware of the signs and symptoms, perhaps they just didn't notice, none of them are experts in any of the charities they "support", they are just figureheads they don't do any of the actual leg work, that's left to the little people. But they shouldn't harp on about it and then not even help members of their own family.

I'd love to know what mm mum said actually... Who knows but she seems very wise and grounded to me...

I've obviously got no idea at all, but the little snip bits we get, her immense dignity and strength to sit alone during her daughters wedding!!
I am sure she is a support to Harry and Megan and I imagine gives them a different perspective on life?
They don't have much support, unlike Kate whose very very lucky.... I hope mm is as lovely as she seems...

Yy though.. Once people start to give interviews, no matter how justified it is... How can one trust them... Very hard!

WinnieTheWOrm writes
"Given Harry's roles in MH charities like Heads Together why was he not the one making sure she received the right support....."

I thought exactly the same. Surely he would have the contacts needed to access the best supports.

I agree the onus should have been on Harry to make appointments / give support to Meghan is she couldn’t organise them herself. It’s not her BIL’s role to sort it or even be aware of it.

Why is it everyone else's fault that Megan didn't get the help she needed apart from Harry's

Quite. Harry was part of Heads Together. Doria has qualifications in this area. Meghan had her own midwife/obstetrician, not the usual Royal ones, chosen by her not foisted upon her by others. She had the phone number of the Archbishop of Canterbury, a mental health advocate. Presumably she was able to access general GP-style medical support, and could easily have got a referral to a psychiatrist. If she wanted to get counselling or therapy, who could have stopped her? If she wasn’t well enough to access any of those avenues, Harry could have done so, or helped her to do so.

I don’t think M&H have suggested they reached out to W&K for help?

@MissLathbury

Why is it everyone else's fault that Megan didn't get the help she needed apart from Harry's

Quite. Harry was part of Heads Together. Doria has qualifications in this area. Meghan had her own midwife/obstetrician, not the usual Royal ones, chosen by her not foisted upon her by others. She had the phone number of the Archbishop of Canterbury, a mental health advocate. Presumably she was able to access general GP-style medical support, and could easily have got a referral to a psychiatrist. If she wanted to get counselling or therapy, who could have stopped her? If she wasn’t well enough to access any of those avenues, Harry could have done so, or helped her to do so.

I don’t think M&H have suggested they reached out to W&K for help?

My view is that this wasn't the help she asked for. From the interview it sounded to me that she asked to be admitted to a clinic.

Yeah, reading between the lines, it seems she did have access to MH services but she wanted to go away to a treatment centre (probably a very expensive one) and was probably told the press would have a field day with that and to seek a more private way of dealing with the problem.

Plenty of people have MH problems and deal with them without checking in to a private treatment centre.

Yes, I agree that’s what she wanted. A first step would have been a referral to a psychiatrist, who could recommend inpatient treatment.

It’s not impossible that the RF would have vetoed this but I find it unlikely. They would have been risking her life and her baby’s life.

If she really needed inpatient treatment she should have had it, no matter the cost or optics.

My opinion is that she probably didn’t need it and wanted to go somewhere that was more of a health retreat or wellness centre, not an actual psychiatric ward where you have to do some hard work on yourself. In a way I hope I’m right, because I certainly hope she wasn’t begging for serious, urgent psychiatric treatment and being told no.

I haven’t read the whole thread and I believe the royal family is a ridiculous institution which should no longer be tolerated in a modern democracy.
I was compelled to write because I am so sick of the constant PR campaign that William and Kate are running . William in particular is not particularly likeable , he appears cold and arrogant yet boring at the same time. Those video calls from their palaces to pat the plebs on the head for dealing with the pandemic that they ( royals ) ran from were so excruciatingly boring and false.
Kate seems v brittle. That huge smile always seems painful and forced to me. The whole set up is a facade and you should give yourself a shake if you fall for it.
Royalty thrives on distance and mystery. Those days are long gone.

@MissLathbury

Yes, I agree that’s what she wanted. A first step would have been a referral to a psychiatrist, who could recommend inpatient treatment.

It’s not impossible that the RF would have vetoed this but I find it unlikely. They would have been risking her life and her baby’s life.

If she really needed inpatient treatment she should have had it, no matter the cost or optics.

My opinion is that she probably didn’t need it and wanted to go somewhere that was more of a health retreat or wellness centre, not an actual psychiatric ward where you have to do some hard work on yourself. In a way I hope I’m right, because I certainly hope she wasn’t begging for serious, urgent psychiatric treatment and being told no.

Completely agree. I've posted before about how I think that H & M think that everything they said in the interview was completely true. Except it was their truth and others had a different recollection or point of view. Like the secret marriage - true in their eyes The row with Kate - they both upset each other The lack of title - snubbed due to racism as they believed the previous rule could be changed Everything had just a bit of the truth in there. I've met a few people like this. Just a little bit of truth goes a long way.

@Taketheredpill

I haven’t read the whole thread and I believe the royal family is a ridiculous institution which should no longer be tolerated in a modern democracy. I was compelled to write because I am so sick of the constant PR campaign that William and Kate are running . William in particular is not particularly likeable , he appears cold and arrogant yet boring at the same time. Those video calls from their palaces to pat the plebs on the head for dealing with the pandemic that they ( royals ) ran from were so excruciatingly boring and false. Kate seems v brittle. That huge smile always seems painful and forced to me. The whole set up is a facade and you should give yourself a shake if you fall for it. Royalty thrives on distance and mystery. Those days are long gone.

Well today William and Kate visited a farm today. Kate drove a tractor, admired lambs and sat on bales in the middle of a cold field talking to the farmers. Kate did it all with grace and humour. I like them both very much. They are carrying on with Charles' interest in farmers and the countryside. Of course that will mean nothing to you but it means a lot to us farmers.

Can you imagine the AIBU, 'My wife needs some support for her mental health, AIBU to be furious that my brother and SIL didn't arrange it?'

It's none of our business.