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Scoobydoobywho · 26/03/2021 20:12

Apparently since Prince William and Catherine released a video thanking people helping challenge the stigma of mental health through movements like Time to Change, they should apologise to Harry and Megan for not reaching out to them. Why is it everyone else's fault that Megan didn't get the help she needed apart from Harry's. Also William has reached out, but probably now doesn't trust any conversation had won't be released to the papers.

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Cacacoisfarraige · 29/04/2021 21:21

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oneglassandpuzzled · 29/04/2021 21:25

[quote ajandjjmum]@froggygoneacourting
I really don't understand why William keeps releasing stories about how furious and angry he is with Meghan. Especially when Meghan took great pains to say that Kate's a good person.

I haven't seen any press releases along these lines - so really you're talking about gossip and presumption?

We could all put ourselves in his position, and know how we'd feel - I think that is certainly happening, without any input from anyone at Kensington Palace.[/quote]
There were stories well before mexit. Probably before the wedding of M and H. Don’t know why they’re being dug up now?

Frownette · 30/04/2021 00:25

I distinctly got the impression that with Meghan's obsession she is Diana Mark II she wanted to emulate her and go to the Priory.

She could have just phoned her doctor there was no need for this. Who on earth would phone HR first? No-one.

Anordinarymum · 30/04/2021 01:56

What I do not understand about these people is how they allow situations such as the way they handled the Thomas Markle debacle to get out of hand when they are living in a goldfish bowl?

With everything they do scrutinised by the public they seem to misread and mess up everything.
I think their egos and petty jealousies are manipulated by their own press to throw each other under the bus when they want to hide such things as affairs.
Why do they mess up all the time. Do they think we are stupid ?

MissLathbury · 30/04/2021 01:58

Who on earth would phone HR first? No-one.

Someone who knew that allegations/reports of their bullying had been made to HR might do this.

I’m not saying that’s what happened but it might explain the (very odd) reference to going to HR.

Frownette · 30/04/2021 02:24

Well you're slightly along the same lines as me @MissLathbury as you appear to agree HR is really not the first port of call and might be implausible.

Ah who knows, one thing we might agree on is that it should have been easy to reach out. I'm a pleb and even I could do that if I was in distress. I wouldn't give a damn about status if I really wanted help.

Roussette · 30/04/2021 07:07

Why is it.... on a thread entitled 'William and Catherine' it is just another excuse to lay into Harry and Meghan? All the same old stuff regurgitated.

Yet, when on a thread about H&M, if I mention Andrew (comparable as another non working Royal) I get slated for bringing him up?

But there is one statement that really is so so wrong and needs replying to.
Ah who knows, one thing we might agree on is that it should have been easy to reach out. I'm a pleb and even I could do that if I was in distress. I wouldn't give a damn about status if I really wanted help

Unless you have experience of dealing with suicidal people (I have for over 10 years) you really really should not be saying this. Every case is different. What you think you might do is not necessarily the case when you are in a dark place. So please stop spouting this nonsense. It's wrong and it's very upsetting for whoever might be looking in. If it was that easy there wouldn't be suicides at all, would there?

FrippEnos · 30/04/2021 07:11

Roussette
Why is it.... on a thread entitled 'William and Catherine' it is just another excuse to lay into Harry and Meghan? All the same old stuff regurgitated.

Because the OP mentioned both in the OP, and people have opinions on both sides.

Roussette · 30/04/2021 07:16

The thread title needs amending then.

Because this is not about W&C.
It's just another 'let's bring down M&H' thread.

OooMrRigsby · 30/04/2021 07:19

OP where did you actually get the premise of your first post from? Is it from a tabloid paper by the remotest chance? Or did you make it up all by yourself?

MissLathbury · 30/04/2021 07:24

Why is it.... on a thread entitled 'William and Catherine' it is just another excuse to lay into Harry and Meghan?

The OP is about all four for heaven’s sake.

Regarding suicidal thoughts, a difficult and sensitive topic, I am sorry but you do not get to police this and tell posters what they should and shouldn’t be saying. If a post is offensive, report it. Frownette is perfectly entitled to say what she thinks. What MM said about going to HR was ridiculous, and it is helpful for posters to say ‘actually if I felt that I would do this’ - call the Samaritans, call my GP, call my mum, my vicar - hell, maybe even call my BIL & SIL who I don’t get on with but I know they have knowledge in this area, maybe they can help me.

Roussette · 30/04/2021 07:33

As I said... the thread title needs amending then.

I'm not policing anything. That's what posters tend to say when they don't like what I say.
I strongly disagree with the premise of 'it's easy to get help if you're in distress'.
It's not. Not always.

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 30/04/2021 07:40

Why didn't Harry organise whatever help she needed? He's her husband fgs

Didn't she say in the interview she was feeling low but was made to put on a frock and go to an event? Again Harry could have intervened surely?

Why is it everyone else's fault? These are grown adults with the financial means to access whatever support was required.

Cacacoisfarraige · 30/04/2021 07:43

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Roussette · 30/04/2021 07:44

There are so many misconceptions on here.

MissLathbury · 30/04/2021 07:46

I strongly disagree with the premise of 'it's easy to get help if you're in distress'.

But nobody has said it’s easy! And if people tend to say you police threads, in the nicest possible way, maybe you should look at what you’re posting - saying ‘you really really should not be saying this’ is simply trying to shut down discussion - can you see how that comes across as policing what Frownette said? She didn’t say anything wrong or offensive.

SallyLockheart · 30/04/2021 07:51

Roussette. It’s not always easy to get help when you need it but the biggest hurdle is that first conversation. If her first call for help was palace HR - HR for palace staff - that doesn’t say much about the support provided by Harry, Doria, her friends and her own consultant selected for her pregnancy

Roussette · 30/04/2021 07:53

in the nicest possible way, maybe you should look at what you’re posting

And you don't get to police my opinion either.

It is very very wrong to say it is easy to get help when you feel suicidal. I disputed that with some knowledge, and I'll keep disputing it.

MissLathbury · 30/04/2021 08:10

Yes, I’m not trying to police your opinion.

I never said it’s easy to get help. However, which is more helpful to someone who might be feeling desperate: the idea that it’s incredibly difficult to get help, or posters pointing out that there are lots of different ways to reach out? Doesn’t make it easy, no, but it can be done.

Anyone who has read mental health threads here or dealt with issues of their own knows that NHS help can be hard to access, but it is there. However, someone with MM’s resources wouldn’t need to worry about strain on the local CAMHS team or her overworked, unsympathetic GP. So it’s ludicrous for her and Harry to say that they didn’t know what to do, and unhelpful to any ‘ordinary’ people who might be struggling.

Roussette · 30/04/2021 08:23

You didn't say it was easy to get help. However, there are posts on here that say that. Like for the person who is struggling, for them it's a piece of cake. 'Just talk to someone, just tell someone'. Well... sometimes people just can't.

I am not talking about the help that is out there, I am talking about the mental state of the person looking for help, the shame of feeling like they do, the worry of who to approach, the feeling scared and out of control.
We have no idea how it works within the RF, Royal protocols, an image portrayed, the PR machine etc.

Samcro · 30/04/2021 09:47

@Roussette

The thread title needs amending then. Because this is not about W&C. It's just another 'let's bring down M&H' thread.
we need a topic. just for the bashing threads. strange that the op titled it William and Catherine if they were so keen to have a dig at H&M!!!
Cacacoisfarraige · 30/04/2021 09:48

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MissLathbury · 30/04/2021 12:01

Rousette, I agree it can be very hard for people to ask for help. Lots of mental illnesses come with other problems too - for example somebody might be homeless, in an abusive relationship, etc. There are a lot of barriers. It’s probably never easy for anyone. That’s a reason why it’s important to highlight the help available.

No, we don’t know the setup in the RF, but I don’t believe what MM said. I don’t believe she honestly thought of going to HR for help. MM wasn’t physically locked up and deprived of contact with the outside world. She had many avenues of support open to her. It is silly to pretend otherwise. A woman who complained ‘not many people have asked if I am okay’ on camera, while touring South Africa where she spent time with women living in abject poverty, many of whom have suffered rape and sexual violence, women who can’t trust the authorities, who may have nobody to help them - well, forgive me for simply not believing that that woman found it hard to ask for help.

Why do you think she said she went to HR? Because honestly, it was such an odd thing to claim, I can’t think of a reason that doesn’t reflect badly on her.

Frezia · 30/04/2021 12:34

Well, she didn't say she went to HR first, she said she went to a senior person in the institution and told them she needed to go somewhere and they told her she couldn't as it wouldn't look right.

Then she went to HR, supposedly she wanted to check her employment rights on having the treatment? She likened it to being protected by a union in her former job which I thought was bizarre - there are no unions for duchesses and she wasn't in a hired position with employment rights.

It did highlight for me how little she was informed about her role and the setup of monarchy in general, and given that it was mainly her husband who failed to properly prepare her, it is not surprising to me that both she and Harry were lost in navigating this situation. I also understand it must have been difficult to reach out anyway, as it often is for people struggling with mental help.