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It was “, 'a bit naughty' to imply Archie 'couldn't be a prince because of the possible colour of his skin' when it was due to strict rules,...”

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RickiTarr · 09/03/2021 02:42

Hugo Vickers made me laugh with his phrasing. So British to say “a bit naughty”. Grin

Also, seriously high lights how many people don’t understand the rules or can’t explain the rules well, and no American has a hope of grasping our quaint & complicated rules and institutions, really.

Sorry, it’s the Daily Fail, but funny.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9340545/Why-Meghan-Markle-bit-naughty-referring-Archies-skin-colour-prince-discussion.html

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Roussette · 12/03/2021 18:00

Let's just leave it there shall we?

Probably best.

I've always found your posts interesting and some bits I have agreed with, and told you so, there's no need to argue about who is being the rudest.

merrymouse · 12/03/2021 18:19

@MrsGRamsay

For fucks sake - the Courtiers implied that the rules would be changed before (if) Charles ascended the throne to ensure Archie wasn’t titled as Prince.

Meanwhile, the completely pointless children of alleged rapist Andrew have had free accommodation plus security until very recently and still retain their titles.

Again, I think the Yorks are the main reason Charles wants to slim down the Royal family. He doesn’t want to repeat the mistakes that have already been made.
Blueberries0112 · 12/03/2021 18:40

I can understand Andrew but why punish his kids?

chaosrabbitland · 12/03/2021 18:43

@RickiTarr

As for the alleged comment about the baby’s skin. Horrific. I don’t know where telling us about it without naming names leaves us, though.

Harry said this was a pre marriage conversation and Meghan says it happened while she was pregnant and was connected to the discussion of titles. So this is all a point of maximum confusion. Harry and Meg are contradicting each other about when it happened and why it happened. Meg thinks it had a bearing on Archie’s lack of title. The rule book says that’s not why. None of us know who is accused of saying it nor exactly what was said. So maximum confusion about the worst allegation.

I don’t know how the hell anybody will get to the bottom of it.

Some people were saying they thought it was William.

its nothing but a confused mess , i think the bottom line is she was quick to bring it up , but then was deliberately vague about the context of the conversation and then refused to name the royal who supposedly made the comment with the crap excuse it would be too damaging for them . it was just loathsome malice to bring it up , refuse to name ,knowing she was making the whole lot of them out to be racists and causing even more damage to them then she already had . and if im not wrong i thought before the baby was born they said they didnt want a title for him , so he would have a more normal type life , funny how thats changed then .
Impatiens · 12/03/2021 19:38

@Blueberries0112

I can understand Andrew but why punish his kids?
Because it isn't a punishment, it's a practical measure.
LadyEloise · 12/03/2021 21:12

I'm sure the Middleton family are seething at the mention of Kate and the tears episode but can't speak out.

chaosrabbitland · 12/03/2021 21:15

@Mummyozzi

Wasnt Haz threatened by the Taliban and they said they wanted his head ? He faught in Afghanistan - even got pulled out of there because of the risk and was a high profile military officer, he has a mixed race wife (so target for many right crazy groups in the USA). You don't have to work for the CIA to see they're high risk. Their public profile alone. You can't benefit from media and press of the Sussexes and publicity but create this situation where they aren't secure if they're cut loose. That's almost blackmail - leave us and live on your own terms and you'll have a target on your head and your family's. It's all pretty dirty when you lift up their rug.

I don't think racism is that shocking when they're clearly protecting Prince Andrew and not exactly encouraging him to help the victim/court cases get justice.

Everyone blamed the press for Diana's death but if she'd had a professional driver trainer in tactical driving and police security, her death might've been avoided.

One might argue that taking away an 'at risk' persons security after you've contributed to building their public profile, is technically manslaughter through negligence. The government and the firm have a responsibility to the Sussexes.

I just can't help but wonder whether Diana and the muslim men goaded whoever this racist family member is !

the sussexes cut themselves loose , they were the ones who wanted to leave , not only leave ,but then live in another country , its hardly blackmail , if they want to leave they can pay for their security , once they left this country and cut ties with the family neither the goverment or the palace have a responsiblity to them .
Roussette · 12/03/2021 21:17

I'm sure the Middleton family are seething at the mention of Kate and the tears episode but can't speak out

Do you know something others don't?

Do you always believe everything reported and disbelieve everything MM says?

GetOffYourHighHorse · 12/03/2021 21:59

'I'm sure the Middleton family are seething at the mention of Kate and the tears episode but can't speak out.'

Yes or i bet they wouldn't speak out as they possibly think that the right to privacy applies to everyone. Not selectively.

RickiTarr · 12/03/2021 22:11

@LadyEloise

I'm sure the Middleton family are seething at the mention of Kate and the tears episode but can't speak out.
I think you probably arrive at a mental accommodation so you don’t spend your whole time fuming, and I feel quite sure that the Middletons have all had specialist psychological advice on coping with things, just as I’m sure William and Kate have sought professional advice on raising children in the media spotlight, helping them to understand their status and so on.
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Sprining · 12/03/2021 22:26

Meghan said Kate made her cry and then apologised with flowers.

Why would anyone be seething?

RickiTarr · 12/03/2021 22:47

@Sprining

Meghan said Kate made her cry and then apologised with flowers.

Why would anyone be seething?

I’ve got lots of sympathy for some of Meghan’s points and for MH struggles and racist comments she has faced of course, but “Meghan says” =/= “It has been proven”.

There is no way any single person in this is 100% accurate. The whole point is there is also a family dispute (or several) in this mess, and you never get anyone being 100% accurate in those.

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Thewinterofdiscontent · 12/03/2021 22:54

@Mummyozzi

I really like them. They've been through a hugely political ordeal - whether you believe the finer details or not - I definitely do. They're still a team and in love and that takes a special couple.
Bless.

The Queen and Prince Phillip have been married 74 years, happily by all accounts. Literally a lifetime.
They’ve been through close family deaths, diplomatic and political change as well as the massive attention Diana and Andrew brought on them.
Anyone worried about the Queens mental health? Or as a privileged white woman is she OK to suck it up when her grandchild and his wife publicly slag off the family to a worldwide audience ( whilst her husband is ill in hospital).

Blueberries0112 · 12/03/2021 22:56

This whole wedding drama is really none of our business. I can’t believe it is news.

RickiTarr · 12/03/2021 23:08

@Blueberries0112

This whole wedding drama is really none of our business. I can’t believe it is news.
Yes it’s kind of amazing when you think a dispute of some kind about a flower girl outfit is still being played out three years later in the global media. (Global!) OFC it’s not really about the outfit at all but it sounds so bizarre.
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purpleme12 · 13/03/2021 00:27

Do you think they really took her passport and driving licence off her
i don't get it

purpleme12 · 13/03/2021 00:45

when harry and megan kept saying they kept asking for help but they didn't get it, what do they mean
i don't get it

Blueberries0112 · 13/03/2021 01:03

Lack of communication?

Binglebong · 13/03/2021 02:11

I have been told (and no I don't know where they got it from but they have never worked at a palace!) that the conversation about Harry's children not having titles happened before H &M had even met. It was a part of the long term slimming down plan.

I cannot in any way verify that that is what happened as I was not one of the parties and even if I had been recolations vary!

the80sweregreat · 13/03/2021 02:36

The palace should have redacted the wedding row one and nipped it in the bud from the get go. They didn't. The press were setting it up as Kate v Meghan for click bait which is vile of course , but how they operate sadly :(
The racism claims and what was said there go deeper, but that does need to be resolved of course
I can't help but wonder that if M and H had got everything they wanted and the person hadn't mentioned anything about the child at all or it had been thrashed out at the time and sorted out , would they have stayed on? Made a go of it for longer? Aired their grievances in private to their family?
I think it would have been ' something else' as it's clear they both really wanted this move and all these allegations and problems have given them a platform to clear off whilst blaming everyone else so they can feel better about doing it?
I'm skeptical that someone who used to head up a mental health charity couldn't access some help for his own wife. Harry let her down there really badly. Especially as she was pregnant too.
I don't think that Royal life suited Meghan at all
It wouldn't suit a lot of people I'm sure. This was always the plan I think to live elsewhere.
It's sad there is a family rift now. Hard to deal with and may never be resolved :(

Mummyozzi · 13/03/2021 03:45

She seems more in love with being royal
and power and being a queen than with any of her family members. She signed off on Diana going out into the wild with no protection and now Harry.

starrynight21 · 13/03/2021 04:05

@purpleme12

Do you think they really took her passport and driving licence off her i don't get it
More likely that all the RF have aides / assistants who keep these sorts of documents in safe keeping. Meghan managed to continue driving and travelling overseas so she obviously had access to them. I think she was announcing this to make it sound like she was some kind of prisoner of the RF.
starrynight21 · 13/03/2021 04:09

@purpleme12

when harry and megan kept saying they kept asking for help but they didn't get it, what do they mean i don't get it
Harry has been getting therapy for years - and he is a wealthy man. Surely if his wife told him she is depressed / suicidal he'd have simply put his hands in his very deep pockets and got her the best therapy available .

I don't get it either.

Diverseopinions · 13/03/2021 05:46

I don't know why people continue to say that Harry and Meghan escaped from the Royal Family when they had published a statement saying that they wanted to carve out a 'progressive new role' ( I think it was, within the Royal Family. They wanted to operate within the family or under the brand, to put it in a modern way. They were using their Sussex Royal letter heading, and in my view wanted to be royals abroad, active and high-profile, but in a modern unfussy way which reflected 21st century attitudes instead of 18th century attitudes. More use would be made of social media and foundations for charitable work, but all under the umbrella of royalty. So when they had holidayed on Canada and came back for a short while to the UK, they had a reception at the Canadian Embassy where all the staff lined up on the swirling staircase and greeted ceremoniously the royal couple. I think they wanted that status and profile to remain, but to be like the Tate Modern to the Tate Gallery. Perhaps in time, they may have thought, the Royal Family may have seen that their way of doing things was more effective in the modern age, and may have said: " Go on, you guys. Show us how it's done, and you be our official presence in the US, while we get on with looking after the draughty palaces in the UK, and perfecting recipes for Cornish wild heather oat cakes.'
I can't see 'progressive role' as anything other than high-profile, and to do that would very much have kept them in the public eye, famous and needing security.
Twenty years ago, Sophie Wessex was well-known, but now she has succeeded in keeping a fairly low profile, only carrying out official engagements and living quietly. The same for Princess Anne. How many members of the public could name or recognise Anne's partner, or Sophie's children? Hardly any. Keeping a low profile except for official engagements gives you privacy and makes security very much easier. Doing voice-over work for Disney and speaking at high-profile ecology events gives you a whole new persona and public presence.
The point of royalty is the institution highlights achievement by ordinary citizens. They are like civic mayors who open swimming pools but don't make political decisions as, say, Andy Burnham does.
I think security and poor press are a problem for royals if they diverge from the accepted pattern but still access all the publicity that goes with royalty. If you like low, people forget you, as history has shown.

Diverseopinions · 13/03/2021 05:48

If you lie low ( typo).