So, do you believe the royal couples revelations made tonight?

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I did. felt more authentic than I've expected. You?

I don't believe that the royal family prevented her from getting help for suicidal thoughts. She must have a GP, she should have spoken to them for help; surely she could have arranged private counselling; there is always the Samaritans phone line. I'm not sure why she would go to the palace HR department for help with suicidal thoughts, I don't see it as part of their remit.

Also she made the claim that her son is being denied a title and paid-for security because he is mixed-race. If true, awful; but I do not believe that this is true.

If the royal family were so awful, why didn't they just say ok we're stepping out/back/away, the way other members of the family have done, but no they wanted a halfway system whereby they retained rights, privileges, titles, patronages, security while at the same time they intended to monetise their royal connection. If they wanted out, fine, go, be private citizens - but they wanted all the privileges but none of the responsibility, and to get privately rich off the back of being royal. The queen said no, so now they're crying about it. Truly pathetic and entitled.

That's why i referred to it as a gotcha moment.

Have some sympathy for them and their obvious unhappiness BUT why absolutely no questions on her family and the obvious issues there? Came across as a lets get digs at the Harry's family. And why would you possibly think going public about the issues you have with your father and brother think it could help that relationship heal? Bonkers thing to do and just seems money and publicity grabbing.
Would have more sympathy if they actually stayed out of the limelight like they said they wanted to do.

If there was any doubt over Harry's paternity he will have been DNA tested at birth. It's madness to think otherwise.

I'm not sure that DNA testing for parentage was widely used when he was born. If it was, maybe they did test! Do you think they would publicise the results?

@DogsAreShit

It's a lot of fucking hassle to go through if none of it is true. Why would they?

Profile and lucrative deals. Surely we are all aware of the shortage of parts for A list female almost 40 something actors, let alone a small TV series non lead actor....

@Lockdownbear

Anyone get the feeling MM thought being a Royal meant lots of money and status for nothing and was surprised at the amount of work / engagements that the working Royals are expected to carry out. And it's a job for life not just until you hit 60 and collect your pension?

If anything I think she should have paced herself a little more. She appears to be an extremely hardworking person and started out very keen to please and do all the right things but perhaps became overwhelmed.

No.

I think they had an agenda and looked for ways to make their point.

The race issue being one.

The baby and colour convo may have been a jokey comment like people can make about hair colour or texture- just kindly speculation.

Harry was 'cut off' when there was public concern about him being payrolled for his life in the US. Charles saw it as unsustainable and people were not happy.

I also don't see why M could not have accessed therapy herself with H' s support. They could have had access to a huge number of MH professionals- counsellors, psychs whatever she needed - and they could have come to her privately at the palace. Both H and W have talked openly about having therapy.

cutting off one person for no apparent reason is harsh

It was not 'no apparent reason' - the reasons were that Harry was leaving royal life and his royal responsibilities, going to live in Canada/US, and explicitly said that he wanted to be financially independent!

@LoveYourUsername

No.

I think they had an agenda and looked for ways to make their point.

The race issue being one.

The baby and colour convo may have been a jokey comment like people can make about hair colour or texture- just kindly speculation.

Harry was 'cut off' when there was public concern about him being payrolled for his life in the US. Charles saw it as unsustainable and people were not happy.

I also don't see why M could not have accessed therapy herself with H' s support. They could have had access to a huge number of MH professionals- counsellors, psychs whatever she needed - and they could have come to her privately at the palace. Both H and W have talked openly about having therapy.

No. Sorry. You don't joke about what colour a baby might come out. And if you do you need to take a long hard look at yourself.

For any normal person yes, but supporting everyone else and cutting off one person for no apparent reason is harsh

So if I had a sibling and we worked for a family company and I chose to leave you think I should then still be entitled to be paid and continue to get the perks I had when working for the company??

That's the reason his security was stopped, because he left. It wasn't done for no reason.

@LalalalalalaLand123

cutting off one person for no apparent reason is harsh

It was not 'no apparent reason' - the reasons were that Harry was leaving royal life and his royal responsibilities, going to live in Canada/US, and explicitly said that he wanted to be financially independent!

It was for no apparent reason - other royals dont work and still get supported. Why not him?

He didn't ask to be cut off. He didn't ask for his security to be removed.

@LalalalalalaLand123

cutting off one person for no apparent reason is harsh

It was not 'no apparent reason' - the reasons were that Harry was leaving royal life and his royal responsibilities, going to live in Canada/US, and explicitly said that he wanted to be financially independent!

And how many UK taxpayers would be happy to foot that bill? Quite rightly, we'd all be upset about that, especially in the situation we are with COVID.

@Same4Walls

For any normal person yes, but supporting everyone else and cutting off one person for no apparent reason is harsh

So if I had a sibling and we worked for a family company and I chose to leave you think I should then still be entitled to be paid and continue to get the perks I had when working for the company??

That's the reason his security was stopped, because he left. It wasn't done for no reason.

No, but that's not the same as being born into the royal family ffs.

@Bibidy

I genuinely can't believe people still question Harry's paternity!

The whole reason the royal family are where they are is due to their bloodline - they would NEVER allow someone else's child to be in the line of succession as it would mean another family could dethrone them.

If there was any doubt over Harry's paternity he will have been DNA tested at birth. It's madness to think otherwise.

But then what would have happened? Disown him after all the hoo-hah in the press and public??

The finances thing just shows how completely and utterly naive Harry is.

If you were about to leave a job and make an international move with a young family, the very first thing anyone would do is work out the finances. How much will the move cost, how much is the cost of living where we are moving too, how will we make ends meet.

He seemed oblivious to that and almost incredulous that the money was stopped.

They appear to have selected things to suit the message they want to send. It’s a one sided message which will probably be accepted by those in the US and of course Hollywood. I feel sorry for the Royal family who won’t be answering back. “Never complain and never explain” (the Queen).

@ShallowCoastalWaters

The finances thing just shows how completely and utterly naive Harry is.

If you were about to leave a job and make an international move with a young family, the very first thing anyone would do is work out the finances. How much will the move cost, how much is the cost of living where we are moving too, how will we make ends meet.

He seemed oblivious to that and almost incredulous that the money was stopped.

Entitlement at it's finest.

*not saying I think the rumours are true btw

Had they had a private life - would they have needed security - ? It is what Harry was used to but can the man not see that was part of the family Or Price charles has said he wants a slimmed down monarchy - I am not sure he would not have looked after his 2nd son in the interim.

They come across as petulant to me - But that said - if they can make a fortune for themselves - great , What is slightly uncomfortable is that they are trading on the RF which they chose to leave,

Well Hey Ho - all best to them

Not sure. Maybe some elements true but been exaggerated. As for Harry he looks more like James Hewitt than Charles. Even if a paternity test was done do u honestly think we would be made aware of it either way?!! They've chosen to cut themselves off from family on both sides, she's apparently not even in touch with her mum now. As for the wedding, to find out they got married 3 days before just makes a mockery out of the big day that all of us mugs as taxpayers paid for. Don't say we didn't because we will have in some way. And yes must be hard to be trapped in such a lifestyle. Edward gave it up for Wallis so there's always a way out from such I terrible life..... 😂

They demanded the exact same budget for the wedding as William and Kate got, adjust for inflation. They wanted the castle. The whole country cheered. But apparently the ordeal was just too much for them!

The mental health thing is a crock. Her husband could have taken control of that situation at any point in time. Stand up and be a man! Don't blame someone else for not helping. Harry could have stepped in properly. Out of everyone in my life, I'd expect my husband to be the one I could lean on.

@BasiliskStare

Had they had a private life - would they have needed security - ? It is what Harry was used to but can the man not see that was part of the family Or Price charles has said he wants a slimmed down monarchy - I am not sure he would not have looked after his 2nd son in the interim.

They come across as petulant to me - But that said - if they can make a fortune for themselves - great , What is slightly uncomfortable is that they are trading on the RF which they chose to leave,

Well Hey Ho - all best to them

Erm yes he's a prince ffs! Even if he never appeared in the press again there are weirdos that would find them. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

No, but that's not the same as being born into the royal family ffs.

Well of course it isn't. For starters my family would be footing the bill foelr these perks not expecting the taxpayers to do so whilst I swanned off contributed nothing to the company and lived a life of luxery on their behalf.

Do yoi genuinely think he should not be expected to foot his own security bill and him and his children and then their children should be funded by the public purse. If so at what point do you stop funding the security?

@tisonlymeagain

The mental health thing is a crock. Her husband could have taken control of that situation at any point in time. Stand up and be a man! Don't blame someone else for not helping. Harry could have stepped in properly. Out of everyone in my life, I'd expect my husband to be the one I could lean on.

I don't think it is. Like Harry said - you don't have the conversation. They clearly aren't the kind of people who discuss emotions freely.