So, do you believe the royal couples revelations made tonight?

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I did. felt more authentic than I've expected. You?

@Totallydefeated

I think they both believe they told the truth. However they’re both so emotionally damaged that all events will have been viewed through that lens, they’re likely to have interpreted meanings differently to how they were intended, etc, and may well be quite far from the objective truth.

This absolutely.

Does one care?

No one does not.

I believe she was obviously very unhappy, I believe that the Royal Family as an institution is flawed, I believe that it wasn't the life she anticipated. I also believe she is manipulating the situation ............. this interview has done more harm than good for everyone.

I think Meghan went into the RF thinking it was some episode of The Real Housewives of Windsor or Keeping up with Kate and co.

In fact, it turned out to be an episode of The Crown season 4 circa 1980 and Meghan was the one roller-skating round the palace in leg warmers.

She was intelligent and articulate and, as Harry said, should have been a breath of fresh air, a perfect advert for the RF, but they (and the tabloids) thought she was no better than she ought to be and had to pay her dues like the rest.

She had to have her 'Waity-Katey' moment, her 'Duchess of Pork' before she could become Queen of Our Hearts. So far so plus ca change - (so far, so everyday sexism).

BUT when the tabloids could ramp it up with a main-order of racism, well that's what made their situation untenable and Harry rightly said, enough is enough.

Note my question mark Tibtom!

No, I don't. Certainly not all of it.

I think its mostly a load of bilge, the main complaint seems to be demanding a title which HMQ's other GGC don't have (apart from DC of future monarch) and which Archie would have got when his GF became king. And throwing a strop about wanting the British public to fund their own security so that expense won't eat into their 'being fabulously rich celebrities' money.

If M had suicidal thoughts why on earth didn't Harry arrange help at the time or put the brakes on their public life? Was he so unaware of what was going on in his own marriage? and no mention was made of how she worked herself out of this - they had a fantastic chance on a global platform to send such a very important message to people with MH problems and they wasted the whole opportunity, which speaks volumes to me about their attitude to compassion for others.

Racism is appalling in any circumstances but I have to ask why, as two people who talk so much about service and compassion, they chose not to tackle it here? they could have done so much good for societal change and for ordinary people here and all across the commonwealth. Instead they've moved to America, which has a much much bigger problem with racism.

@daisychain01

Does one care?

No one does not.

I think most of the public won't care in a weeks time. However, if I were one of the senior royals whose name was being dragged through the mud and whose integrity is currently being questioned regarding the allegations of racism I think I'd quite rightly care for a very long time after the cameras stopped rolling. Allegations like that often never disappear which is why we have the phrase there's no smoke without fire. I think not naming the individual who made the comment is incredibly callous.

@Totallydefeated ‘I think they both believe they told the truth. However they’re both so emotionally damaged that all events will have been viewed through that lens, they’re likely to have interpreted meanings differently to how they were intended, etc, and may well be quite far from the objective truth.’

This absolutely 👏👍^^

@TonyGates

Golightly that's exactly it. They issued an announcement without agreeing it with the Queen and said that their security would continue to be funded. Harry expected it. He expected the British taxpayer to fund them living outside of the UK, anywhere they liked. Unbelievably arrogant and out of touch. And he's still whinging about it.

Yip they missed the bit that many here also miss the RF cost a lot of money, but they generate tourism into the UK.

The money they cost generally gets recycled into the UK economy too, ie the security guys get paid, but they pay tax on that money, and they'll buy stuff and pay VAT on it so the money primarily stays within the UK.

I'm surprised they thought they could expect to leave the UK and still be protected at UK expense.

I genuinely can't believe people still question Harry's paternity!

The whole reason the royal family are where they are is due to their bloodline - they would NEVER allow someone else's child to be in the line of succession as it would mean another family could dethrone them.

If there was any doubt over Harry's paternity he will have been DNA tested at birth. It's madness to think otherwise.

I think she was planting seeds and building drama from day 1. Without a doubt she knew it would end this way. Maximum drama. That’s why she needed to speak of her depression to 1. Human Resources. 2. Senior family members. 3. Diana’s friends.

Planting seeds. Spread the word. See how they’re treating me? You’re a witness to this now. Like a disgruntled employee on a mission to bring down the whole organisation because they weren’t given the corner office.

I think it's been pointed out you can't get married without witnesses.

So maybe they exchanged vows as we did in our wedding practice a few days before the church service?

But it's been expanded into some kind of gotcha moment when chatting with Oprah.

It's all intensely weird.

And at the end of the day that interview was their money shot. I am not sure what pull they will have now media wise.

You can already see that the US media has moved on. Yesterday the coverage was huge in the US. Today there is practically no US coverage.

I think they may have overestimated their star power over there.

I think most of what they said is probably true but don't think all of it deserves the upset that they feel.

Certainly re being 'cut off financially' - I would have hoped that 2 people in their late 30s would be financially independent anyway. It doesn't make me feel sorry for them that Harry's dad and grandparents aren't paying for them anymore, it's embarrassing for him to come on TV and complain about that.

@OldRailer

I think it's been pointed out you can't get married without witnesses.

So maybe they exchanged vows as we did in our wedding practice a few days before the church service?

But it's been expanded into some kind of gotcha moment when chatting with Oprah.

It's all intensely weird.

I don't think it's a gotcha moment at all. They did that for them. What's wrong with that? I wouldn't say that's a lie at all.

Maybe it wasn't s legal marriage but to them it was the more important bit.

@ShallowCoastalWaters

And at the end of the day that interview was their money shot. I am not sure what pull they will have now media wise.

You can already see that the US media has moved on. Yesterday the coverage was huge in the US. Today there is practically no US coverage.

I think they may have overestimated their star power over there.

Im pretty sure they will start dripping more poison when the money starts to run out!

This whole thing about the Archbishop is a perfect example of Megan not really understanding or misinterpreting what was going on. You have to get married by special licence in St George's Chapel, my completely non-royal friend got married there too and you have to write to the Archbishop to get your special licence since it isn't a parish church so no banns can be read. Maybe she thought that meant the legal marriage happened when the licence was signed.

You can't get married outdoors or on your own in England, maybe he blessed them at their request on the day the licence was granted, but legally or religiously that can't have been the marriage.

Well I wouldn't say it am accurate account.

More a personal interpretation of the events.

It was an accurate account.

I thought the glee with which she claimed they’d got married in a secret days before (not true) was actually insulting to all the people who supported them and wished them well and traveled to their wedding or to watch from the sidelines. Like two fingers up. Ha ha, we tricked you.

Not read thread but I feel sorry for Harry. I think all of this is for him is a result of him being born into a fucked up position (who would want to be a royal?!), hating that position with all its weirdness and limitations, his mum being killed as a result of the position she was in, and his grief and trauma around all that. Having you mum killed by being chased down, photo'd, and being a child and having to deal with all that in public, being made to walk the bloody streets as a grieving child in front of bloody wailing strangers. No wonder he's carrying all that trauma to his present and its led to this. He clearly sees all this through the lens of what happened to his mum. The security issue must be huge for him. Personally, I think we should be paying for his security. If the UK wants to have a Royal Family that people are born into and are therefore at risk all their lives, whether they leave or not, the state has to be prepared to pay to keep them safe for life. You can't have some sort of bonded servitude where you only protection if you stay.

@ShallowCoastalWaters

And at the end of the day that interview was their money shot. I am not sure what pull they will have now media wise.

You can already see that the US media has moved on. Yesterday the coverage was huge in the US. Today there is practically no US coverage.

I think they may have overestimated their star power over there.

While completely burning their bridges over here. Good work!

Vanilla my DH said that as he'd heard it reported on the radio. He's not normally remotely interested in royals.

@Bibidy

I think most of what they said is probably true but don't think all of it deserves the upset that they feel.

Certainly re being 'cut off financially' - I would have hoped that 2 people in their late 30s would be financially independent anyway. It doesn't make me feel sorry for them that Harry's dad and grandparents aren't paying for them anymore, it's embarrassing for him to come on TV and complain about that.

For any normal person yes, but supporting everyone else and cutting off one person for no apparent reason is harsh.