So, do you believe the royal couples revelations made tonight?

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I did. felt more authentic than I've expected. You?

I believe them.

I saw a couple who are sick and tired of lies and spin and wanted to tell their side of the story. No wonder they decided to leave. Who would want to live like that?!

@23PissOffAvenueWF

And Anne’s children don’t have any sort of title. What’s that down to?

Of course Andrew insisted on his girls being princesses. Because, well, he’s Andrew.

Anne declined titles for her children but the option was there. The same with Edwards children.

OK, so she declined the titles. Says it all.

Yes. Harry seemed the most protective of their life as a family. Plus I think the media did skew coverage of Meghan.
Death threats were briefly mentioned- it wouldn't surprise me in this insane world of social media.

I believe it's a mishmash of half truths, delusions and lies. Stating that Archie's first word was Crocodile indicates a willingness to embrace the ridiculous!
And moaning that your parents have cut off your pocket money when you're in your thirties is sick making.

I'm sure that some of it was true but a lot of it seemed pretty unbelievable, or incredibly thick-headed.

This idea that they were cruelly cut off from an income so they had to make a deal with Netflix, and couldn't afford to hire their own bodyguard if they felt the need? I'm sorry, they are worth enough that they can live in a way well above most people and never have to work a day. Why would they keep getting paid by the state, or get an allowance from his dad?

And as far as the title - it's been clear for some years no that Charles would like to slim down the royal family and Harry himself seems to have been behind that idea. Does he really want his child trapped in something he claimed to hate?

The stories about not being told how to act seem pretty overblown.

I was quite sympathetic when they wanted to leave working in an official role and even leaving England. I thought it would probably be very good for them and even if they just wanted to that was well within their rights. She did get as bad a time in the media as Harry's mum and aunt though and it was always likely to be that way as long as they chose to be public royals. And I think the culture shock of the royal family must have bene really significant and they didn't seem to take much time to let her acclimatise or test the waters.

But since then it really looks very much like they want to set themselves up to be public celebrities, trading on their connections, and it doesn't seem to sit well with the supposed distain for the institution. More like they want the fame and exposure but not the work and difficult elements. It's very entitled.

I don't know but someone who has worked in the US & lived in Canada had to google the UK national anthem ?

I know the title thing isn't true and he isn't entitled to be called prince and never was.

I find it odd that Doria was considered dignified when she was silent but the palace were slated for being silent.

Yes, I just don't see why would they lie about serious issues like that, so mostly yes.

@Cokie3 VOW RENEWALS?

That's interesting. I don't think any of my friends who have had a vow renewal considered it a new wedding. It was a Vow REnewal.

I'll have to ask the one whose brother, a priest, performed the vow renewal ceremony, how he regarded it.

@Nith

I think it is their interpretation rather than a faithful representation of what happened, and really the questioning was ridiculously soft. They needed someone prepared to ask why on earth their child should be a prince when other royals out of the direct line of succession aren't, why a millionaire couple still need more money from Daddy, and could it be at all possible that Meghan is the problem given her atrocious relationships with her own family.

@Nith That is such low and disgraceful victim-blaming! She has a dysfunctional and abusive family and you say it is her fault? Seriously, you should be ashamed of yourself!

By sharing that someone in the royal family was racist and then not naming them, the whole family is now tarred and everyone is speculating about who said it. People have suggested it was William on here - imagine you were William and you’d said nothing of the sort - how upset would you be that people were unfairly thinking you’d been racist if you hadn’t? This is just one example of the damage of this interview. Are the royal family now supposed to go on Oprah to share their “truth”? Where does it all end. Their interview has just led to more questions and more speculation, people are literally making stuff up to fill in the blanks.
So do I believe them? ... well I guess I believe they were sharing their truth but it’s just not as simple as that, is it.
If my sister were to go on Oprah and talk about our family she’d have a whole lot to say and yes it would be true in many ways but also extremely coloured by her perspective and the conclusions she’s drawn because of her view of things - and she has always refused to take into consideration how badly abused my mum was all her life and how she brought that into her mothering but tried her best. That doesn’t excuse the mistakes she made (and damage she did) but it can give you compassion for how hard she found being a mother herself. And then because I was the easy child (simply because that is my personality , I wanted to appease and keep quiet), my sister views me through a lens of me being the perfect golden child who had an easy time of it and emerged unscathed. Actually no - I was very damaged too, I just reacted totally differently from the way she did. I didn’t talk to her about because I was extremely private would never have been able to open up to her even if she had given me the chance which she didn’t. I cringe to think what she’d say about me if she was famous and went on Oprah. Would it be her “truth” - yes it would - but I’d have a whole lot to say in response - even stuff like she has a memory of me laughing and she claims I was laughing at her and feeling superior to her. I remember that particular incident and actually I was laughing because I was seven and my cousin was giving me a fun piggy back ride, it was nothing to do with my sister.
Anyway it’s 5am and I’m rambling but I agree with the PPs who point out there is more than one side to a story. Now members of the royal family who are trying their best to stay quiet and dignified will have to refute some of this stuff , no doubt there will then be an answer from Harry and Meghan and on and on it goes.

@Mally2020 Do you have a link for all this? Or is it as I presume, TABLOID GOSSIP from Meghan haters that you gullibly fell for?

I think they’re telling their version of events. I don’t think they’re lying.

TBH I thought the palace would offer to make Archie a prince, making an exception as was made for the Cambridge children, just because it would look bad if the first mixed-race royal didn’t get the same deal as his cousins. The rules are clear but I think they should have realised that wouldn’t make much difference to public perception.

I don’t think Harry or Meghan are great people, but they were in a toxic situation and it’s astonishing to me that anyone is surprised to hear that the royal family can be a bit racist and classist, or that the gilded cage is in indeed a cage. Quite bizarre that that’s contentious.

@swazicot -- I agree that chucking out allegations you are not prepared to follow up on sounds like half a story. & some things the truth lies half way in between. But they know the Queen etc aren't going to go on Oprah or the Today programme - so they can tell as they see it & it may be how they see it - but I suspect they know the other side will not be told. - Sad - they had so much good will I think . But hey what do I know - for all I know half the world thinks they are hard done to & loves them

@oakleaffy We must have watched a different programme...
Harry looked insecure and uncertain...meghan looked at the end like the cat that had got the canary.

I think you clearly did watch a (completely) different programme to most of us. That, or you were so desperate to see the worst that you saw things that were not even there. It says everything about you.

How come you believe absolutely everything they said @Cokie3?

@Jamboree01

I’m struggling with her being willing to take her child’s life as well.

Because? Mental distress doesn't discriminate, it can affect expectant mothers too.

I don't quite understand people saying they wouldn't lie about such serious things.

I have no idea if they are, but people do lie about very serious things like suicide. Particularly if it will get them love or power or money.

@SmokedDuck

I don't quite understand people saying they wouldn't lie about such serious things.

I have no idea if they are, but people do lie about very serious things like suicide. Particularly if it will get them love or power or money.

You're suggesting that Meghan lied about feeling suicidal and asking for help?

You're suggesting that Meghan lied about feeling suicidal and asking for help?

There are people that use suicide threats to get what they want (abusive partners are known to do this), so it’s completely possible.

Why did Meghan complain about no one teaching her the national anthem? As an actress she must have learned thousands of lines over the years.

@UsedUpUsername

You're suggesting that Meghan lied about feeling suicidal and asking for help?

There are people that use suicide threats to get what they want (abusive partners are known to do this), so it’s completely possible.

Agreed. There are even people so vile they pretend to have cancer!

They both seemed really fixated on the removal of their security, it kept coming up over and over again

Did you not know that they have had hundreds of death threats? Specifically to Meghan and Archie? The amount of hatred toward Meghan is diabolical. Calls for her to raped, etc.

Neither of them seemed to care about the titles, and Meghan repeatedly said she only cared about the security that came with the titles. She would happily have the security without the titles. She wanted the security, and rightly so, if you read a lot of the sickening messages about her and Archie. She is genuinely terrified for her and Archie's/and Harry's lives.

Weelllll - Samantha Markle has disproven some of Meghan's claims here www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9340147/Meghan-Markles-half-sister-Samantha-slams-Oprah-interview.html
Apologies for it being the Daily Heil, but they do always seem to have the gen!
There's a list of "fact checks" at the bottom too.