Sit tight, she’s on...

[HeathIns]

Oprah is annoying me already.

Oof when Harry implies that boy and a girl is better than two boys... MN Pitchforks at the ready, folk!

Harry complaining that his father had financially cut him off..... This is a fully grown man, pushing forty, of unimaginable wealth and privilege, moaning that dad has cut him off. Actually moaning that he won’t get the British public to pay for his security any more, even though he is no longer working for Britain and has quite enough cash to pay his own way. I know he is famously thick but he is also utterly spoiled and out of touch.
I didn’t watch the whole thing, too cringey , but I have read the transcript. They are a pair of self-centred dim wits. I had sympathy for Harry as the child of a very bad marriage who then lost his mother so young, but he really is clueless.
Diana was also a not-very-clever child from a terrible marriage, It is all very sad in many ways but Harry needs a massive shake up. They are a selfish pair, and seem totally ill suited. She seems to bring out all his anxieties about his mother and he looks miserable.

@SocialistSloth

The thing about the baby's skin might have been an innocent comment.

Er, in what way would a comment about the colour of a yet to be born baby's skin colour be innocent in this situation, ffs.

I'm mixed race, my son, who has a white father, is a bit darker than me, my daughter is a bit lighter; her husband is white and when she had children of course we wondered if they'd have dark hair/curly hair (like me)/darkish skin/look Spanish/Middle Eastern/Indian like her! These kinds of conversations are quite normal in mixed race families. The "I don't see race!" virtue-signalling is far worse. Of course you/we do.

OK, we aren't royals but I could well imagine speculation being perfectly innocent; they are only human. Or perhaps it wasn't. We'll never know, but should avoid jumping to the worst conclusions.

^The thing about the baby's skin might have been an innocent comment.^
If it was said to Harry as something he should consider before continuing the relationship it was racist.
I don't think it was said in any other way.
I'm confused as to why people find this hard to believe, wasn't philip a raging racist.
You learn what you are shown.

@Emeraldshamrock

^The thing about the baby's skin might have been an innocent comment.^ If it was said to Harry as something he should consider before continuing the relationship it was racist. I don't think it was said in any other way. I'm confused as to why people find this hard to believe, wasn't philip a raging racist. You learn what you are shown.

I’m thinking not William or Charles.

Firstly, I think people born in the 1980s (William) and 1940s (Charles) usually do have very different social attitudes to those born in the 1920s (Philip). Most of us have different beliefs to our grandparents.

Then considering Charles, don’t you remember the absolutely gigantic fuss in the 80s/90s when Charles announced his intention to to be “defender of faiths” (all faiths) instead of “Defender of the Faith” (Anglican church) when he came to the throne? There was such a stink. I was young and remember asking about the Defender of the Faith thing and what it meant and why all the fuss, and being quite shocked at the explanation. The mainstream view then was that he had taken leave of his senses in wanting to represent Catholics, Methodists, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, etc, etc. It was treated like an outrageous thing. He was clearly ahead of his peers.

Also his interest in inner city youth from the 70s onwards doesn’t suggest bigotry to me. I think he is as liberal as someone of his background will ever be.

William has had a slightly more “normal” upbringing than Charles, is of the under 40 demographic, and has said various liberal things over the years. I don’t get bigotry vibes from him, either.

So whatever was said, I am looking elsewhere for the culprit.

The whole saga of who made who cry - how did this story get out in the first place ? . I take it the hoo ha didn’t take place in the middle of Sainsbury’s for all to hear , so someone must have leaked it . I wonder who ?

The palace used "an impeccable source" to leak it.

OW has said they told her it was not Philip.

@ChocolateSantaisthebestkind

OW has said they told her it was not Philip.

The fact it wasn’t Phillip that made a comment on race was the most shocking thing coming from the interview.

The fact it wasn’t Phillip that made a comment on race was the most shocking thing coming from the interview.

@Bluntness100

I think it’s interesting if you watch Oprah. Not the pretend shock at some of the claims Meghan made, but the rest of the time. Actually watch her reactions.

Oprah is a shrewd woman, and you can see her looking at Meghan likes she’s trying to work her out, to understand what she’s doing, her objectives.

Oprah knows full well she was invited to that wedding and didn’t know them, she also knows anything what went on behind the scenes, any conversations.

She played her part, and did her job, but you could see it in her face. A sort of narrow eyed “what are you doing” look.

Harry has put every single one of his eggs in meghans basket. He’s burnt so many bridges now, and it was very very clear that he was not the orchestrator of that interview. He’s clearly hurt and damaged by what’s occured, but that interview was all about Meghan,

@Bluntness100 Meghan had known Oprah before the wedding. But apart from that, Doria (and as Mother Of The Bride she would have had the right to invite her friend Oprah so I think Oprah was more Doria's ) had known Oprah for a few years - both being members of the same church congregation, and the fact that Doria is a makeup artist (hence her and Oprah crossing paths professionally, not just religiously).

It's interesting the sexism by Meghan's detractors who see Harry as a helpless male being lead by a succubus with a media agenda. Harry has always hated the media (if I recall correctly, Harry smashed a camera into a tabloid photographer's face?), it's clear this is his choice. But if it makes you feel better to falsely blame Meghan for all of Harry's grown adult decisions, fine, but you look immature and ridiculous.

@MaMaLa321 Er, the difference is neither you nor your family are torn to shreds by the gutter tabloid press and getting DEATH THREATS by the ordinary public.

@HeathIns

You can literally see my first post before you click!

It depends what kind of device you are using. I had to open the post to see that it wasn't worth opening.

I know a white woman who wasn't quite sure which of the men she'd had flings with, was the father of her baby. So the first thing she asked when the baby came, after being told he was a boy, was "what colour is he..?" He's black/coloured, and absolutely loved and cherished before he was even born.

When I read MM was pregnant, it did make me wonder if baby Archie could be darker than his mum, and that led me down a google rabbit hole of genetics etc. This has always fascinated me. My own ds is blonde, despite me and my siblings, both my parents, all four great grandparents, and all but one great grandparent, being dark haired (and my ex being a random blonde, amongst a lot of red heads and brunettes too).

I think musings about colourings can be totally innocent. It all depends on how it was asked/said. If it was indeed asked because the person in question was "concerned" about their being someone coloured in the family, and tarnishing their reputation or some shit, that's racist and horrible.

*all four great grandparents,

[quote Claudia84]@Seasthedaytoday“ I think everyone has discussions when pregnant wondering what a baby will look like. I don't think its racist for someone to discuss whether a baby may be dark like their mum or maybe a red head like their dad? I know I had those conversations about my children.”

Yes they do, but do they also talk about how that might ‘look’ for the family business?
If it was totally innocuous I doubt Harrybwould have bought it up but he said it made him uncomfortable and so it clearly wasn’t “oh I wonder if he’ll have your eyes”![/quote]
OK well thats different. I was working yest so will catch up later...

@ChocolateSantaisthebestkind

OW has said they told her it was not Philip.

I was wondering who the Other Woman was for a minute then! 😂

@Puzzledandpissedoff Not sure what was 'odd' about that. I found it refreshingly self-sacrificing. Something I cannot imagine any (every man and woman for himself) other royal doing.

@AliceLives2021 Anyone who believes anything Samantha said is a gullible fool indeed. And simply desperate for Confirmation Bias, while throwing logic and all reason aside.

Add in the sexism of "SHE split him from his family", rather than a man defending his wife's honour above all else, which, after all, is what we laud men on here for, and call them spineless when they won't stand up to their mother/family who is upsetting their wife.

The sexism, misogyny and blatant hypocrisy (based almost 100% on RACISM, in my view, this thread and others like it have proved that to me in spades) and cognitive dissonance on here is unreal. Harry is doing what we all advocate HUSBANDS DO on here. But because it's Meghan, the husband standing up to his mother/family and defending his wife all of a sudden is a 'bad' thing. You people are such hypocrites you can't even see it.

Meghan didn't 'split his family up', her HUSBAND decided to step up and put his WIFE and child first!

@GoodQueenAlysanne

I know a white woman who wasn't quite sure which of the men she'd had flings with, was the father of her baby. So the first thing she asked when the baby came, after being told he was a boy, was "what colour is he..?" He's black/coloured, and absolutely loved and cherished before he was even born.

When I read MM was pregnant, it did make me wonder if baby Archie could be darker than his mum, and that led me down a google rabbit hole of genetics etc. This has always fascinated me. My own ds is blonde, despite me and my siblings, both my parents, all four great grandparents, and all but one great grandparent, being dark haired (and my ex being a random blonde, amongst a lot of red heads and brunettes too).

I think musings about colourings can be totally innocent. It all depends on how it was asked/said. If it was indeed asked because the person in question was "concerned" about their being someone coloured in the family, and tarnishing their reputation or some shit, that's racist and horrible.

Please stop using the term 'coloured' it is outdated and offensive

Oh stop with the armchair diagnosis fgs. A strong, confidant woman not putting up with the disgusting and despicable treatment of her and her family does not make a narcissist.

Can I point out (for the hundredth time) Meghan’s job, and the only way to make money is to do interviews, make podcast, make a deal with Netflix.

No one wants the U.K. to pay for them, so she’s got to make money somehow!