Sit tight, she’s on...

[HeathIns]

Oprah is annoying me already.

Surely the issue of security is a bit disingenuous? Even if Archie would not receive publicly funded security as he was not a prince, and they had to pay for it themselves (like Andrew pays for B&E), it’s all public money anyway as they receive their income through Charles who receives his through the sovereign grant and his tax free dutchy??

@Lavanderrose the RF don't and can't rebut every ridiculous claim that made against them. They'd do nothing else otherwise, and it would only feed the fire anyway.

I remember when Harry put out a statement years ago saying "Leave my girlfriend alone". I've always followed the RF and I remember thinking "you have a girlfriend? She's being followed? Racism? What?". He only drew attention to it all

@CoronaIsShit

Did anyone else catch the laughing and hand over mouth at the very end? Wow!

No....As was looking at computer.. but hand over laughing mouth isn't a look that engenders trust.

@VanillaIce

It would not be “different from protocol”. It’s dreadful that she’s implying this was racially motivated. The baby was never going to be a prince.

The baby was always going to be a prince. The RF broke their own royal protocol. To imply this wasn't racially motivated, when it ever so clearly was, is disingenuous at best and dreadful.

@Frequentflier

I think it is possible to believe that the Royal Family are racist snobs and the British tabloid press racist bullies, while also thinking Meghan is a complete drama queen. This is a clash of cultures. She wants to speak her truth and be welcomed into a v British institution. Sadly life does not work that way.

I think this hits the nail on the head.

I think they probably have said it how they see it, but I also think they have created a reality for themselves by obsessively poring over every little nuance and twinge of frustration until they reached a conclusion that satisfies the agenda that suits them. They have clearly been shocked by not getting their own way, not having their demands/ requests met and have now made a gestalt that fits a narrative that makes them feel good. It’s what we all do to some extent, but not so publicly and from such an already privileged position. Their self awareness is non existent, their self belief is immeasurable.

I do agree with the anger over the tabloid racism which was disgraceful and should have been challenged by the RF, and by the GBP and for that failure we are all remiss.

I was kind of wondering whether that was Oprah’s masterstroke Pimlicojo but I haven’t seen it picked up anywhere. Thought it odd not to cut before that considering the subject matter/allegations .

@LarryUnderwood

I thought it was interesting and have a lot of sympathy for them. For me the really salient points were: The institution (be that family or staff) have the ability to influence, feed and kill stories in the press, and chose not to use this ability to protect Meghan The security is linked to title, and position within the family, rather than whether the security is necessary in the face of a threat. Security at that level is costly enough to swallow even a substantial fortune. So to what extent is security being used as leverage to keep RF members in line? Not Harry's fault he was born a prince - i would expect him to have security provided as long as there is a risk because the risk is a result of his position not his actions. There is a MASSIVE cultural divide that the RF need to get to grips with if royals continues ie to marry non-royals. I can well believe that both Harry and Meghan felt like they knew what to expect - Harry because he has no way of knowing what is common knowledge and what is insider knowledge, and Meghan because, well - you don't know what you don't know. Kate has had all this training because she's going to be queen - but also she's been around this since she was a young adult. In a sense she's spent her whole adult life immersed in the RF. Meghan has had none of that, obviously she'd need more help. I think the RF senior staff have a lot to answer for here...

It was the Queen who advised William to take a break from Kate before they married. I wonder if she advised Harry similarly? It is a possibility that advice and help was on offer, but was not accepted. They did rush into marriage.

I find it hard to believe that Megan did not have staff who could have cared for her if she was unwell, but perhaps she did not trust anyone?

If Megan was able to have a good relationship with her own family, she would have been better placed to have a good relationship with someone else's family. You can tell the relationship with Oprah isn't exactly warm. Very strange to do that interview and not be paid.

If Kate made her cry over not being happy with the flower girl dresses...it's a bit much but I guess there's two sides to the story

@Bluntness100

I don’t think that interview was a good idea, it was really gossipy in parts, very self indulgent in others . And to talk so personally and publicly about your family like this, in such a negative manner, that’s a fatal blow.

I think there was a key vein of truth running through it, and critical points raised, although some nuances will be their interpretation of it, their truth, their perception and of course rhe royal family will have a different perception.

Ultimately though the royal family is more than an institution. This is still Harry’s father, brother, grandfather, grandmother. That’s who they were publicly attacking in front of the world. And it was clearly aimed at Charles and William specifically and everyone else, the rest of his family, was simply collateral damage.

For a couple who wanted to avoid media intrusion, to wish a private life, the nuclear level of escalation here is hard to comprehend.

Nail hitting head.

dont see the point of it all and its still his family what do they think will happen what do they want out of it

I wanted to have sympathy with them but it was like victimhood bingo. Just too, too much. Not sure what to think.

@Cokie3 even William's children were not automatically prince/Princess but they were given that as he's the direct heir. The only time this would have changed is when/if Charles ever becomes King.

Very sad bit at the end though, when Harry was asked "What delights you?" and looked so uncomfortable as he fumbled for a reply

But I thought the bit that really stood out here were Meghan's words "I think that all of those things that I was hoping for have happened"

No kidding ...

@Cokie3 Archie and the new baby girl are GGC not GC of the reigning monarch, they are not in the immediate line of succession. The Queen issued LPs to say that all of the Cambridge DC would be P/Pcess because George is entitled as a direct heir, to make the children equal. Charles has said for years he intends to slim down the monarchy. The Sussex DC will be P/Pcess when Charles ascends the throne. Fuck all to do with race.

If Kate made her cry over not being happy with the flower girl dresses...it's a bit much but I guess there's two sides to the story

Which is why we are now hearing Ms side as opposed to the side that M made K cry.

BUT Meghan is saying that they wanted to change that law so Archie wouldn't become Prince and that was due to his race

It is widely reported Charles wants a slimmed down monarchy, probably as knows best way for monarchy to survive (the King of Sweden removed Royal titles from his five Grandchildren
in 2019, see link below). So feels more probable any discussion to possibly not give Archie a title in the future was this than the shocking accusation that it was because of his potential skin tone - but obviously I can’t say for sure.

www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a29386922/king-removes-swedish-royal-children-titles/

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Very sad bit at the end though, when Harry was asked "What delights you?" and looked so uncomfortable as he fumbled for a reply

But I thought the bit that really stood out here were Meghan's words "I think that all of those things that I was hoping for have happened"

No kidding ...

Yes....Meghan has got all she hoped for...and Harry...He will be discarded like an old snakeskin, sloughed off when the next man comes on the scene.

Surely the issue of security is a bit disingenuous? Even if Archie would not receive publicly funded security as he was not a prince, and they had to pay for it themselves (like Andrew pays for B&E),

@Scrambledbeans what you mean how Andrew pays for it now his dc are adults?

@HeathIns

I think Harry is depressed and not for the reasons he thinks.

I think you could well be right.

Why should the UK pay for their security if they are not representing the UK? If they had stayed, Harry would have had security and they/Charles could have paid for any extras needed. Cake and eat it springs to mind.

The baby was always going to be a prince. The RF broke their own royal protocol. To imply this wasn't racially motivated, when it ever so clearly was, is disingenuous at best and dreadful

Firstly Prince Charles has always been vocal about slimming down the monarchy, long before Harry met Meghan, and secondly nothing has happened yet. No protocol has been broken. The child was never going to be styled Prince until his grandfather was King.

If Kate made her cry over not being happy with the flower girl dresses...it's a bit much but I guess there's two sides to the story

I don’t think this was anyone business. So they had a bad moment with each other, you can get over it. No one died over a dress or tights.

The RF should have spoke out against the abuse Meg was suffering and corrected the false narratives.

This, but the sycophants just ignore this part.