Harry & Meghan - to hope the Royals answer back?

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I think the allegations in the Oprah interview are serious enough that protocol should be breached and the Royals should have a voice to give their side too.

This op even knew the problem that was coming, back in 14 Jan 2020.
So why couldnt Harry and Meghan?
Before making a big move of any kind, it is wise to do your financial sums.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_royal_family/3795043-Harry-and-Meghan-resigning-Act-4-the-Price-of-Freedom

You don’t exactly come across as underinvested yourself, math!

Another report in today’s Times with a police source saying that the security threat was less once H and M stopped working as royals, as ascertained by the JTAC. Which utlises US intelligence services.

It's been explained plenty of times, and Harry said it. Their threat level has not changed.

They need to be protected due to their proximity to Queen and future kings. They do not need to live in the UK for that. They would be protected in the same manner as embassies and diplomats etc. They are high target individuals.

As for living in the UK, Charles cannot be angry, he is the one that did not make sure to protect them from the smear campaign that he could have stopped - then they would not feel the need to leave.

It's utter spite.

To pay 300K for Andrew security and then say you have no money for MM, she must go acting, you then allow leaks from your own organisation to smear them while making sure Andrew is protected, then you leave them hanging with all the threats you could have prevented , without security.

All this spitefulness and petty is the RF's own undoing.

[quote pabloescobarselasticband]@mathanxiety so it's spiteful of the uk public? Not so spiteful when we paid millions for that wedding though were we? [/quote]
And we got our moneys worth back plus some in the revenue it generated.

What was spiteful however, was complaining about Frogmore when in the same financial year we paid for the following :
1M for KP driveway
1.4M for a mausoleum
1.4 M for roofs for stables

All the above do not have ppl living in them. So for 2.4M we complain where Harry and his family will live. He paid it back. HMQ and Charles did not even try to make ppl reason here.

@Mummy195

It's been explained plenty of times, and Harry said it. Their threat level has not changed. They need to be protected due to their proximity to Queen and future kings. They do not need to live in the UK for that. They would be protected in the same manner as embassies and diplomats etc. They are high target individuals.

As for living in the UK, Charles cannot be angry, he is the one that did not make sure to protect them from the smear campaign that he could have stopped - then they would not feel the need to leave.

It's utter spite.

To pay 300K for Andrew security and then say you have no money for MM, she must go acting, you then allow leaks from your own organisation to smear them while making sure Andrew is protected, then you leave them hanging with all the threats you could have prevented , without security.

All this spitefulness and petty is the RF's own undoing.

The actual experts, the JTAC, not the RF, ie, the intelligence agencies, say that the threat has changed.

They are impartial.

Was talking to some people in real life about this, including millennials (!!) and they all agreed that talking about the row with Kate was bad form, and clearly designed to “get back” at her and William somehow. It was a row that was supposed to have been resolved, so that should have been that. If Meghan wanted to correct palace implications or non-denials she could have picked up on other things I’m sure. But to name and shame her sister-in-law, well, that’s a relationship down the drain.

I still don’t understand how Harry could allow the trashing of his family. No one is wholly cartoon villainous. I wouldn’t want to hurt dh or damage his family relationships by a public calling out of their behaviours.

I was thinking about the security costs last night and it occured to me if PC does want to agree to UL funds to pay because they have left the UK and Meg and Harry don't want to pay because they felt the threat to them remained. Why on earth didn't they agree to a compromise.

Why go on TV and moan they were cut off instead of saying we know we have the funds but because who Harry is, is a situation not of our own making we don't want to pay a penny. Wouldn't it have been better to say it's a complicated situation due to the fact we left the Uk and obviously still want to be well known figures making us a target but all we wanted was to come to a join agreement i.e maybe PC could meet us half way.

Wouldn't asking for a compromise have been a much more logical idea. Rather than expecting it to all be paid for?

Would security also cover if Megan was to take up an acting job - would there be security on location as well as at home for Harry and school for the children?

Even if the British public paid for their security they would find something else to moan about.
No one has explained the 2 weddings yet either.

I think the CofE should explain what happened.

@IrmaFayLear

Was talking to some people in real life about this, including millennials (!!) and they all agreed that talking about the row with Kate was bad form, and clearly designed to “get back” at her and William somehow. It was a row that was supposed to have been resolved, so that should have been that. If Meghan wanted to correct palace implications or non-denials she could have picked up on other things I’m sure. But to name and shame her sister-in-law, well, that’s a relationship down the drain.

I still don’t understand how Harry could allow the trashing of his family. No one is wholly cartoon villainous. I wouldn’t want to hurt dh or damage his family relationships by a public calling out of their behaviours.

At the end of the day, everything that was said on the interview, was really private matters between a family. The way they are going, they will end up in exactly the same situation with the rf, as with her family.

Even if the British public paid for their security they would find something else to moan about.

I think that's a pretty fair assessment. If it wasn't the security costs it would have been something else and the fact security was paid for wouldn't have been mentioned at all as it does play into the victim narrative they seem to be trying to maintain.

@Same4Walls

I was thinking about the security costs last night and it occured to me if PC does want to agree to UL funds to pay because they have left the UK and Meg and Harry don't want to pay because they felt the threat to them remained. Why on earth didn't they agree to a compromise.

Why go on TV and moan they were cut off instead of saying we know we have the funds but because who Harry is, is a situation not of our own making we don't want to pay a penny. Wouldn't it have been better to say it's a complicated situation due to the fact we left the Uk and obviously still want to be well known figures making us a target but all we wanted was to come to a join agreement i.e maybe PC could meet us half way.

Wouldn't asking for a compromise have been a much more logical idea. Rather than expecting it to all be paid for?

Since Charles stopped taking calls and just cut off the amount, I don't suppose there was a chance for negotiations.

Even if the British public paid for their security they would find something else to moan about.

I highly doubt it was as dramatic as I'm cutting you off and then he immediately stopped taking calls. Nevertheless even if that was what happened have these people never heard of email or text. I believe Meghan's also quite fond of writing letters and has beautiful penmanship so that could also have been an option?

I also sceptical it was an option as if they had been open to compromise surely they would have mentioned that in the interview?

Appologies the quote above should have been

Since Charles stopped taking calls and just cut off the amount, I don't suppose there was a chance for negotiations.

He didn't just cut off the amount like that and stop taking calls. I expect it was, after a certain period of time and seeing how this was maybe going to play out if rumours at the time were to be believed, that it was more a case of Charles asking Harry to put any further requests in writing to him - I can't imagine why Charles would ask that wink].

Nothing will solve this until ITV brings back Jeremy Kyle. Let's get the lot of them on creepy Graham's lie detector. Sorted.

@Lampzade do you feel that way about al the other royals who dion't get tax funded security?
Harry and megan have money , why not pay it themselves rather than let another person pay ?
They were also free to work and make deals as they have done.
Tough choices have to be made about security and the expense and difficulty of the met security abroad is immense.
Where was your outcry when Charles stopped Beatrice security etc ?
Harry had nice inheritance etc not like he only has a £5 in the bank

The whole point she emphasised about the Kate making her cry thing is that the exact opposite was reported of what actually happened. Why?

Someone said "Kate and Meghan had words at the dress fitting and one of them ended up in tears," and EVERYONE assumed it was Kate in tears and Meghan was the bad guy. Why? Meghan was annoyed that no one corrected this and I don't blame her.

And in threads on here - people are declaring: "they both cried." On what evidence? They just will not have it that for a brief postnatal exhausted moment Kate was not very nice to someone, which she later apologised for!

I think it's really an important point: that if the press don't like you, it doesn't matter what happens it will be twisted to make you the villain. And if they do like you, whatever you do it will be twisted to make you look like a hero or victim.

@Mummy195 the queen apparently now pays andrew security or maybe he eve pays his own like he does for his girls.
The queen does not pay fir other grandchildren of which Harry is one of many.
The RF don't even totally decide who gets the security and its decided by others
The rest of the RF also will be a risk as will lots of prominent people like certain politicians etc
Again we are not talking about people that can't fund themselves
Maybe charles did stop talking his calls who knows , we will never hear the other side.
There are always 2 sides to a story and I don't instantly jump in and believe one over the other.
On this issue though the protocol is clear

@Stratfordplace the forces crowd I know IRL are all massively taking the piss out of him, former officers offended at the damage he's done to his country's and family's reputation, plenty being said about forgetting his 'oath' in amongst the memes. None of them would want to work for him. I think you're right too about them finding something to complain about even if we did pay their security, they've cemented victimhood as their selling point.

@lightand they already have the same situation with his family as with hers, its not the way its going, its done. The same with his circle of friends - binned, apparently. A pattern is emerging. Hollywood A listers and other HNW individuals take note.

Charles didn't stop lines of communication, he likely just didn't want bombarding with calls and having heard their grievances who can blame him, especially at his age, for asking for communication in writing. Accusations of racism incidents should have been laid out in writing. Its also sensible advice often given on MN to anyone who is receiving abusive or overwhelming contact to restrict it to written communication only.

Since Charles stopped taking calls and just cut off the amount, I don't suppose there was a chance for negotiations.

It’s staggering to me that anyone would just swallow this sort of claim hook line and sinker when it’s indisputable that some allegations made were demonstrably untrue, and others completely lacking credibility.
The cost of the monarchy to the taxpayer is a massive bone of contention. The security costs surrounding the RF have often been publicly criticised and debated. Every time there’s a wedding or big event there is a detailed breakdown of the cost to the taxpayer in the press. It is inconceivable that the British taxpayer would accept funding the massive security costs of H&M as private citizens.

I wouldn’t have talked on the telephone at that point - calls can be taped. I’d have told Harry a face-to-face conversation was vital.

It was reported that Meghan wanted to “dial in” to the Sandringham summit. I don’t think that would have been appropriate whoever she was. It was for Harry to sort out as it was his family.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/angry-prince-andrew-pay-three-778240

This from 2012 about Princess B & E security.
If H&M want 24hour security then they pay for it as Prince Andrew was forced to do when their security was removed. If we provide it to H&M as non-working Royals then what's to stop Princess Eugenie saying 'hold on a minute I've now got a young family I would like paid for protection too'.
I'm sure it's a massive disappointment for Harry but it shouldn't be a surprise. I think he needs a reality check because he has expectations and entitlements that are above his grade.

It’s staggering to me that anyone would just swallow this sort of claim hook line and sinker when it’s indisputable that some allegations made were demonstrably untrue, and others completely lacking credibility.

Indeed I said much earlier in the thread if you want people to believe what you're saying then don't tell lies.

It's not rocket science that people will doubt everything you say when it's shown that some of it is untrue. Their more serious claims might well be 100% true but by lying about stupid little things they have made it impossible to tell which parts are them lying and which parts are them being honest.

they've cemented victimhood as their selling point

So spot on and succinct. They're not just a couple of over-entitled wingeing fools (tho they certainly are) they've obviously made a conscious decision that sob-stories are where the big money is.