Harry & Meghan - to hope the Royals answer back?

[DontReallyCareBut]

I think the allegations in the Oprah interview are serious enough that protocol should be breached and the Royals should have a voice to give their side too.

@hannayeah

I’ve been so good about not commenting!

But please don’t take one person’s word regarding what the US media is writing about this nor how Americans feel about it.

The tone in the media along with feelings of Americans is as broad and varied as it is in the UK.

Absolutely

From what I have been reading today the American people seem to be more interested in Britney and her father at the moment

Yeah we knew it was bs hannayeah

@mathanxiety I don't judge america I was simply stating as you said if you rely wholly on the press
America is vast and one area is completely different to another that much I am aware
I have only been once to detroit for the day so have no real knowledge
In all honesty of you ask me what comes to mind first about the us , I would prob say disneyland

But please don’t take one person’s word regarding what the US media is writing about this nor how Americans feel about it.

It's all online, for anyone who is interested.

There are several different Americas, in case you haven't been watching news on TV for the last few years.

I don't judge america I was simply stating as you said if you rely wholly on the press

And Americans tend to rely wholly on the press and media content for their impressions of the rest of the world, so the interview had an effect.

The tone in the media along with feelings of Americans is as broad and varied as it is in the UK.
Like anywhere everyone has an opinion , it would be a boring world if we all thought the same

And Americans tend to rely wholly on the press and media content for their impressions of the rest of the world, so the interview had an effect.
Im sure it did on some and I bet their are others who do not care
Like here people on both sides and then people who don't care or take no notice
Im not sure my 17 year old could even name more than about 5 royal family members

@mathanxiety the interview had effect here as well hence all the coverage
Personally I hope they can sort it out between them now and move on, our papers can find something else to write about ,

...since you seem so knowledgeable about it all, who would have provided the security to the family in LA?

The Met would have been ideal. Failing that, money could still have been provided for them to hire a good private security firm. There are lots of them in LA.

History lesson not needed - that’s my point - you’re still missing the point - it is about the future - that’s the debate - we don’t need endless Princes and Harry was always going to have to get really busy in the royal family creating a reason to be funded or get a real job. He wants to be an important prince with money and security and everything - Charles was trying to protect him but Harry is too stupid to see it. Charles wasn’t left with choice as Harry wasn’t actually needed in royal family as focus now goes to William’s children. Harry wasn’t about to get grateful and become a Prince Edward and work and accept a lesser role - he wants to be a star.

That will all have missed the US audience as I say - missing the point. Still think it’s about tiaras . The security etc comes with the job. He could have done some charity work here and Meghan do her acting and Charles would carve a role within royal family for him. They want to be billionaires though, people in U.K. mostly see through them.

The Met would have been ideal. Failing that, money could still have been provided for them to hire a good private security firm. There are lots of them in LA.
You won't give up on the paying for by the uk tax payer paying or RF and accept that its just not how it works , whatever you think it should be .
Its been widely known in the uk that charles wants to slim down the monarchy when he is king , its a case of moving with the times I guess as the uk is vastly different to when the queen was crowned .

Im sure it did on some and I bet their are others who do not care

Of course, but we're not talking about people who don't care here.

Of those who care, those who support H&M as well as those who are not buying 99% of what was said in the interview, most have a core belief that the RF are awful.

On the one hand, among people who care, is the question, 'How could the RF be so awful?' and on the other is the question, 'How could they not have known the RF are so awful?'

The System vs Personal Choice divide in opinion on their situation echoes liberal v conservative politics both in the US and the UK.

You appear to have a very low opinion of everyone including those in the US. I’ll credit people with a bit more wit as I do think most people eventually see through things and learn during their life. Someone making a load of noise about it today may actually change their mind in time with experiences and achieve a more balanced view.

Oprah’s time will come when people see this was no interview and a staged spectacle. Common sense will prevail.

@mathanxiety if you go over to the thread on royal security there are some quite knowledgeable people on there who have explained how IPP protection works and why it is not possible for the met to provide protection where the subjects live outside the U.K.

I think, based on the articles I see online, the US audience is getting a fairly rounded view of the picture. Anyone who is the type to be that interested in the RF will also be interested in learning the facts of how things are structured, what is normal for the RF in terms of titles, responsibilities, protection and incomes. Most of it never crossed my mind prior to now.

The Met would have been ideal. Failing that, money could still have been provided for them to hire a good private security firm. There are lots of them in LA.

Tell me how that would work.

The US government would allow foreign police officers to operate? And bare arms?

Met police officers are London based.......a trip for a week or two, protecting working royals - part of the job.

Protecting non working royals in a foreign country, being away from families for long period of times may not be as popular.

And that's before we even consider the cost..........

I agree they all need to be kept safe. But it really can't be on their terms, not when the British taxpayer is expected to pick up the bill.

The met wouldn’t have been ideal. You have missed a lot of the conversation in UK if you still think that, everyone here understands the reasons. Charles was trying to protect them but they’ve gone outside of the arena of where they can be protected and why Charles is angry No doubt. The royal family aren’t on Olympus controlling events they’re answerable to the U.K. population and exist with our permission. That can change . Harry wants to be a prince in a fairy tale not in rainy church hall. The fairy tale doesn’t exist.

You won't give up on the paying for by the uk tax payer paying or RF and accept that its just not how it works , whatever you think it should be .
Its been widely known in the uk that charles wants to slim down the monarchy when he is king , its a case of moving with the times I guess as the uk is vastly different to when the queen was crowned .

Yes, it has been widely known that Charles is determined to take it all for himself and his heir. But the non-provision of security doesn't necessarily have to be a part of the slimming down.

The times don't change so much that the murder or kidnapping of the son or grandchild of the king wouldn't be an enormous coup for a terrorist organisation.

Security provision isn't about the future of the monarchy. You persist in conflating these two completely separate things and refusing to question the boneheaded decision to withdraw it based purely on the RF's view of what constitutes status, with no reference to actual threat and risk.

Security provision is about taking sensible precautions against terrorist attacks, or even attacks by armed individuals with bees in their bonnets.

It is about reducing overall vulnerability to terrorist acts. Maintaining adequate security that addresses risk level is part of being a good neighbour.

The US will not thank the RF or the UK government if an American right wing racist group succeeds in attacking M&H and their family. Successful attacks embolden copycats. Attacks anywhere on American soil would embarrass the government and create a danger of destabilisation.

I think, based on the articles I see online, the US audience is getting a fairly rounded view of the picture. Anyone who is the type to be that interested in the RF will also be interested in learning the facts of how things are structured, what is normal for the RF in terms of titles, responsibilities, protection and incomes. Most of it never crossed my mind prior to now.
Im british and some of it baffles me , I am aware of the prince/ princess rights etc but when you get the earl, duke , lord names I have no clue , but then Im not a royalist.
I have no strong feelings for or against them really , wouldn't like to see the end of the monarchy as such though but for it to move with the times a little wouldn't go amiss

@mathanxiety its not about taking it all and for his heir , taxpayers money pays for a lot of what the royal family do , so actually the taxpayer saves in the long run.
The family is big now as the queen has many grandchildren and even great grandchildren now.
Regarding money how that would be split who knows ?

Of course the Met Police can't provide permanent security for minor royalty in a foreign country, what a ridiculous suggestion.

Security works both ways. We are all responsible for ourselves and avoid putting ourselves in risky situations. That is the point that you’re not grasping they have actively chosen to remove themselves from the reach of U.K. security.

They are choosing to drive down the motorway at 200mph because it feels good and makes them
Happy. When they crash - whose fault is it?
They know the risks and the reasons for staying in UK would be security and why Charles as a parent will be angry. It is a vainglorious desire for fame and fortune - you can’t protect everyone from their own desire to expose themselves to risk.

That’s why William would have been saying take it slow and think things through.....
we in the U.K. know this, we underrating US won’t immediately grasp all this but truth outs itself eventually.

Understand not underrating

The US will not thank the RF or the UK government if an American right wing racist group succeeds in attacking M&H and their family

The Sussexes are not working members of the Royal family. It is no longer the job of the British state to protect them.

The US govt have allowed them to live in USA.

They do not have a responsibility to protect them. But I would hope that they would act on any intelligence threats in the same way the UK security services would.

I hope that nothing happens to the family, especially Archie.

But let's be clear, this is a situation of his parents making.

They have chosen to leave the UK. Perhaps they didn't fully understand the consequences of their decision but I am sure if they have property negotiated with their family, then this would have been made clear to them.

Fair chance it was, and they are trying to manipulate the RF into giving them what they want - it must eat up quite a bit of their fortune.

@Marmaladeagain I am aware of the conversation in the UK around security for H&M in the US, and also Trump's insertion of hot air into the debate.

The conversations were sadly predictable and the outcome was not based at all on the practical reality that security was necessary, and that it had to be security of a specific, well-connected sort.

www.newsweek.com/concerns-over-prince-harry-meghan-markles-security-arrangements-they-begin-new-us-life-1495411