Harry & Meghan, all welcome (aka positive thread, now renamed!)

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Here we are, let's inform, discuss, share and respect.

@AlphabetABC

The Prince and the Showgirl was both a stage play and a film. I assume this is where the reference comes from.

Yes, I should imagine the press thought that they were being clever & original by using it!

Show business and Showman are totally different. And what have they got anything to do with this, because no one has been called that.

@Samcro

This thread is bonkers So its offensive to call someone an office manager, but ok to refer to an actress as a showgirl. Weird

It's all down to context imo.

Personally I'd be quite flattered to be called a showgirl, especially as I can't act, sing or dance, and certainly don't have the right shape.

I am quoting the wikipedia page of what the term 'showgirl' means. That is fact.
Feel free to link to similar for 'showbusiness' where it is derogatory. It actually says it's a word for all aspects of the entertainment industry.

Bit different to 'showgirl'
"A showgirl is a female dancer or performer in a stage entertainment show intended to showcase the performer's physical attributes, typically by way of revealing clothing, toplessness, or nudity."

@MeghanSussex

Isn't part of her job to hand out the tiaras?

Of course not. She's the Queen's dresser. That means she needs to know which of the Queen's jewellery is clean and in store so that she can plan ahead to co-ordinate it with HMQ's outfits. That's it. That's all. Everything else is secondary to that.

She is not at anybody else's beck and call. She is answerable only to the Queen.

She's not the royal household's equivalent of Deliveroo.

Maybe it was Angela at the door in the PW/Peter Crouch podcast delivering the curry

Sorry I meant - lesser of the 2 concerns.

Do wish I could like some of these posts!

IMO this is an unecessary dig at Beatrice. You're speculating that she didn't follow the procedures in place to get her tiara, and was shown favouritism.

There is absolutely no way this is a dig at Bea, if you know of any last minute royal wedding, do let me know, and I will say the same thing.

Maybe it was Angela at the door in the PW/Peter Crouch podcast delivering the curry

Myrtle

Don't give HMQ ideas. She'll be expanding AK's job description next.

There have been some seriously bonkers posts on this thread.

Thinking about it, AK was instrumental in making Bea's dress modifications, so maybe she did organise her tiara.

Don't think it was favouritism - I would think that anyone would have done anything they could to help Bea's day go as well as possible, under the circumstances.

Don't think it was favouritism - I would think that anyone would have done anything they could to help Bea's day go as well as possible, under the circumstances

I agree. She had a lot to cope with... covid and her father.

@MeghanSussex

Isn't part of her job to hand out the tiaras?

Of course not. She's the Queen's dresser. That means she needs to know which of the Queen's jewellery is clean and in store so that she can plan ahead to co-ordinate it with HMQ's outfits. That's it. That's all. Everything else is secondary to that.

She is not at anybody else's beck and call. She is answerable only to the Queen.

She's not the royal household's equivalent of Deliveroo.

In that case, maybe it would be better if the key bearer of tiaras job was given to someone else who would be happy to note when the important dates are for the tiaras like Royal Weddings are, and would give the duty it's due diligence and not think they are some kind of Deliveroo.

Like other posters have said I don't see a problem with saying someone comes with baggage.
I'd say it about myself and imo you could even say Prince Harry comes with baggage, divorced parents, dead mother and 2 failed relationships.

Mummy195 Thank you for responding, but the explanation completely overlooks the fact that Doria is considerably younger and in good health. Thomas is elderly with a serious heart condition, as is my own dad. It's at least five years since I have expected my dad to make the one hour flight and four hour drive involved in visiting me. Myself and my siblings visit him, without exception. H and M did a lot of travelling together during the two year period that they were dating, I don't believe they couldn't fit in a visit to her ailing 75 year old father, had they wanted to.

Thinking about it, AK was instrumental in making Bea's dress modifications, so maybe she did organise her tiara.

That would make sense, AJ, but only because HMQ asked her to and she only takes instructions from the Queen, not someone down the pecking order. It was, of course, the Queen's dress and the Queen's tiara so only she would be entrusted to make alterations to such a valuable dress.

When she wasn't nipping out to pick up a curry, that is.

She's not the royal household's equivalent of Deliveroo.

Tiaras by Deliveroo.

Still, Harry needs a job. Meghan has lots of actress friends. I'm spotting an opportunity there....

In that case, maybe it would be better if the key bearer of tiaras job was given to someone else who would be happy to note when the important dates are for the tiaras like Royal Weddings are, and would give the duty it's due diligence and not think they are some kind of Deliveroo.

Stop the world - incase Meghan wants something!!!!

IMO your line of thinking is getting ridiculous Mummy. The RF doesn't have a completely bottomless pot of money, to employ people to hold a key incase they need it anytime for a wedding in the next five years.

The RF doesn't have a completely bottomless pot of money, to employ people to hold a key incase they need it anytime for a wedding in the next five years.

^ This.

@EthelMayFergus

Mummy195 Thank you for responding, but the explanation completely overlooks the fact that Doria is considerably younger and in good health. Thomas is elderly with a serious heart condition, as is my own dad. It's at least five years since I have expected my dad to make the one hour flight and four hour drive involved in visiting me. Myself and my siblings visit him, without exception. H and M did a lot of travelling together during the two year period that they were dating, I don't believe they couldn't fit in a visit to her ailing 75 year old father, had they wanted to.

Well, I was not aware of TM having serious heat problems since he was constantly papped with MacDonalds. I know he did have a Cath right before the wedding, not heart surgery for sure. A Cath is done in about 30 minutes, you recover within a day or so.

I think the whole point DA was making was that unlike other boyfriends, who can maybe book off a week or two and hang around the US, waiting for TM to say he is ready to meet, that was not an option to H.

When he was meeting with MM, it would have been straightforward for them to meet at the arranged times and places, all pre booked probably as security etc. would have to be arranged.

@peachsquish

Like other posters have said I don't see a problem with saying someone comes with baggage. I'd say it about myself and imo you could even say Prince Harry comes with baggage, divorced parents, dead mother and 2 failed relationships.

Sounds a bit gossipy to say that to employees. Don't see how you could say that and expect the employees to then respect this person.

I thought I had made it clear that I thought it crazy to suggest that William and AK teamed up to stop MM having access to the royal collection.

People may not like Dan Wootton but he has had some royal scoops in the past. I was also (I say yet again) not suggesting anything nefarious in AK's actions.

Dan Wootton is widely read, but if we want to just quote sources from ummmm The Times on here, then just let me know

@ajandjjmum

In that case, maybe it would be better if the key bearer of tiaras job was given to someone else who would be happy to note when the important dates are for the tiaras like Royal Weddings are, and would give the duty it's due diligence and not think they are some kind of Deliveroo.

Stop the world - incase Meghan wants something!!!!

IMO your line of thinking is getting ridiculous Mummy. The RF doesn't have a completely bottomless pot of money, to employ people to hold a key incase they need it anytime for a wedding in the next five years.

Erm, maybe it would be someone who is already employed there, but has no issues with taking orders from 'down the perking order' ???

I thought it was one royal employee said to another employee - ooo she comes with baggage. I am now envisioning the grey men as being rather like the sales force at grace bros [shows age]

With AK as Mrs Slocombe. [joking]

Pecking order.

Perking order is what Costa Coffee uses.

Ffs Rousette. You've selectively quoted the first part of my text to suit your argument, then omitted the part that goes on to explain that it is NOTHING to do with an individual, it is everything to do with an aristocratic family estate and the belongings that never truly belong to a generation or an individual, they belong to the estate.
Take the Spencer tiara for example. That has been worn at countless weddings for each Spencer family member over many hundreds of years. The women don't get to keep it, they get to wear it and it is passed down. The only way it would be sold would be as part of a justifiable means to say repair the house.
It is not nice of you to suggest I was casting aspersions, as I absolutely wasn't at all. I happen to think it would make sense that the RF would not lend out jewellery to any member of the family who they knew or had even an inkling that they might be leaving the family or moving abroad to distance themselves from the family.
The craziest thing about this whole thing is that you said you'd heard it on Twitter so 'it must be true' that William had blocked the loaning of jewellery to MM. So don't say blimey to me and say I'm casting aspersions thanks.