A positive thread on Harry and Meghan (aka Thread 6)

[Mummy195]

@rousette

I'm sure you won't mind that your excellent link gets 'pinned'.

Some of the things MM did before marrying H.

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What you've just been posting about

@HarryDaylight

What you've just been posting about

I was joining in a discussion.

Oh come off it. They are publicly funded people - whether this is indirectly via Charles is irrelevant - and we have every right to be interested in them. The fact they are parents doesn’t make them exempt from criticism or discussion. Certain posters on this so called positive thread are quite often happy to criticise Catherine, yet think Megan should be left alone. That’s a rather hypocritical stance. We don’t live in a dictatorship.
Some of the posters on here, along with H&M, just want to control the narrative by curtailing freedom of speech and preventing anything but fawning coverage.

@TofinoSurf

All the H&M threads have attracted supporters as well as those more critical. Obviously this is allowed, anyone is free to comment. But often a lot of the topics are rehashed by both sides. Even now there is another debate on which public figures are open to scrutiny and which aren't - this has been discussed a number of times before. But both sides of the H&M debate have contributed to the volume of threads about them. But the supporters only want to blame the non-supporters for this.

Just to reiterate I'm not saying supporters can't comment, just that they are also contributing to the volume of content.

Apologies TofinoSurf, crossposted.

They don't wield power. They don't make decisions that effect our daily lives, our taxes, education or health

Exactly. I could start writing on my post how Boris and indeed Trump affect our lives but I would be here for hours and boring you silly.

Meghan Markle does not affect my life. So they say something vaguely political, again I could sit here and type a list of celebs who make political statements or comments, but again the list would be too long.

I don't believe that MM has deserved the level of scrutiny and downright vitriol directed at her and there's absolutely nothing that I've read on any of these threads that has managed to persuade me that she does

Nor me.

I can only speak for myself but I'm rather a fan of Catherine.

@Samcro defo get Colleen on the case

I like it when these threads have different viewpoints, makes it more interesting.

Yes. Both sides would have to agree to settle. Barristers negotiate such deals. However AN has repeatedly said its defending this vigorously so they may not want to settle. They don’t have to.

I’m not entirely sure everyone posting can be defined as easily as supporting or against. A number of us are aghast and wonder whether litigation might backfire. J Depp might have not gone to court if he had realised what a nightmare it would be. When the defendants actually decide to robustly defend, it can be very messy for both parties.

I don't believe that MM has deserved the level of scrutiny and downright vitriol directed at her and there's absolutely nothing that I've read on any of these threads that has managed to persuade me that she does.

I am pretty sure right now she is one of the best-known women in the world. She has been involved in some very highly publicised events in the last couple of years, some highly controversial and some hugely human interest. Why would it surprise you that lots of people have views about her actions, and those she takes jointly with her husband?

I didn't say I was surprised.

Certain posters on this so called positive thread are quite often happy to criticise Catherine

Nope. Never done that. I think she does a stirling job. And have to say, it's not as if these 'positive' threads are full of criticism of Catherine. I can't go back and look but I doubt it would add up to the fingers of one hand.

Compare that to the hundreds of threads full of criticism for MM (I'm being polite here)

Some of the posters on here, along with H&M, just want to control the narrative by curtailing freedom of speech and preventing anything but fawning coverage

You are so wrong but I don't know where to begin replying to be honest.
I think they've been a couple of arses at times, I think they've played it wrong at times, but to my mind they don't deserve the incessant vitriol they are subjected to both here and elsewhere. Sick of saying the same thing... but there is nothing they could do that would please some people. Zilch. Nada. Nowt. If you go down the route of pages of posts about how she wears a coat, or a babysling, that is fact.

Her personality is attacked ad infinitum.
Horrible.

@ButteryPuffin

Sancro didn't specify that only parents with political influence can be criticised and others are exempt. The post was about being protected purely on the grounds of being a parent.

Oh come on, none of the other people you have mentioned have had as many threads about them as MM. Also people like JOhnson are politicians, Talk about twisting what people post. can anyone name anyone who has had this many threads ripping them apart?

I’m not entirely sure everyone posting can be defined as easily as supporting or against

I do agree with that. It's not black and white for everyone.

@Roussette

I’m not entirely sure everyone posting can be defined as easily as supporting or against

I do agree with that. It's not black and white for everyone.

I agree too.

And (and this won't go down well) if the general feeling was just a bit more moderate I think there could be some really interesting discussions.
We might end of agreeing shock horror !!
I just can't cope with the pettiness of some of the criticisms levelled at her. I find it mean. Sorry.

Yes I agree too. But posters here seem to think the huge amount of threads on MM were full of vitriol and hate and nothing else. Rather than just accept a large number of people are interested in H&M and a large number of people want to comment and there is a mix of views within that, ranging between entirely critical and entirely supportive.

@ Roussette I have read many of your posts and have a genuine question - as a supporter of MM how will you feel if it transpires that she colluded with the authors of Finding Freedom and/ or was behind the People article ?
I am old enough to remember Diana’s arrival into the RF . I thought she was fabulous. I watched The Wedding with my baby son on my knee . When Morton’s book came out I didn’t believe she was involved and remember arguing with a friend about it . When the truth came out I felt so let down .

@Oldbutstillgotit

@ Roussette I have read many of your posts and have a genuine question - as a supporter of MM how will you feel if it transpires that she colluded with the authors of Finding Freedom and/ or was behind the People article ? I am old enough to remember Diana’s arrival into the RF . I thought she was fabulous. I watched The Wedding with my baby son on my knee . When Morton’s book came out I didn’t believe she was involved and remember arguing with a friend about it . When the truth came out I felt so let down .

I thought i was known she had helped with that book. It was a long time ago so i might be misremembering.

Oldbutgotit I'll be honest, I don't know how I will feel. But if you can appreciate I come from a different angle... the one DM article I read I did have some sympathy, only some with a couple of things and think it was a culture shock for her to be launched into the RF. I believe Harry was possibly at fault for bigging it up, for not thinking it through. I have to add I haven't read the book or seen loads that was in it.

Tofino I agree with you. There is a mix of opinions but I do think the black and white can overshadow the grey if that makes sense.

I agree Rousette, I've read some really interesting threads on royal family whether on history of frocks and tiaras or arcane rules of royal-ness.

I think H&M have had more scrutiny (good and bad) than many other members of the RF - and certainly more in more recent times. In my opinion, some of that scrutiny comes with the job, some of that scrutiny is born out of admiration, some of that scrutiny is born out of schadenfreude and some of the scrutiny arises out of both the choices they make and the way they enact those choices.

I think if we did a Venn diagram of posters there would be extremes at both ends - posters who come across as defending H&M blindly, posters who always seek to find a negative. But there can be a middle ground of critical & appreciative scrutiny. I think too often the voices on the extremes are too vocal but also too entrenched in their positions.

(as an aside, and I know it has been said many a time before but it bears repeating, the sheer volume of viewpoints, scrutiny, dissection and debate - sometimes kindly but often times supremely critical - of Royal men is minuscule compared to the volume applied to Royal women. Again, in my view, I'd be more content about the world in which my teen daughter is growing up in if misogyny was being dialled down not up.

Diana was asked my PP and she - apparently- looked him in the eye and denied being involved . Her BIL Robert Fellowes worked for HM and he also asked her and again she denied it .

That was a reply to @ Samcro

myrtle Brilliant post. Yes.

(p.s. I know your name isn't 'Myrtle' but I love the name, I had an Auntie Myrtle!)

I appreciate your reply @ Roussette . I agree that H should have taken his time and fully explained what M’s life would be like .
As my dear old Mum used to say “ it’ll all come out in the wash!”