Harry and Meghan court dramas (not Suits)

[ARoseInHarlem]

Starting this thread while I digest the last few posts on the previous thread. I think the H&M saga could be as unsettling for the RF as the Charles & Diana bad publicity in the 1990s, if not worse.

OneMile
Articulate? You're havin' a larff! Definition of articulate is having or showing the ability to speak fluently and coherently.
This woman rambles on endlessly (heaven knows when she breathes) and at the end of the monologue you're not too sure what her point was. I'd hate to have to summarise the content! She's a confident speaker but, as my English teacher used to say 'never use a bunch of words when one would do'.

Amazing stuff how they won't put the politics of been a royal aside and instead be a family member to the people who've loved you always

What are you saying? I don't understand this. Are you inferring that Harry won't speak to William?

They are on a difficult wicket talking about privilege, in-equality and bias. Those three things are the reason why they get to stay in a 12 bathroom mansion in LA for free. Why they know what the inside of a private jet looks like
That means that W&K should never open their mouths either. There are very very many privileged, extremely wealthy people who do a lot of good, who are part of the BLM movement, who talk of inequality. Perhaps they should zip it too because they're also on a sticky wicket. Why just H&M?

And probably be left to pick up the bill to
This is someone in response to saying 'imagine being at dinner with them'. Why on earth would you think they wouldn't pay the bill? Where the heck has that new criticism come from.

Some of the posts overnight are really mean. Throwing any insult at them that can be thought up.
Here's a selection... word salad, meghan's doe eyes, talking gibberish, bloody deluded, pair of wannabes, he's a fool,

Does everyone honestly think it's OK to continually lay into this couple like this? Every opportunity, every time they open their mouth, every time the DMail does an article.

I am honestly perplexed with it all, and no doubt some of you can just say don't come on here then but as I've said repeatedly, I don't think there should be a corner of MN to malign two other human beings like this day after day, month after month, year after year. And some posters like me should come on here just to counterract that.

People must hate them beyond anything I know. or have experienced. I save my abhorrence and loathing for the likes of those that hurt and destroy families, murderers, pychopaths, evil people.

Prepared to be flamed, I'm used to it.

@calmcoolandcollected

Few things are as emblematic of the massive hypocrisy of Meghan and Harry, than two people calling themselves "The Duke and Duchess" and refusing to surrender their HRHs voluntarily but only grudgingly not using them publicly, and living off the wealth of a hereditary monarchy, one of the least equitable democratic institutions in human history, lecturing the rest of us about inequality.

I think this is the crux of why so many people are angered by their actions. By all means leave the RF (totally understandable to want to do so) but leave for a quiet and normal life.

I would be really interested to know how much they are liked/disliked in the UK v the US.

My perception (which may of course be totally wrong) is that they are not very liked in the UK but receive a lot more support in the US.

If this is correct then I think they should just focus on US stuff and cut their financial ties with the UK/RF and just start making $$$ doing ads/voiceovers/speaking engagements.

I watched the commonwealth video and had no idea what it was about. It was just four minutes of jibberish.

My perception (which may of course be totally wrong) is that they are not very liked in the UK but receive a lot more support in the US

If this is correct then I think they should just focus on US stuff and cut their financial ties with the UK/RF and just start making $$$ doing ads/voiceovers/speaking engagements

I agree. They will never be liked over here in any way, shape or form. Just reading the general mood on Twitter, they are more liked in the US, (have lots of american twitter followers, and I follow lots)

@lifestooshort123

OneMile Articulate? You're havin' a larff! Definition of articulate is having or showing the ability to speak fluently and coherently. This woman rambles on endlessly (heaven knows when she breathes) and at the end of the monologue you're not too sure what her point was. I'd hate to have to summarise the content! She's a confident speaker but, as my English teacher used to say 'never use a bunch of words when one would do'.

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. She has the ability to speak without pausing. Presenters on channels like QVC do the same. It doesn't mean what they are saying is worth listening to.

Yes, I do think they talk gibberish. You may not agree but that doesn't make it mean.

Bit like any politician we have, bit like Boris then, very many people guilty of the same if that's the case...

@callmeadoctor you've perfectly summed it up. I would add as well that the public will never take H seriously until he addresses the issue of his 'my little Paki friend' comment.

MM has a lovely speaking voice and delivers speeches well as one would expect from an actress. I hope she gets to work on Harry as he really needs to up his game on that front.

Was thinking about the discussion around foreign languages on here the other day. Actually, I think there is no excuse for any snr royal not to be fluent in another language and be a good public speaker - that is their job and they should be trained rigorously to do so.

Also being better at small talks than 'have you come far' and 'what do you do'.

I have read that William plans to change the whole patronage idea in the future and really focus on a very small number for a year at a time. I think this makes sense, really get involved and make a difference. Which actually I think was what Meghan was trying to do with the Hubb kitchen and smartworks.

A lot more effective and real than being patron of 600 random charities.

@Roussette

Bit like any politician we have, bit like Boris then, very many people guilty of the same if that's the case...

I don't disagree with you.

Charities do value their royal patronage though, and they get a tremendous boost from a royal visit. Not just financially, but recognition for the many volunteers who work for them. I hope W's plans take this into account.

On the radio this morning it said the Duchess of Cornwall is patron of 99 charities. This is too many. She’s on radio 5 at 10. So we will hear what she says. Yes, they need a rotating focus. Just dropping in and getting a bunch of flowers looks superficial. I think they do want to get more involved, so choosing which ones and how to do this is important.

I’m afraid MM is making her own mistakes and they spend day after day doing very little. Just plotting and speaking with a passion about causes. That doesn’t equate to actually doing anything.

The Royals do need to slim down. Get more focussed and cut down on their expenses. Be seen to be doing something most days. Have 6 weeks holiday but work for the rest of the year. Like everyone else.

There aren't going to be enough royals to do all the patronages though are there?

Also, personally I think the value of them is perhaps to an older demographic. The RF is largely seen as a quaint irrelevancy by younger people today I think.

My grandmother would have been excited to meet the Queen but I wouldn't and my children definitely wouldn't.

My eldest is doing DofE - it is pretty much for his university applications, the thought of going to BP to get his award, well let's just say he wouldn't bother.

Although the DofE is fantastic, as is Princes Trust. I know someone, now just 60, whose life was changed dramatically from 17 years old and on by the Princes Trust.

Charles did a good thing there.

Is this an implicit threat???

If so things could get interesting between MM and Jessica Mulroney.

*When Meghan makes a decision to ghost someone she doesn't usually go back,' a source told The Sun.

'When it comes to Jessica, hopefully she realizes that it's not a great idea. Jessica knows all her secrets and everything she's been through. This is not someone she wants to make an enemy of at this time.'*

@Roussette

Bit like any politician we have, bit like Boris then, very many people guilty of the same if that's the case...

Yes and look how many many threads there are criticising Boris too. This is what happens when you put yourself in the public eye and say and do things which are controversial or delivered poorly. People are going to comment and criticise. I don't agree with personal attacks on things like parenting or sexist comments about appearance etc. But the things they do for 'work' (paid or unpaid) such as speeches and charity appearances etc should and can be commented on by the general public.

I would agree that to the vast majority of people in their twenties and even thirties, the Royal family are an irrelevance. I don’t think most young people even know who they are really.
I do agree about the good the Princes Trust has done, and the Duke of Edin Awards. My father worked on the former for some time. We need more initiatives like that. Opening things and turning up to do a bit of phoney emoting just isn’t going to cut it in years to come. The public really need to see what value the RF are adding to justify the costs.
I think they enjoyed quite a long period where they weren’t under so much scrutiny. Certainly since Charles married Camilla. Now because of MM and PA they are back under the microscope and they don’t look pretty up close.

Mrscambellblackagain: the universities mostly ignore DofE holders. Unless it’s directly relevant to the degree and the volunteering is used for furthering the application - eg volunteering in a hospice if you want to be a doctor. Many initiatives like this could be great but are mostly done by middle class kids. A bit like doing a gap yah studying art in Florence. It costs money.

Yes. With fewer Royals they need to prioritise who they support. Charities need to amalgamate too. Fewer but better run.

My0My - am sure DofE isn't that important compared to his actual grades but everything seems to be an arms race now, so it seems pretty much every kid at his school does DofE. Not sure for my DS that spending 8 hours a day perfecting his jumps on his bike will quite cut it for extra curriculars

Agree with you about the charities - totally.

Prince Andrew and MM&HM have definitely brought a lot of I would have thought unwelcome but necessary scrutiny of the RF.

I am sure I read an article recently saying that the security of the entire RF needed to be reviewed as they weren't perceived as being so under threat now - I can't find it though.

I would like to see a big shake up, with them becoming largely self funding and only really getting their expenses covered for official outings.

Much work has been done in terms of changes to charity law and regulation to try and encourage charities to work together and if possible merge.

However charity law has ancient roots and isn't straightforward so it's a legal minefield. I agree wholeheartedly with the premise, but it isn't quite as easy as it sounds.

Well yes. Lots have it. That’s why it’s discounted. Anyway - not entirely relevant here!

I think threat levels go up and down. I’m not sure if HandM are still getting security from the uk government or Prince Charles? It’s a shambles whatever they are doing.

It reminds me of the Duke of Windsor. Exile, for whatever reason, never works out well.