Harry and Meghan court dramas (not Suits)

[ARoseInHarlem]

Starting this thread while I digest the last few posts on the previous thread. I think the H&M saga could be as unsettling for the RF as the Charles & Diana bad publicity in the 1990s, if not worse.

Thanks Myimaginary

This is an interesting article.

www.bylineinvestigates.com/murdoch/2020/6/24/prince-harry-set-to-sue-the-sun-for-hiring-an-unlawful-private-investigator-to-spy-on-megan-markle

So the private investigator the Sun hired to spy on MM from 2016 soon after she got together with Harry, has now turned whistleblower. Yet again there appears to be some phone hacking. The Sun are good at that aren't they...

What do Beatrice and Eugenie actually call themselves at work? I presume they don't use Princess then. And that they have a surname. (Imagine the standard company email IT systems dealing with that. Mine still doesn't cope well with double barrelling)

I think the reason H&M get such a hard time compared to others over using titles, logos etc as non-working royals is because they chose to leave. Not just as working royals but the country as well. They didn't want to do it anymore. Fair enough, no way would I want to be a member of the RF

Totally agree

I didn't know the Clarence Dukedom was offered. I can see why Sussex was preferred. The trouble is, it's now another tainted Dukedom. I can't see anyone wanting it for a generation or two even if it went back in the pot - which it won't.

A friend’s son knows PP through a shared interest and says he is a charming down to earth man , as is Autumn. The point about them is we know little about them or their views on anything. I've never heard Autumn Phillips speak.

@ButteryPuffin would they go by York? In the same way W and H were Wales?

Although now Eugenie is married I believe she’s Mrs Brooksbank. Beatrice presumably will take her husband’s name when they marry.

I think Jamie Lee Curtis is a good example of having a title but not using it. I never even knew she “had” one until it was mentioned here. There was another option when they got married to being called Duchess of Sussex or Princess Henry, which was to continue to be known as Meghan Markle and Harry could have become Harry Markle it stayed Harry Wales or the could both become Harry & Meghan Sussex. I’ve no idea what decision I would have made in similar circumstances but I do not buy that it would have offended the Queen or been awkward in anyway to make that alternative decision. If you actively use the title, then I personally feel that it comes with a responsibility to uphold the long-established precedent of publicly always supporting the monarchy. The same way if you choose to work for a company then you publicly support their decisions even if privately you don’t agree with them. I feel the same about the comments made in this court case. By all means leave the “family business“ and privately tell them if they’ve got it terribly wrong in your opinion but if you publicly want to say they got it wrong then like resigning and leaving a business you surely must severe all ties and then comment. It feels somehow like they’ve left the “company board” but have retained their company title and still receive the royal equivalent of share dividend payments. In my personal opinion, I do feel that keeping those aspects comes with a responsibility to not damage the Company’s reputation.

If PP or Autumn were relentlessly pursuing media attention you can bet your boots the media would soon turn on them. And once again, it's about who pays. PP is free to do what he likes in his spare time because he is footing the bill

As they're now divorced or about to be, I imagine they want a pretty low profile. I think there's a bit of royal uncoupling going on there!

I don't agree with the PP is free to do what he likes because he is footing the bill, if that relates to the Chinese milk ad. No different to stuff levelled at H&M all the time. PP traded on his royal connections.

Oops! A few typos...hopefully the gist remains clear.

The Queen (Monarch) can make titles up though, so it's not like she's going to run out. The Wessex title given to Edward and Sophie was new, in that there was no place such as Wessex any more, and no one had been a Lord Wessex for literally hundreds of years. She offered Churchill the title of Duke of London after WWII, but he turned it down. She should easily make up the Duke of Sandringham, the Duke of Anmer, the Duke of Canterbury etc - there are loads of options!

Oh, and just in case it could come across wrong, I was referring to severing all “company” ties including financial but I wasn’t including family ties.

The Peter Phillips ad was not a good choice from him. I assume he saw it as a nice little earner, didn't ask permission and it was too late to do anything by the time the Royals found out. Plus if he doesn't get funded by them, there's nothing they can take away as punishment. The Sussexes are not in that position. Although as I said earlier, I don't see them doing ads. Not the image they want to cultivate at all.

I also think that whatever the rights and wrongs of the Sun revelations (and it should go without saying that any phone hacking is wrong) it would be a poor decision for the Sussexes to embark on any more legal action right now. They have enough on their plate on that front as it is.

As they're now divorced or about to be, I imagine they want a pretty low profile.

I'm sure they do, but they wouldn't have the choice if the media decided to take an interest. And if they had pursued coverage and leaked information regularly, their profile would definitely be higher.

We'll just have to disagree on the PP milk ad, other than that it was extremely tacky.

Link to Princess Beatrice work website, she uses Beatrice York.

www.afiniti.com/team/beatrice-york
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I also think that whatever the rights and wrongs of the Sun revelations (and it should go without saying that any phone hacking is wrong) it would be a poor decision for the Sussexes to embark on any more legal action right now. They have enough on their plate on that front as it is.

Completely agree. Although I don't think they are planning to. The headline to that article is misleading, it looks like they just sent out a solicitor's letter. I expect dozens of those go out all the time.

Yes on the ad, totally agree, and then a month later they announce a divorce. Although I think they'd been quietly seperated since last year I believe. Not sure.

The RF does have a high divorce rate, that's for sure. Pressures of being in the RF must account for something. 3 out of 4 of the Queen's children for instance.

Love the idea of the queen whipping titles out of her handbag!

To go back to a few bits.

I think it is entirely possible that Meghan asked for a particular tiara. I also think it is entirely possible that the story has been totally blown out of proportion. For someone who is new to the intricate protocols in the RF, I don't think it would be unreasonable to follow it up with a comment saying 'seriously, H? All these jewels and you can't wear them, even on your wedding day. What's the point?' That could be reported as a tantrum (mountains / molehills) but is a fair point! Clearly this is a projection of mine but I just think scenarios are often misrepresented. You only have to look at the fail who report on a celeb 'exercising during lockdown' when they're clearly doing nothing of the sort.

I think M was naive when she moved here. As someone who's married to someone from another English speak country it is common to underestimate the difference in culture. I lived in DH's country for many years. It was so hard and although I enjoyed living there the relief at returning home was huge. Much easier to make friends and understand the nuances of every day life.

That’s been my experience too, Cameocat, & that’s just from moving to a different part of the UK. I find when I go back to visit my parents, I can “read” the conversational undercurrents but where I live now, I sense them but I can’t always read them. As an “over thinker”, I quite like not being able to read them - but there are notable differences and that it is inevitably much more the case when it’s another country.

Oldbutstillgotit

Had they not accepted the Sussex titles , MM wound have been Princess Henry which I doubt she would have liked.

I'm sure she wouldn't.
But everybody forgot that the late princess of Wales should have been called "princess Charles" not "princess Diana" - as she wasn't born a princess.

The tabloid articles asking if Camilla or Catherine have/will have "Diana's title" (ie princess of Wales) are just silly.
Camilla is POW by virtue of marriage. She just doesn't use the title.

As will Kate be if William becomes prince of Wales.
Diana fleetingly had the title by virtue of who she married.

Just a by-the-by.
But don't people wonder why princess Michael isn't princess Marie-Christine?*

If we can't get it right about the royal family of our own country, goodness knows what other nationals think and expect.

*Not sure of her first name and too idle to Google.
Sorry.

I think it is entirely possible that Meghan asked for a particular tiara. I also think it is entirely possible that the story has been totally blown out of proportion.

I do too. I believe she was told she would be lent a tiara and didn't wait for the options to be offered but looked at what she thought was available and pitched for her favourite. It's rather crass and pushy if that's what happened, but not a heinous crime.

Actually it was H's reaction when told she couldn't have her choice that got her into trouble. For all we know, she was fine with the actual options, she was certainly gracious about the loaned tiara when interviewed about it.

Exactly, @Myimaginarycathadfleas. It was Harry’s over the top bullying of a member of staff merely doing his/her job that was the issue.

Harry bullied a member of staff?
Have you got a source for that?

It was reported before the wedding.

Serenster

That's a terrible photoshop of Camilla there, thisenglishlife!! Camilla has never actually worn the Vladimir tiara.

I don't know whether she's worn it or not, but the tiara and necklace look (to my untrained eye, admittedly) photoshopped. Badly.

I wonder what they'll list their occupations as now. Will Meghan still be Princess of the United Kingdom even though she quit the 'job'.