Harry and Meghan court dramas (not Suits)

[ARoseInHarlem]

Starting this thread while I digest the last few posts on the previous thread. I think the H&M saga could be as unsettling for the RF as the Charles & Diana bad publicity in the 1990s, if not worse.

Here is the BBC interview.

around 2.50 "I didn't know much about him".
She had never met him, she did not know him any more than you and I. Now she had a chance to ask someone who was his friend and actually knew him.

around 4.28. Harry affirms that ppl think they know him, when they don't. (they see a 2D picture on the telly and presume they know him). (I suppose just as much as they read here and there about the palace and think they know more than MM who has actually lived and worked there)

around 6.50, I don't see why H would have been unprepared by what took place, if KM and the others were treated the same way. Which to me reads that they are too polite to say, we were unprepared for the racism that took place. It's obvious they are saying MM was treated differently, when they had expected the same treatment as others.

@TheNavigator yes I expected a response like that from someone. The fact is Kate has always mixed up her wardrobe with high street brands amongst expensive designer names. It's not her 'frugality' I admire. I actually think wearing Zara when you know you'll be photographed by the world media leaving BP shows someone comfortable in their own skin.

@thisenglishlife

She wore a Zara dress, but then got on a helicopter to take her to the airport to go on her honeymoon to a Caribbean resort that cost £9000 a night a stay at.

No. She didn't. Kate and William didn't go on their honeymoon straightaway; William was back at work a few days after the wedding.

@Mummy195: "On one of the items - it was the tiara itself if I truly recall - there was a voice recording of H&M talking about some of their choices and on the tiara they were full of praises about how it suited the dress. H says to MM that he did not need to be there because she knew exactly which one to choose and he knew nothing about tiaras and how they fit the dress etc. He said , you knew which one you wanted and went straight for it and it looked great with the dress. There is no mention of there being other tiara fitting beforehand that were not suitable or did not work out."

What a strange thing for him to say unprompted, unless it was constructed to make out there hadn't been an issue - when it had been leaked that there most certainly was.

@MissEliza

MM wears Zara. Isn't H&M cheaper than Zara or around the same price. Don't quite understand your point.

Well, if the tiara fiasco had happened, H would hardly have referred to it, would he? "And you wanted another tiara and threw a tantrum."

You want him to prove a negative why would he talk about a story that never took place.

It was not something he said randomly, they were discussing the artefacts.

Looking at the tiara she chose it looks perfect with her dress in a simple style, I do not see why she would choose these green emeralds anyway. I believe for PE, it would have suited her eyes.

Katie Nicholls said in a documentary that when Thomas M did not make the wedding, MM was very upset. H asked PC, who agreed to walk her, and H was then heard to say what M wants, M gets. I think some fantasist from the rags just jumbled up stories to make a juicy tittle tattle.

H asked PC, who agreed to walk her, and H was then heard to say what M wants, M gets
That makes no sense in that context.

Of all the 'fake stories' that MM has objected to in her legal filings, tiaragate has never been one of them.

The most published account is that a request was made to Buckingham Palace for a specific emerald tiara. The request was denied because the provenance of the emeralds could not be established. This prompted the widely reported 'what Meghan wants, Meghan gets' speech from H.

HMQ arranged for a selection of tiaras to be made available for viewing at BP. All three were there (HMQ, HaM).

In the recording at the Windsor Castle exhibition, M says: 'Harry and I had gone to Buckingham Palace to meet with her Majesty the Queen to select one of the options that were there which was an incredibly surreal day as you can imagine. That was the one that I think as we tried them on stood out.'

In reply, H says: 'Funnily enough, it was the one that suited the best. The one that looked the best on you without question.....an incredible loan by my grandmother'.

By arranging for a specific set of tiaras to be made available, HMQ made it very clear what was on offer. Such an excellent way to avoid any further misunderstanding.

that when Thomas M did not make the wedding, You make it sound as if he was an inconsequential guest.

I think if you went on the feminism boards and said a SAHM can't be a feminist because she is financially dependent on her husband you would get ripped to shreds.

I'm pretty sure it would be said in those discussions that the SAHM works, in providing childcare, and thus she and her husband are actually mutually financially dependent on one another. Society may not recognise that but feminist analysis would.

On tiaragate, 'you knew which one you wanted and went straight for it' sounds to me very much like a line designed to combat the stories about being refused the other tiara. That's the beauty of how people interpret things differently, though, isn't it?

@goldierocks

You have a better memory than me on what they said exactly. But I'm curious where you get the published account of MM wanting the emerald tiara from. And at which point did MM then throw her supposed tantrum.

KN said MM wanted to be walked down the isle, and so she got what she wanted by PC doing it.

I don't know exactly why TM did not go. What I know is that he was booked a car for the 13th, a suite was booked for him for 3 nights in the US, then a flight was booked for him to come to the UK. He refused all of that. Cannot 100% recall his hospital papers said, but I think it was 16-17th May. So after he was supposed to have already left.

I doubt Thomas Markle was ever officially invited. He received no invitation. Doria did. And she also received an official engagement scroll. TM did not. He was told he couldn't make a speech as there wasn't time. Meghan did not want him there IMHO.

On tiaragate, 'you knew which one you wanted and went straight for it' sounds to me very much like a line designed to combat the stories about being refused the other tiara. That's the beauty of how people interpret things differently, though, isn't it?

It may well have been, considering they were gagged not allowed to defend themselves directly.

wearing Zara when you know you'll be photographed by the world media leaving BP shows someone comfortable in their own skin.
Over reach, but I do think that it's good when royals wear high street.

Some British brands worn by Meghan: Alexander McQueen, All Saints, Amanda Wakely, Antonio Berardi, ASOS, Barbour, Burberry, Charlotte Elizabeth (link to Prince's Trust), Charlotte Olympia, Demellier, ethical brand Edge of Ember, Emilia Wickstead, Erdem, Goat, Hobbs, Hunter, Jigsaw, Joseph, Madewell, M&S, Me&Em, Mulberry, Paul Andrew, ethical brand Pippa Small, Reebok, Reiss, Rejina Pyo, Safiyaa, Stella McCartney, Strathberry, Tabitha Simmons, Tamara Mellon, Topshop, Victoria Beckham, Wales Bonner and WNU

Some high street and non luxury brands worn by Meghan: Adidas, All Saints, ASOS, Banana Republic, Birdies, Community, Everlane, H&M, Hobbs, J Crew, Jigsaw, Joseph, Madewell, Massimo Dutti, M&S, Missoma, Nike, Reebok, Reiss, TNA, Topshop, WNU, Wolford tops and Zara

Some designer brands worn by Kate in her first year as a royal: Alexander McQueen, Alice Temperley, Amanda Wakely, Catherine Walker, Erdem, Jenny Packham, Matthew Williamson, Missoni, Roksanda Ilincic and Roland Mouret

@Viviennemary

I doubt Thomas Markle was ever officially invited. He received no invitation. Doria did. And she also received an official engagement scroll. TM did not. He was told he couldn't make a speech as there wasn't time. Meghan did not want him there IMHO.

Not according to what she has submitted in court.

@Viviennemary

I doubt Thomas Markle was ever officially invited. He received no invitation. Doria did. And she also received an official engagement scroll. TM did not. He was told he couldn't make a speech as there wasn't time. Meghan did not want him there IMHO.

I agree. I think the Markle's are a little brash. I think if he'd had an invite, he or his family (particularly Samantha - who would have used the 'he got one and I didn't' tack) wouldn't have been able to resist mentioning it.

He pulled out himself after a newspaper printed that he had set up the papped photos and then he had a blocked artery so he couldn't have come: www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/14/thomas-markle-will-not-fly-meghan-harrys-wedding-suffering-heart/amp/

Samantha Markle on the Markles there are more than enough issues with other members of her family who are, she tells me, no strangers to court appearances, bankruptcy and years of racial bigotry.

The Markles on Samantha:
Roslyn (her mother) alleged that far from being proud of her ‘bi-racial family’, Samantha used to tell friends her stepmother ‘was the maid because she is black’. Roslyn has disowned Samantha, saying of her daughter: ‘She trashes Meghan, she trashes me, her dad, her brothers. She has just been trashing everybody in her life forever.’

Samantha’s brother, called Thomas like his father, has also entered the fray, branding Samantha an attention-seeker who should ‘leave Meghan alone’.

What happened with the whole Markle family and the wedding, can anyone remember? All I remember was wondering what was going on - Samantha was really vocal about not being invited and something about their dad. Can't remember what though. Do you think he had definitely been invited and disinvited himself, or was disinivited, or was never actually invited? I'm just bearing in mind apparently H hadn't even met him and I thought that business about suit measuring photo's was because he was hopingfor an invite?

Of all the 'fake stories' that MM has objected to in her legal filings, tiaragate has never been one of them.

The few (six, I think) stories that MM objected to were the ones where no rf would have been needed to testify. Notably, for the tiara the main witness would have been HMQ, the make KM cry would have been KM herself. At that point, she seems to have sidestepped all the stories that would have needed a family member to verify like Frogmore, Babyshower (and also Samantha Cohen).

Speaking of SC, which 6 ppl did MM get rid of? As @thisenglishlife has accounted for some of them. I even recall some where moved to Sussex Royal from the household and were reported as sacked. Someone may remind me, but one of them was interim Head of SR, till the permanent person would be appointed.

Notably, for the tiara the main witness would have been HMQ, the make KM cry would have been KM herself

You really are grasping! There would have been plenty of courtiers and other witnesses around at both incidents (which is probably how they made their way into the media so quickly!)

@Mummy195

MM wears Zara

What has she worn by Zara? Genuine question, I cannot think of anything (I see this englishlife has also mentioned this now)

What has she worn by Zara? I hope she hasn’t. Zara is utter rubbish.