Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 4

[Mummy195]

Hope you don't mind Dave.

Samcro

just got to think of the title. want one that doesn't allow people to think its ok to derail.

With the best will in the world, I'm not sure that's possible. Look at all the television threads that say "no spoilers". They still get spoilers (and some people have even stronger views on soaps than on the royals).

Anyway, good luck with it.

Erm.... what’s happened with my post?

Mummy195 said the FT was interested in H&M and sent details of an FT article. I (who like H&M!) saw the top reader comments were actually negative and posted the same. Mummy195 then selectively posted some FT reader comments and accused me of being selective? But for some reason my post has been removed, and not Mummy195’s?

Here’s a problem with fandom on either side, and why it’s alienating to people in the middle - the shoutdown method. My post was entirely accurate and was reported, but another post that was intentionally misleading remains. And this is supposed to be the “happy” thread?! It’s like mediocre gaslighting

no idea didn't see it. or if I did I can't remember. MN Hq have been very slow to delete posts, so it must have broken some rule.
yes this is supposed to be the happy thread. but not now as it has become the same as all the countless others.

@Samcro and why do you think that is?

To explain... Mummy195 claimed FT readers were interested in H&M... I am a H&M supporter but the FT article she posted had 90% very poor comments about H&M, but Mummy195 said I had “trawled” the article for negative posts.

This is the problem! You can’t bury your head in the sand.... if the PR isn’t working, it isn’t working. There’s no point arguing against facts... in this case, that FT readers couldn’t give a hoot about H&M. My concern is they’ve alienated the gutter press (fine), but somehow that’s annoyed the main press... they need a platform and I’m wondering why they can’t go back to IG?

How can you have a happy thread with intentionally misleading posts? What’s the point, might as well go to the unhappy thread where they’re spouting nonsense too

Samcro with respect you can't ban people from posting views you don't like. You can however ask them to be respectful towards other posters when expressing their different views.

This was done on the other threads numerous times but unfortunately "happy" thread regulars were not able to show good manners and as a result H&M threads were often derailed and deleted.

I wish you luck with your thread anyway.

Samcro, you keep calling people "haters" and that is unacceptable.

You cannot start threads and throw your toys out of the pram if someone who disagrees with you posts on those threads. That isn't how MN works.

There has been nothing but bad feeling over this since MM joined the RF, and particularly since she and PH announced they were "stepping back".

I am bewildered. You are happy for them. Can you explain what it is you're happy about? What the point of this thread is? Why you are going to start another thread, hoping that only supporters will post?

It is baffling in the extreme.

You "want a title which doesn't allow people to think it's okay to derail."

What does that mean?

A good many threads have been derailed since MM/PH became a hot topic, and that has generally been because most of the posters on the so-called "happy" thread made it their business to do the derailing.

"happy" thread regulars

I need to qualify this as I don't mean it as a blanket term and don't want to offend innocent bystanders. There are a few H&M supporters who come to the H&M threads not to share their perspective - which would be welcomed - but to make abusive comments to posters and seek to get the thread taken down by repetitive reporting.

Samcro I sympathise if you feel your thread has take a turn you didn't envisage. But it is just another H&M thread after all, and open to the same pool of posters as the countless others to which you refer and on which you yourself have posted.

X post with CatsAndOcelots

I tell you something Meghan has done really well or benefited from and that is the super fans/stans - no one can say one negative word about her or they are called a hater. It is bizarre.

And I see this from posters who I see posting perfectly sensible stuff on other parts of mn, some of them for years.

I can't work out if they just feel defensive for someone who they perceive has been victimised and now will not allow any discussion or criticism of them.

It is interesting albeit slightly baffling.

I don't comment very much on these threads because I don't want to read discussions about what they are supposedly doing wrong all the time. There are numerous threads where criticism is welcomed and discussed at length for that very purpose.

I enjoy reading about Harry and Meghan within reason - I'm not actually all that fussed about the Royal family. I dislike the constant criticism because I think it is unreasonable and founded on opinions and not facts - and I have not read one single thing on the countless threads on here that has changed my mind. I actually find the criticism.

So I'm not queuing up to join in what has become essentially another thread to bash them.

I actually find the constant criticism difficult to read which is why I like on this one and post very occasionally.

On help, lurk not like. 3rd time lucky.

Oh not on. I give up.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie your user name is pure magic.

There are a few H&M supporters who come to the H&M threads not to share their perspective - which would be welcomed - but to make abusive comments to posters and seek to get the thread taken down by repetitive reporting

I'm not sure that is strictly true to be honest. Look at the name we were called (beginning with S), until MN put a stop to it, when any supporter tried to say...'actually that isn't true' we were shouted down and called a name and posters were told to SOB (scroll on by) and ignore us continually. That's rude!

Not once did I go on those threads with the idea of having them pulled. I was on there to correct the worst inconsistencies. And I did report a couple of times... only the very worst posts and both the posts were just vile and shocking. Anyone would've been shocked by what was said.

OverUnderSidewaysDown - thank you!! ☺
My typing is shocking though 😂😂😂

And I see this from posters who I see posting perfectly sensible stuff on other parts of mn, some of them for years.

Yes. It is very strange when you have seen seemingly level headed, mature, posters discussing various topics sensibly for years and then suddenly they’re using (emotional teenagers’) words like “haters” and trying to police everyone’s mood with a “this is a happy thread for happy people” rhetoric. It’s left my mental image of certain posters very confused.

Anyone would've been shocked by what was said

That is merely your opinion, Roussette. And I do not think that you went on to any of the H 7 M threads simply "to correct the worst inconsistencies" which suggests that without your content, people could have posted things which were not true.

You don't mean that, I hope?

@SetPhasersTaeMalkie

You need an edit button.

@ArriettyJones

This is a happy thread for happy people

Yes - spoken a la Royston Vasey, eh?

That'll be me you're talking about then, as I've been here since dinosaurs roamed the earth

When you see awful negativity and nastiness (this cannot be denied) on thread after thread after thread, one tends to go in another direction if you feel some of the comments are just too much, and this couple have had negativity heaped on them by the press and on social media endlessly. That's me anyway.

Course they're not perfect, but they can't do a thing right with some people. Any action by them whatsoever is picked on, pulled apart and criticised, even if sometimes what they are doing is something positive.

You have to look at it like this.... you say we on here are the happy people happy thread, fans or whatever. Let's flip the coin... on the 'other threads' it's just the reverse... negative criticism of them on and on. No different, just two sides of a coin..

That is merely your opinion, Roussette

I promise you... it was vile. I would love to post it here, I reported it and I have it. Anyone with a heart would've found the lengthy nasty rant about MM horrible. There is not one person in the world I would talk about like that.

Cats I have not said that everything was inaccurate without me correcting it! Why would you assume that from my post?!. Just sometimes though, things were said that were not strictly true and I went on occasionally to say so.

Roussette it was true of a few posters I'm afraid. But that's why I qualified my post as I know it doesn't apply to everyone.

You're referring to the term Scolds, I think. It was never levelled at anyone directly but it did collectively describe those very posters who seemed to appear just to tell people off instead putting a constructive point of view forward. But I agree name calling isn't helpful and I was glad it was dropped.