Archewell to replace Sussex Royal

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--www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/07/harry-and-meghan-to-launch-new-charitable-outfit--

I am really not sure about this. They "felt compelled" to share how the name came about and to announce their new venture but they're not releasing details because they want the focus to remain on the Covid crisis?

This is a mess. Full of contradiction. I finally admit that they have lost their way.

It no longer links to gold digga. Quite sad about that

The trouble is I think Harry really believes he is an ordinary bloke. That dig at the RF and how they don’t realise that really he’s just a man of the people. The trouble is, he has no idea at all. That’s not his fault, but to pretend he’s just Harry whilst living a life of luxury paid for by other people, taking private jets, asking for work for his wife at Royal events is just ridiculous.
If he had any sensitivity at all he would also see how appalling the timing has been for the release of their statements,’leaks’ etc. He comes across as a spoilt teenage brat .

That’s not his fault, but to pretend he’s just Harry whilst living a life of luxury paid for by other people, taking private jets, asking for work for his wife at Royal events is just ridiculous

Rose - I remember reading a piece that stated how the three men can often be miserable and sulky because they think that they would have a fabulous life playing pool every day if only they could get rid of the pesky commitments. They actually don't understand how it's the other way around. Obviously, we dont know how accurate this is but the point being made was that this type of a lack of self-reflection seems par for the course so while we are all expecting examples of profound self-insight now that H has bolted to a wonderous new life, that's unlikely to be the case.

This pair! Announcing their ''foundation'' they might as well have called it gofundus.

What this pair would do if they had ANY sense would be to keep their heads down for a few years. No announcements, no pimping for jobs. Just enjoy the millions that they do have, enjoy their child, live a quiet life.

They could both work part time for a charity. Literally go to work though. Maybe three days a week. Could either of them manage that? Harry could I believe. They need something like resembling jobs to win back people's respect.

This pair! Announcing their ''foundation'' they might as well have called it gofundus.

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But they don’t want a quiet life. They want endless adulation and to be recognised for their special qualities. Their superhuman qualities. They want to save the world, change things for the better and for everyone to listen with bated breath for their next special pearl of wisdom issued on Instagram.
Soon they’ll be writing the Bible of How to Live According to Us.

RosesandIris

The trouble is I think Harry really believes he is an ordinary bloke. That dig at the RF and how they don’t realise that really he’s just a man of the people. The trouble is, he has no idea at all.

Absolutely agree with this.
Various things I've read that have been published by people who've been in the royal family's orbit suggest that the royals are convinced that their "duty" is an incredibly hard job.

I really do appreciate that the "Never explain; never complain" thing that is expected of them is hard.
Many MN posters can't do it. Despite knowing that DFTT is the best advice.
God knows, I can't always do it (but kick myself afterwards).
But then, we don't have the money, adulation and very special treatment ("Ventilator? Just over here, Sir/Madam") lavished on the royals.

There are harder jobs.
Much harder.
And, but for an accident of birth, some royals would be doing them.
Their intelligence wouldn't have got them anything very influential.

LaMarsch
Liking your post. Agree completely.

I think it can be hard as you cannot escape from duty. Or so they thought! Harry told palace officials “what Meghan wants, Meghan gets”. That’s using his power and entitlement. I don’t think she did get the tiara she wanted though. However staff left and she didn’t appear to settle because she wanted Royal life on her terms. She didn’t get it so they flounced off. In the end, Harry wasn’t interested in the military as he’s largely dumped them by his decision. He seems very shallow and poorly advised by Meghan. His wiser counsel has been dumped because he didn’t like the message.

I think myself that Harry is torn between two ways of seeing the world . He's partly devoted to his grandmother and doing his duty. Something he's mentioned many times. Duty to the country and his grandmother etc.
He also feels conflicted because his situation has caused him to have trouble finding a wife if rumours are to believed. Chelsey turned him down and so did Cressida on the basis that they didn't want the scrutiny and the lifestyle. His career was messed up because of his Royal birth and he lost that. His mother was made utterly miserable by the system, although she learned to use it to her advantage in the end, but it ultimately killed her. Yes, she was stupid to do away with protection and not wear a seatbelt, but she made a lot of poor decisions partly as the result of being cornered and desperate, not having very good judgement because her only adult life experiences were within the RF.

Harry seems to have a naturally rebellious streak which Diana encouraged, always referring to him in terms which emphasised this. So he has internalised that being a rebel is good. He wants to emulate his mother's charitable work and be seen to be in touch with the people and 'just like us'.

All this stuff is mixed up in his head. He then meets a very strong and forceful woman who appears to be offering him a new life. A life where he can have the happy loving family he always craved However in spite of the fact she was well used to being in the public eye, she didn't understand the system or the protocol, and quickly got tired of it. Felt hemmed in, not appreciated. Resented his family, felt her views were not taken seriously or even listened to.

It's had a very unfortunate effect, as he flails around, desperately trying to please her, to keep her on track. He doesn't see his family doing much (in his eyes) to suck up to her enormous ego and keep her happy. He gets resentful, he becomes afraid of losing her. He doesn't want a repeat of his own parents marriage. He tries hard not to be like his father and ignore his wife's obvious distress. He wants desperately to protect his son from the same things he went through.
He becomes angry, alienated, paranoid. Anything his wife asks for, he acquiesces because he is in awe of her and feels quite unworthy really. He really wants her to be happy, to keep the family he wants so much.
He looks at William and kate and feels bitter that it all seems to come so easily to them. He feels his brother doesn't care or support him, doesn't like his wife.

The family become the enemy in his mind, the reason all the Bad Things happen to him. Much better to make off with the wife/Mummy and child to start a new life away from the nasty relatives , a place he can be free to be himself. He doesn't want to be Royal anymore, he wants to be Harry the Normal Guy.

The wife tells him everything is so much brighter and better out the other side, in the Normal World. If we walked away, she says everything Will be Fine. He believes her. He remembers that his mother felt the same way.

It's all lovely too, except they now have to depend on the FIL for finance and they are right down the pecking order in the RF, which actually pisses them right off.

I'd like to have seen him with Chelsy. She seems to be an interesting and intelligent woman. I remember reading when they were going out that she had been good for him because she didn't indulge him or give into him. I wonder if MM has perhaps indulged his insecurities and grudges and therefore brought out a negative side to his personality.

I always think of Pulps ‘Common People’ when Harry goes into his ‘I’m just so normal ‘ mode. It’s clearly ridiculous as he isn’t and can never be normal and to think he is is bonkers.

The timing of the Archewell thing is dire. Too close to the Queens Speech, preachy, pretentious and nebulous sounding with the ring of desperation about it. Whatever they do just seems to get everyone’s backs up and they have no idea that they’re coming across in that way.

Me too! When he does the ‘man of the people accent’ it amuses me.

RosesansIrises
Very perceptive and interesting.

Of course the last thing Meghan wants is to be normal. It’s really out of the frying pan and into the fire for Harry when really they could have melted into the background in a sleepy village.

As is, Megs is polishing her crown and wanting to spring board off her new found fame (still not seeing the difference between celebrities and royalty) to relaunch her acting career or at the very least be an influential socialite under the guise of offering charity.

If they really cared about charitable works and giving to charity, they would have made darn sure their costs to others were minimal.

BubblesBuddy

I think it can be hard as you cannot escape from duty.

But they can!

Yes, because it's unusual, there would have been a fuss and a kerfuffle.

But, ultimately, Haich could have renounced his royal status and claim to the throne.
He'd have walked away with £34 million, a beautiful wife who he loves and his son.

The furore would have been over in a year maximum (imo, obviously) and he'd be left with what would be a dream life for many.

In effect he’s virtually done that, except he didn’t go the whole way! He still wants the big houses and the feeling of importance. He’s not going to accept what normal realky jeans and certainly Meghan won’t.

Great post RosesandIris. Couldn’t agree more.

I really meant that all his adult life, and that of the Queens close family, appear to feel burdened by duty at one time or another. I think though, as they mature, they do see it differently. They will also be friends with people who do “have it all” and don’t have public duty. They are not friends with mere mortals. Harry didn’t invite huge numbers of army pals to his wedding did he? He could have done. Where were the ordinary privates he worked with? He has huge privilege and his deeds don’t match the rhetoric.

Really means - not jeans!

Brilliant post roseandiris

nail/head roseandiris.

And can I add to it: the complete lack of understanding of tone in communications, the difference between sleb/Royalty, and an overwhelming arrogance on both their parts?

Also loving the Common People analogy rayandgoldensun, me too every time!

Great summation Roses. Its a shame to see the sulky entitled person he’s turned into. The way they treated Canada was appalling. They are burning their bridges at such a fast rate. Also...going to LA..after all the gushing over Canada, and saying they wouldn’t live in the US while Trump was President just shows how shallow they are. Their words mean nothing, just empty pontificating.

Some great points by rose and Ray there.

It's an interesting thought that Harry has married someone similar to his mother (and William has perhaps done the opposite), Diana did fall out with her family but generally made up after a long period of time. We all make bad choices at times - Diana did, I think Harry has a tendency to as well.

William's recent video just comes across as much more natural and friendly, the way they both laughed when the teacher slid into view wearing bunny ears - 'that's a strong look' said William. More fun, less pretentious ancient greek derivatives. How can M&H not see that? It is the bunker mentality.

I have said in the past that I thought Harry needed to take a step back for health reasons and I still think that's true, especially if he takes a complete break. But by break I meant a quiet life away from the press, not completely cutting off his own family and moving abroad. I don't think that's going to help him at all tbh, and will increase the bunker mentality mode.

Some brilliant posts there.

Had thought about the similarity of Diana & Harry Re the cat & mouse with the press. But it hadn’t occurred to me that Harry has married someone like his mum. But yes she did often fall out with her family I seem to recall.

I’d really like to sit Harry down with a cuppa and just tell him to let it all pour out. Then I’d gently suggest to him that whilst he has every right to put his wife and child first , is it really worth cutting himself off from the rest of his family who seem to love him dearly. I’d show him that pic of the Queens face when she saw Archie for the first time...sheer delight. And I’d remind him of his one time closeness with Kate , how she was like a sister to him. Then I’d say it’s not all his fault but maybe be the bigger person and reach out to them.

Then I’d tell him to wash his mug up before he goes!

Or tell him that his name is Harry Wales, not Harry Wails.

Or tell him that his name is Harry Wales, not Harry Wails.

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