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Another FABCat thread. Sorry about that but DH and DCs are all busy and I want to chat

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JustFabulous · 20/07/2012 18:53

FABCat now has cancer on top of her other ailments. She is on medication for those and is doing really well. I think I have almost fully decided that she is not going to have surgery wobbles so really I need to know what is going to happen to her as time goes on and when is it time for the dreaded last trip to the vet?

Can I just have a strop here? I know she is 17, I know she is old, but it feels like I have only had her five minutes but at at the same time can't remember life pre my PFC. When ever she went, even at 25 years old, would be too soon.

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NaturalNatures · 20/07/2012 19:15

So sorry you're going through this. It's so difficult.

Rant away, I was going to offer advice but upset myself so....

Watch out for her stopping her normal behaviour ie eating/drinking/going out.
Arrange for the vet to come out to pts I took mine in but she had a heart attack on the way
Look into burial/cremation.
Spoil her but don't cuddle too tightly incase it hurts.
Watch for fluid retention and get that seen too.

So so sorry.

JustFabulous · 20/07/2012 19:29

Sorry Sad, didn't mean to upset anyone.

So far she is still doing all her normal stuff. Though her back end balance is wobbly.

I assumed I would take her to the surgery to be pts but they are lovely. You get the last appointment of the day and they are so kind. They let you go without paying if you need to get home to disolve into sobs

DH won't have her buried in the garden as we will move at some point and I am unsure about where to scatter her ashes. Her favourite spots are the sofa and driveway, not sure I can scatter them there.

She has never been an overly cuddly cat but shows her affection in other ways by biting and hissing

I don't understand what you mean about fluid retention [being thick emoticon].

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Fluffycloudland77 · 20/07/2012 20:05

We had 4 cats pts when I was younger, we buried them in the garden.

When they stop eating/drinking it's time. I'm so sorry. It's such a shame we can't have them forever, mines 3 and I dread losing him.

You just can't have enough time with them.

JustFabulous · 20/07/2012 20:15

I haven't had anyone in my life as long as I have had my cat. She means everything to me. She sleeps next to me on the sofa in the evening and then goes over to Daddy about half nine when she wants her biscuits and to go to bed.

Before she went to sleep her back end was wobbly and gave way. Is that her arthritis or something else? I left her on the sofa when I went out this morning and when DH got home she had peed on the floor in the utility room.

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NaturalNatures · 20/07/2012 20:37

Does she have a tumour pressing on her spine/hips anywhere?

Mine stopped being able to get in/to the tray so I got several low sided trays.

The fluid was a build up from the pressure on her heart and caused breathing problems.

We were given a leaflet for a crematorium who provide urns as we don't have a garden, you can get cat shaped ones, or there's pet cemetarys?

You will know when it's time. I'd spoil her a lot.

JustFabulous · 20/07/2012 20:50

The cancer is in her breast but she has arthritis so I am assuming that is causing the back end problem. I wonder if that is linked to her kidney trouble - she wees in the wrong places and doesn't put her bottom right down when she used to use the tray.

She snores when asleep and sounds noisier than usual.

Oh God, is she suffering and I have missed it?

How will I know if she is in pain?

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pepperrabbit · 20/07/2012 21:35

I have had the discussion with my vet about the quality of life my cat has, she's 14, has one functioning kidney, a heart murmur and hyperthyroidism, his view was if she's eating, grooming, weeing and pooing and kind of settled (as in not agitated). Then she has a satisfactory quality of life as she wouldn't do all those if she was in pain.
She sleeps a LOT and in very curious positions but I think she's doing ok.
I hope I would know if she wasn't, and I suspect you are so close to Fabcat that you would too if it came to it.
So sorry, it's awful to see them like that.

JustFabulous · 20/07/2012 21:43

She even still plays with her toy and cries over it. I sometimes wonder if she wants a baby as her toy is soft pom poms.

She has gone to bed now.

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Wolfiefan · 20/07/2012 21:51

So sorry to hear this. We lost our gorgeous black boy last year.
Towards the end he lost lots of weight, fur lost shine he would sometimes hunch and look a bit sorry for himself. He even smelt. (Poor boy)
Sorry if this upsets you but it's about quality of life. Purring when being cuddled or stretching out in the sun or enjoying special food (ours love fish) would all suggest to me it's not time yet. Ours certainly didn't play near the end. Hoping for a peaceful ending to the story.
Memories last forever.

JustFabulous · 20/07/2012 22:08

She still plays though less. Every day though. She purrs. Like a steam train Grin. The day we got the bad news DH and I were talking about things she has done. I just love her.

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JustFabulous · 20/07/2012 22:12

She is a tough cookie. She had a stroke and we didn't know. She just adapted.

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MyLittleFluffball · 21/07/2012 11:38

I'm really sorry about your dear cat. :(

I do know how you feel. I obsessively adored my 14-year-old cat who died from Stage IV lymphoma last November. (I wrote about it on this website and got lots of helpful advice that you may also like to read, you can find the thread if you search my username.) I was so upset about her diagnosis, her decline, and her death. Looking at photos of her now, or thinking too much about her, will still cause me to start crying and feeling terrible that she has died. But I have accepted that this is an inevitable and natural stage in one's relationship with every beautiful and cherished pet. I have also accepted that I did the right thing in not choosing to treat her cancer aggressively. Hopefully you can come to these acceptances too, over time.

Considering that we cannot protect our pets from death, as good pet owners we can do our best to ensure that our pets are given a dignified, loving, and gentle death, rather than a painful, scary, or protracted one. That is why I personally would not choose to operate on, or give chemotherapy to, a geriatric cat with cancer. When my cat was sick and I was agonising over what to do regarding treatment, I was told so many stories about people who chose to aggressively treat their pets who were terminally ill, and the pets died alone at the vets, or on the operating table, or due to a complication of the treatment (such as chemotherapy). These people had huge regrets. I have no regrets, apart from the fact that my cat had to die. :( At the time, though, I felt that I had chosen to murder my cat, and you may feel that way too initially, but I know that you will know - as I knew - when it is right to protect your cat from further suffering through euthanasia, and at that point death cannot be avoided, it is a matter of how it happens. With time, you accept that too. Be wary of vets who push aggressive treatments when there is a significant risk your cat would not cope, a good vet would not push such treatments in such a situation. I know none of my vets (I consulted three) did - they told me the options, but all three seemed to prefer the option of doing nothing/treating palliatively.

You don't have to worry about how you will know, you will truly know. I worried a lot about this too, but there comes a point where you feel it is cruel to allow your cat to suffer or decline further. You may feel guilty and desperately worried that she may die before the vet can see her. Usual signs include hiding away, not showing joy in your presence or purring when you pat her, disinterest in eating or drinking, lack of personal dignity/hygiene in the way that your cat usually carries herself, appears in discomfort or pain, obvious physical signs of the cancer, etc. My cat did swell up with fluid - lymphodoema, a result of her cancer. Ascites is similar and can also be a result of cancer, I don't know if pets get it but I imagine they do. It may not happen for your cat though.

I'm sorry to be all doom and gloom, just trying to be helpful by giving information, let me know if I shouldn't because it's too upsetting for you. On a positive note, enjoy every minute with your cat, don't obsess over different things being a sign of cancer - I did, it's not helpful and doesn't change anything - and remember that death is a natural stage of life. And your cat's life has been full and she has been utterly loved - the best life a cat can hope for! You don't know how long your cat has left, she could have months/years and you don't want to spoil that time by worrying.

JustFabulous · 21/07/2012 17:56

Thank you very much for such a long poast. It was very very helpful.

FABCat has eaten almost all her tea Grin and is now sleeping next to me. I think the lump is affecting her as she has started changing where she puts her leg. She also looked enormous when on the floor last night - is that the swelling? She has always been a large lady but looked even bigger then. DH said it was the way she was laid.

The vet hasn't rung so I am wondering if I am meant to ring him. I am almost certain she is not going to have the operation. Everyone is saying how old she is and she won't have long left but I feel if she died at 50 it would be too soon, so I am not sure it is the right thing but I am trying not to be selfish by letting her have the rest of her life as she is now and not going through a major operation.

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JustFabulous · 21/07/2012 17:56

post, clearly Blush.

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JustFabulous · 22/07/2012 11:34

FABCat weed all over the floor inside then walked to the bottom of the garden and weed again. I know losing control of their bladders is a bad sign but how am I supposed to know if it is that or she isn't going out for another reason?

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JustFabulous · 23/07/2012 09:41

She has weed all over the floor again. Waiting for a call back from the vet..

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JustFabulous · 23/07/2012 13:42

I am picking up tablets for her later and I am told the vet we will not be operating. Just going to spoil her and enjoy every day I have with her.

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Migsy1 · 23/07/2012 14:45

Sorry about your cat. I've been there twice.

My first cat died at 18 through kidney disease. Her back legs started to collapse late in her illness as the disease affects the metabolism of protein so they lose muscle strength. She also needed the toilet more because she drank a lot so we got a litter tray. She died about 20 years ago!

The other cat died a few months ago of mammary carcinoma. She had it (I think) for about 18 months and was operated on about 4 months before she died. The tumour broke through her skin. When it was removed the vet found many other tumours nearby so he removed most of her mammary glands and it was a huge operation. She recovered from it very well though and she didn't suffer too much from it.

The tumours came back quite quickly (within about 3 months). The vet said that they would break through the skin again and she would have to be pts as they would cause infected abscesses.

However, this never happened and she had a fabulous life until about a week before her death when her lungs filled with fluid. The tumours had spread to her lungs. There was no indication of the spread until she became short of breath. She was struggling to breathe so I knew then it was time.

She was a wonderful cat and followed me everywhere for 15 years. I miss her but I'm so glad I had her and I know I treated her illness the best I could.

I would take advice from your vet - find out the pros and cons of surgery and ask how long it would prolong her life. My cat had a good 4 months from it. Luckily she was insured so the money was not an issue. The vet did offer to put me in touch with a feline oncologist for chemo but he advised me against going down that route.

Good luck and enjoy your remaining time with your cat. xx

JustFabulous · 23/07/2012 16:14

Money isn't an issue. What she has given me is priceless but she can't have the op. It would be too much for her. We just have to take it a day at a time.

I am sorry for your losses Sad.

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JustFabulous · 24/07/2012 18:39

I have been out and bought her a new toy today. She hasn't even sniffed it yet!

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reluctanttownie · 25/07/2012 10:15

I just wanted to say how sorry I am for you and your lovely cat. I dread to think how hard it must be. and am welling up reading about it. I haven't even had my two beautiful girls a year yet, but I am so devoted to them and they really light up my life. I already dread losing them and think that no amount of time would be enough with them. One of my worst nightmares is to see them suffering.

So sorry for you Sad. Cherish every day. Fabcat has a wonderful owner - she is a happy and lucky cat.

JustFabulous · 25/07/2012 16:56

Thank you.

I am really confused. She weed on the floor again Sad but has been outside sunbathing Grin. She is limping a bit Sad but is able to jump on the sofa Grin.

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GarryBaldy · 25/07/2012 17:13

We lost my lovely old lady last year, aged 22. In the end she died at home in the evening, but we had an appt at the vets the next day to have her put to sleep. She had kidney disease and the general ailments of old age in her last few years, and like you I was so worried that I wouldn't know when the right time was, and would leave her to suffer. In the end she took the initiative and took herself off to die Sad- she always was stubborn! We managed to find her (she'd walked about half a mile, an incredible feat given her age and general wobbliness), but she just wasn't right when we got her home. She died the next evening.

What i'm trying to say is I think you will know when it's time to do right by FABcat. You obviously adore him, and you will be sad, but as other posters have said, planning ahead will make things easier. We had our lady cremated and have the ashes in a casket (we do plan to bury them but haven't got around to it!). They sit on the windowsill. I also treated myself to a canvas pic of her that's on the wall in the study, so she's watching me whilst I work mumsnet.

Enjoy your time with FABcat, and please always remember that you've given her a fab life.

JustFabulous · 25/07/2012 17:19

She has given me so much more. I have just spoilt her with nice food and gorgeous bean bags and beds. She also had kitten milk and vitamins. The vet has said she has done much better than expected because of how well I have looked after her so I am relieved I have done okay for her.
I really hope she doesn't take herself off to die, I would be devastated if she did that and especially if we couldn't find her.

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GarryBaldy · 25/07/2012 17:28

Sorry I referred to him when FABcat is most obviously a fine laydee!