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Cockapoo breeders

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KingRoland · 08/08/2025 13:50

Please could you let me know if you have had any experience of Adevantia in Stafford or Hounds of Harvington for Cockapoos or Cavapoos.

Potential first time puppy owners here, feeling wary and want to get it right.

Thank you.

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tsmainsqueeze · 08/08/2025 22:32

KingRoland · 08/08/2025 15:27

Sorry - I should have said health tested not health checked. Genetic screening tests showing PRA and FN clear.

I will take your comments onboard and look into poodles.

Glad to read this , i work in a vets we are inundated with cockapoos ,of course we see nice ones but the majority are hard work nut jobs ,quite a few are managed with doggy prozac.
Thankfully the trend seems to be possibly waning ,watch this space for the next 'fashion' 🙄
I quite agree with those suggesting a poodle, and i'm another who wouldn't touch the kennels you mentioned and anything similar with a barge pole, dogs are nothing but a commodity for them.

OnlyHerefortheBiscuits · 08/08/2025 23:01

KingRoland · 08/08/2025 22:09

How did you find your poodles @alwaysstressed and @OnlyHerefortheBiscuits?

I have had a look at some dog trainers on SM and cocker spaniels seemed to be quite common.
Would these be an advisable dog breed?! My cousin had a cocker spaniel when we were growing up and she was gorgeous.

I don't have a poodle, I have a doodle but for all the reasons I mentioned in my post on page 1, I would recommend a full poodle.

I think I have been (pardon my french) really fucking lucky with my doodle considering how clueless I was.

My hypothetical second dog that I keep talking about but will probably never get will be a full poodle. I would start with some of the links already posted on the thread such as champ dogs and the kennel clubs find a puppy function.

Cone back to this forum with specific litters if you have questions and there will be people to help you.

And if you have to travel a bit to get a well bred puppy then so be it. That's the first of the many investments you'll be making in your dog.

Objectrelations · 08/08/2025 23:13

Yep I have two poodles. They are wonderful, fun, easy to train, loving, non shedding, have stable temperaments, great recall. I got them from a kennel club assured breeder.

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OnlyHerefortheBiscuits · 09/08/2025 08:02

@KingRoland OP from a once totally clueless buyer who bought my doodle off pets4homes within 24hours, knowing nothing about buying puppies ethically or even anything about dogs generally.... (I'll get my hard hat for that!!)

...to another unsure potential buyer, how about this:

Step 1: Know the Breed Basics

  • Decide which size suits your lifestyle: Standard, Miniature, or Toy. (and buying an actual poodle not a doodle will mean the size you buy is the size you'll get!)
  • Standard poodles will require more food and exercise than miniatures and everything generally from grooming to food to vet stuff will be more expensive because the dog is bigger. That being said, standards are glorious!
  • The Miniature version was bred hundreds of years ago to be a companion version of the (hunting and working) standard. So think calmer temperament, less prey drive but still dead clever and needs 60-90 mins of daily walks like most dogs.
  • Understand that reputable breeders do not breed for “rare” merle colours or market puppies as “teacup” poodles (that’s a red flag).

Step 2: Start Your Search in the Right Places

The Kennel Club (KC) Assured Breeder Scheme is your safest starting point, but not all good breeders are members.
Look at these websites:

  • The Poodle Council of Great Britain - they have actual contact details on this page for all the regional poodle clubs. Get in contact with your nearest one and have a conversation. If you contact them saying you're looking for a poodle and would like some help to get it right, they will be very happy to help you. They are very knowledgable and I'm sure happy to help.
  • The Kennel Club's find a puppy function on their website
  • Avoid Gumtree, Facebook Marketplace, pets4homes - these are often hotbeds for poorly bred dogs. Reputable breeders don't need to use these sites.

Step 3: Understand Required Health Tests
Every poodle breeding dog should be tested before breeding, and you should see proof for both sire (dad) and dam (mum). These are important because you want a healthy dog who's body won't crumble painfully before its time costing you a fortune in heartache for the family and vet bills.

A) DNA Tests – prevent passing on inherited diseases:

Conducted by Laboklin, Animal Genetics UK, or Pet Genetics Lab. ( a company called Wisdom Panel is not good enough for breeders - it's for curious dog owners. )

  • PRA-PRCD (Progressive Retinal Atrophy – blindness)
  • vWD Type 1 (Von Willebrand’s Disease – clotting disorder)
  • DM (Degenerative Myelopathy – mobility loss in older dogs)
  • NE (Neonatal Encephalopathy – fatal brain disorder) – mainly in Standards
  • rcd4-PRA (late-onset PRA – especially in Standards)

The paperwork you should see for this is:
A certificate from the testing company, showing: Dog’s registered name, KC registration number, Microchip number, Clear/Carrier/Affected status. The breeder should show you certificates for both parents. (even if they don't own both parents)

B) Eye Examinations
Physical exam carried out by a BVA/KC/ISDS Eye Scheme Panel Vet (you can find them on the BVA website).

  • Tests for cataracts, PRA signs, and other hereditary eye issues.
  • Needs to be done annually for breeding dogs.

The paperwork you should see for this: An official Eye Examination Certificate signed and stamped by the ophthalmologist.

C) Hip Scores (more common for standard poodles so I'm told but I could be wrong) –
The breeder’s vet X-rays of both parents dog’s hips under sedation.
The X-rays are sent to the British Veterinary Association (BVA) where two independent specialists score each hip against 9 different features.
Each feature gets 0–6 points (0 = perfect, 6 = bad).
The lower the number, the better the hip, but ideally you want even scores on both rather than 0 and 4.

Paperwork you should see: A KC/BVA certificate showing left and right scores and total. Again, both parents.

D) How inbred is the puppy that you're looking at?
Inbreeding = bad. We know that right? You get all sorts of horrid problems by too much inbreeding. But how do you know?? The Coefficient of Inbreeding score (COI) is one of those things most first-time puppy buyers have never heard of, but it’s actually one of the most useful pieces of information you can get from a KC-registered litter. It's expressed as a percentage.
The Kennel Club publishes the breed average COI for each breed:

  • Standard Poodle – around 4–5%
  • Miniature Poodle – around 5–6%
  • Toy Poodle – around 4–5%

What you want: pick a puppy with a COI lower than the breed average. If the breeder can't provide you with this, or at least the mum and dad's KC names for you to check the COI% yourself on KC website...then run. After all... they should know who the mum and dad are...

(KC names are just long fancy names as a way of identifying a particular dog amongst all their registered dogs... they're crazy names a bit like race-horses... think "White snow MoonRise Daunty" etc)

You might have noticed that health tests A-C above were carried out by different companies and different methods. You should see separate paperwork for each of these tests. If a breed shows you a bit of paper with everything official on one page they've made it up in microsoft word and you should run run run.

The tests also frightfully expensive to carry out, hip scoring can cost a breeder about £400 per dog. Dodgy breeders don't bother (it'll eat into their profits after all!) but poor hip structure can mean a painful life for your dog down the line.

Step 4: Shortlist Breeders Who Provide Full Transparency
Be bold and confident. You wouldn't buy a house without asking all the questions

  • “Can I see all health test results for both parents?” (and I mean all... like above)
  • “How many litters does the dam have, and how often?” (More than 4 litters in her entire lifetime or or more than one a year = red flag.)
  • “Can I meet the mother with the puppies?” (If they say no — walk away.)
  • It's been said that owning both the mum and dad as family dogs can be a red flag... what are the chances that the breeder just happened to own the perfect mating match for their dog? Good breeders plan a mating months and months ahead and travel to errrr.... get the deed done.

Step 5: Visit the Breeder

  • Puppies should be raised in the home, not a shed or outbuilding.
  • Mum should be healthy, friendly, and attentive to her litter.
  • The breeder should be keen to ask you questions, in fact they should grill you — good breeders want to know their pups are going to the right home. A good breeder will want you to visit a couple of times.
  • They will also want you to sign a contract that says you must return the puppy to them rather than a shelter if you cannot look after it anymore.

Step 6: Check the Paperwork Before You Pay
You should receive:

  • KC Registration Certificate (purple certificate – shows “endorsed” status, usually “Progeny not eligible for registration” and “Export pedigree not allowed” until health checks are done — this is good practice).
  • Microchip paperwork (required by law before 8 weeks old).
  • Puppy Contract (ideally from The Puppy Contract scheme – puppycontract.org.uk).
  • Copies of all health test certificates for both parents.
  • Vaccination card (if any jabs given before collection).

Step 7: Don’t Pay in Full Until Collection

  • A small deposit is normal (often £200–£300).
  • Only pay the balance when collecting your puppy at 8+ weeks.
  • Payment should be traceable (bank transfer, not cash in hand).

🐾 How to Tell if a Breeder is Ethical (this is where it gets heated on The Doghouse)

A decent, ethical breeder will:

  • Put health and temperament above profit.
  • Breed only from health-tested dogs (with proof).
  • Raise puppies in a stimulating, clean home environment.
  • Be happy to answer questions and provide lifelong support.(i.e return the puppy to them NOT woodgreen)
  • Ask you as many questions as you ask them.
  • Have a waiting list — truly ethical breeders don’t have constant availability because they don't breed their dogs like machines and plan matches carefully in advance with the best match doggy-dad.
  • Don't despair at this part. It just means you might not get a healthy puppy this month from an ethical breeder who happens to live in your county. You might have to travel several hours, or wait until spring, and that is totally reasonable. It's the first investment you're making in your family dog, probably the most important one - and if you do it will pay off big time.

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If in doubt at all, phone the number for your local poodle club in the link above via poodle council of great Britain, and ask them for help!

I'm sure I have made mistakes in the above or left bits out, but it must be so overwhelming to want to get it right, but having never done it before (and probably only doing once!)

OnlyHerefortheBiscuits · 09/08/2025 08:04

It's taken me ages to write all that out and makes me think we should have a pinned item at the top of The DogHouse on "I want an ethically bred puppy - where do I start?"

(written by someone more knowledgeable than me obvs...)

MonCoubousMonTourmalet · 09/08/2025 08:09

Great post @OnlyHerefortheBiscuits
Thank you ❤

Mustbethat · 09/08/2025 10:50

I agree about the “seeing mum and dad” bit. It always seems to be presented as a huge positive, but if the breeder owns both then the inbreeding coefficients will likely be extremely high.

preferable to match up a stud dog for each litter to get the best puppies. Any issues with previous litters can be addressed as well with a new stud.

LandSharksAnonymous · 09/08/2025 11:19

I don't agree with this above, as I think you've given too high a number for the health test costs, but I do agree with most other things:

The tests also frightfully expensive to carry out, hip scoring can cost a breeder about £400 per dog. Dodgy breeders don't bother (it'll eat into their profits after all!) but poor hip structure can mean a painful life for your dog down the line.

All the tests I ran on Pen (who has just had a litter - she's a Goldie) cost me about £500 (and that included both hips, both elbows, her eyes, DNA etc). She's fully health tested to KC standards and also had a heart examine done. So, actually, it makes it even worse that so many dogs are not fully health tested. It doesn't run into 'profits' as it's so insanely cheap to do. Not doing it is for one reason only, and it's not because it eats into profits, it's because the owner of that dog knows their dog will preform poorly on those tests.

OnlyHerefortheBiscuits · 09/08/2025 12:31

LandSharksAnonymous · 09/08/2025 11:19

I don't agree with this above, as I think you've given too high a number for the health test costs, but I do agree with most other things:

The tests also frightfully expensive to carry out, hip scoring can cost a breeder about £400 per dog. Dodgy breeders don't bother (it'll eat into their profits after all!) but poor hip structure can mean a painful life for your dog down the line.

All the tests I ran on Pen (who has just had a litter - she's a Goldie) cost me about £500 (and that included both hips, both elbows, her eyes, DNA etc). She's fully health tested to KC standards and also had a heart examine done. So, actually, it makes it even worse that so many dogs are not fully health tested. It doesn't run into 'profits' as it's so insanely cheap to do. Not doing it is for one reason only, and it's not because it eats into profits, it's because the owner of that dog knows their dog will preform poorly on those tests.

Thanks I knew you'd pop in to verify/not verify!

OP - I did not do any of this, the temperament of my puppy I appear to have been lucky but who knows re all the other stuff. Of course I love her so much I could cry and she's my best friend 🥹 but the only thing I can do now is pay through the nose for the best lifetime insurance and cross my fingers for her health.

You don't have to live with that uncertainty, if you can be patient and diligent.

KingRoland · 09/08/2025 13:04

Thanks so so much for this @OnlyHerefortheBiscuits☺️.

I have been looking at the poodles but some of the health testing levels aren’t looking great tbh😞

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OnlyHerefortheBiscuits · 09/08/2025 13:59

KingRoland · 09/08/2025 13:04

Thanks so so much for this @OnlyHerefortheBiscuits☺️.

I have been looking at the poodles but some of the health testing levels aren’t looking great tbh😞

Eye opening isn't it! When you get down to the nitty gritty of what the breeders out there are offering.

Don't let the scarcity panic you into buying something/anything. It's like looking for houses and jobs... you only need one right one to come up!

And it's out there - it just might not be as obvious.

Good luck xxx

drivinmecrazy · 09/08/2025 15:03

Definitely get a poodle, wish we had one!
we have a Weimaraner cos it’s what family members have always had.
but year before we got our pup DD1 & I walked a friends poodle and she was an absolute dream.
she was intelligent, wasn’t anything like the Velcro dog we have now.
A huge personality!!
when we flew home DD&I were raving about her but all DD2 & DH could picture was a poodle with a ridiculous hair style.

so we were overruled.

honestly most days I rue the fact that we didn’t push for a poodle more.

our Weimaraner is emotionally and physically super intelligent, but as stubborn as fuck.
as for leaving him to go to the loo, forget it!!

if I could have my time again I would 100% go for a standard poodle.

im sure you’ll never regret it.

if you ever do, then borrow my dog and you’ll be forever grateful to have a poodle 😂

Victoriouslyvictorious · 09/08/2025 16:34

The stupid haircuts that poodles can have are not so prevalent these days. We have our poodle cut the same all over and lo and behold, she looks like a normal dog.

Those ridiculous haircuts haven’t done the breed any favours in terms of popularity and can go some way to explaining the rise in poodle crosses.

Someone said to me that the cockapoos are much cuter to look at than poodles. She then went on to say how cute my cockapoo was. She looked stunned when I told her that my dog is a fucking poodle. 😂

SpanielsGalore · 09/08/2025 16:50

@Victoriouslyvictorious To be honest, I've only ever seen poodles with shaved faces and didn't realise that wasn't natural until seeing people's poodle photos on MN recently. I'm totally falling in love with them now. I need to get one to go with my cockers. 😁

Pippatpip · 09/08/2025 16:59

May I suggest you wait and visit Discover Dogs at Crufts or another major dog show. That way you see the breeds altogether and can ask owners regarding the realities. I think you sound like you could offer a dog a lot but would urge you to look at some of the at risk, vulnerable native breeds such as the skye terrier, wheaten terrier, Dandie Dinmont, but can also see more unusual breeds too.

MonCoubousMonTourmalet · 09/08/2025 17:11

I mentioned the KC at risk breeds too @Pippatpip . The problem is, that Crufts isn't until next March, so it would mean quite a wait to even see these numerically small breeds.
I agree that something like a Wheaten Terrier would be a great option.

Isitsticky · 09/08/2025 17:21

Have PM'd you OP.

WinWhenTheyreSinging · 09/08/2025 17:39

KingRoland · 09/08/2025 13:04

Thanks so so much for this @OnlyHerefortheBiscuits☺️.

I have been looking at the poodles but some of the health testing levels aren’t looking great tbh😞

You are looking for a pup that should be with you for about 15 years, god willing. Don’t expect to find it in a couple of days - not least because ‘buy in haste, depend at leisure’ is applicable in no small measure to buying animals.

Find a breeder who has the values you need, meet them and their dogs, then book a puppy from a future litter and wait. Use the time to learn, identify socialisation and training classes.

IchLiebeDeutscheSchaferhunde · 09/08/2025 17:43

Isitsticky · 09/08/2025 17:21

Have PM'd you OP.

Why?

What can't be said on here?

Op, if anyone PMs you offering a pup then 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

MonCoubousMonTourmalet · 09/08/2025 17:45

IchLiebeDeutscheSchaferhunde · 09/08/2025 17:43

Why?

What can't be said on here?

Op, if anyone PMs you offering a pup then 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

Yes, this occurred to me also.

Please be wary @KingRoland

WinWhenTheyreSinging · 09/08/2025 18:08

WinWhenTheyreSinging · 09/08/2025 17:39

You are looking for a pup that should be with you for about 15 years, god willing. Don’t expect to find it in a couple of days - not least because ‘buy in haste, depend at leisure’ is applicable in no small measure to buying animals.

Find a breeder who has the values you need, meet them and their dogs, then book a puppy from a future litter and wait. Use the time to learn, identify socialisation and training classes.

REPENT. REPENT at leisure. (Teach me to read preview …)

Isitsticky · 09/08/2025 18:47

IchLiebeDeutscheSchaferhunde · 09/08/2025 17:43

Why?

What can't be said on here?

Op, if anyone PMs you offering a pup then 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

No, not offering a puppy.

Victoriouslyvictorious · 09/08/2025 19:20

Pippatpip · 09/08/2025 16:59

May I suggest you wait and visit Discover Dogs at Crufts or another major dog show. That way you see the breeds altogether and can ask owners regarding the realities. I think you sound like you could offer a dog a lot but would urge you to look at some of the at risk, vulnerable native breeds such as the skye terrier, wheaten terrier, Dandie Dinmont, but can also see more unusual breeds too.

Dog Dancing GIF

Poodles at Crufts look ridiculous, just bear that in mind.

IchLiebeDeutscheSchaferhunde · 09/08/2025 21:01

Isitsticky · 09/08/2025 18:47

No, not offering a puppy.

So why the secrecy?

MonCoubousMonTourmalet · 09/08/2025 21:10

IchLiebeDeutscheSchaferhunde · 09/08/2025 21:01

So why the secrecy?

Perhaps either recommending certain breeders or advising against other breeders that should be avoided at all costs...?

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