Cockapoo breeders

[KingRoland]

Please could you let me know if you have had any experience of Adevantia in Stafford or Hounds of Harvington for Cockapoos or Cavapoos.

Potential first time puppy owners here, feeling wary and want to get it right.

Thank you.

Well the second one is a puppy farm (and a very well known one). I'd be willing to bet my first born that the first one is as well.

Edit: and to add in 2021 the first 'kennel' you named got a 1 (star)* from their local council. Which basically means they abused their animals. Getting a 5 is the bare minimum* in breeding your dogs. They had six breeding bitches of 3 different breeds.

A quick google of the first name told me all I needed to know.

Try a pedigree, OP.

Would you not consider a purebred puppy rather than a crossbreed?
If you get a purebred there are breed clubs that can help you to find a reputable breeder whose dogs have had all the recommended health testing for the breed. There are also gorgeous rare breeds in decline that need support.

No judgement from me - a doodle owner with my first dog.

HOWEVER, I now know better.

Honestly get a poodle. Doodles are often poorly bred in terms of health (and sometimes conditions of the bitch) and you're taking your chances with a dog that might cost you a lot of heart ache and vet bills down the line.

poodles basically look like teddy bears "naturally". you don't have to specifically have them groomed in that Pom Pom style.

They are far more predictable in terms of temperament, they are less nuts, more stable and with the added benefit of being able to have generational health tests from the kennel club.

They even come in three predictable sizes and about 3-4 different colours to choose from.

These are poodles

Most things that people love about the doodle....is the poodle.

Honestly- get a poodle.

Oh no! 😩
I have been googling constantly, but couldn’t find anything negative on either of these places.
Hounds of Harvington seem to be a 5* licensed breeder and Adevantia also seemed to be similar from what I could find? Both have declared the parent dogs are fully health checked and KC registered.
Already feel quite nervous about the whole thing, so you may have just put me off completely!

Health checked is only a snapshot in time of how that particular dog is on a particular day.

It doesn't tell you anything about what diseases they are carriers for and could pass the genes onto their pups. Generational health testing (not health checking) is what will give you insight into that.

KC registered is just a register, nothing more.

I’m glad that the first post have put you off, please look at poodles or other pure breeds.

The doodles have had their day and are a blumming nightmare around my area, snappy, barking, nervous and neurotic dogs.. and yes you do get some lovely ones!

Being licensed means absolutely nothing in terms of whether somewhere is a puppy farm.

And all “health checked” means is that a vet has looked at the dogs and deemed them healthy at that moment in time.

As PP said, get a poodle.

A good rule of thumb:

Anyone who boats about being a 5* licensed breeder, or has a snazzy website, or speaks about their 'health checked' dogs [but not health tests] or their 'KC registered' dog, or has multiple breeding bitches but no older dogs is not someone you want to buy a puppy from.

I would strong encourage you to look at the KC website and consider a poodle. They are brilliant dogs for first time owners. They are intelligent, loyal, affectionate, and good with children and other dogs. There is no need for anyone to mix them with anything when they are the perfect dog. And, most importantly, it'll be a hell of a lot easier to find a good, ethical, poodle breeder.

All licensed dog breeders (pedigree or crossbreed) must display/provide their licence number and the licensing council. I strongly recommend that you enquire with the council about how many breeding animals they are licensed for, in the first instance and avoid any of the larger ones.

A very significant amount of breeders producing these crossbreeds are puppy farms. They may have fancy websites/pages, they may post cute photos, they may even have proof of DNA health testing - but it doesn't change the reality for the animals in their 'care'.

Buying a puppy is always tricky, but you will stack the odds in your favour by going to a show breeder who can show you generations of dogs who have had success in the showring. This won't particularly matter as a pet - and often pups produced may be a bit big/bit small/not so well marked etc. - but it will demonstrate that they have bred dogs that look and behave typically for their breed.

Sorry - I should have said health tested not health checked. Genetic screening tests showing PRA and FN clear.

I will take your comments onboard and look into poodles.

I’m a life long dog owner. My background is all with one particular breed.

One of my adult children has a cockapoo. As lovely as he is, I would not recommend a cockapoo for a first time dog owner.

Here is our 5 year old miniature poodle. He spent a week with my friend and her family recently. They had been planning to get a cockerpoo but are now besotted with our boy and planning to get a poodle instead. Friend who has owned dogs before said he's the easiest dog she's ever had.

We can't take credit, as first time dog owners ourselves. He's just very well-bred from a reputable breeder.

How do you ensure you find a reputable breeder?

Another recommendation here to go for a poodle, NOT a cockapoo or any designer “doodle”.

You’d probably find a Border Terrier a good fit too.

He is gorgeous

I was a dog walker for a cockerpoo for a while. I eventually had to stop working with them as he was becoming more and more aggressive, with absolutely zero triggers. The last time I was with him, I went to get a glass of water, he followed, and then all of a sudden began attempting to savage my feet. Had I not been wearing boots, I dread to think what damage he could have done.
He had issues since he was a puppy, and was only getting worse, not better.
He was absolutely impossible to walk without at least 3 complete meltdowns each time, growling, spinning around on the end of the lead and attempting to maul the air

I was just saying to my friend I really really really want this girl

https://www.champdogs.co.uk/#/litter/74094

but I cannot afford another dog even though i desperately want a standard poodle!

Obviously the breeder has chosen to give her a clean shaved muzzle but you could go teddy if you wanted.

I think champ dogs is pretty reputable, but I'm sure more knowledgeable people will be along to advise

I’m curious - what is it about a mixed breed that appeals to you over a poodle?

In our case it was a recommendation from a friend I trusted. Maybe research your local breed club?

Most people think poodle and think of a sphinx cat crossed with a pom pom. A poodle with a traditional poodle cut is frankly ugly.

Once people see a poodle with a teddy cut, most people can not tell the difference.

Op, what are you looking for in a dog/ why do you want one.

As @IchLiebeDeutscheSchaferhunde said really. My friends all have lovely cockapoos and I don’t have any experience of poodles except for seeing those with funny haircuts.

I am feeling quite empty nesty at the moment and want a dog for walks and company. I have regularly ‘borrowed’ a friend’s dog but feel the time is right for me to have my own.

What about Chase cockapoos and Mini Poodles breeder?

Well, given they announce on their Pets4Homes page that they breed: Cavapoo | Cockapoo | Cocker Spaniel | Labradoodle | Miniature Poodle, I am not sure why you think they would ever be a good breeder.

Yep. Any breeder who breeds five different types of dogs is definitely someone you should not use.

Please just get a pedigree, OP. Gently, you clearly know nothing about dog breeders or the breeding industry as you keep selecting breeders that are patently puppy farms. Your friends 'lovely cockerpoos' were probably bought from puppy farmers and your friends have contributed massively to the cruelty and abuse of animals. I guarantee most of the cockerpoos you have seen out and about, are actually poodles - lots of people confuse them.

Breeding, when done right, is bloody hard work. That's why most good breeders don't have more than one litter every two years or so. It's soul-sucking. It's draining. It's utterly bloody miserable.

Go on the KC website. Look at minature poodles. Fully health tested only. Ask the breeder how many litters they have a year, or per bitch, (anyone who says more than one every few years or more than two a bitch should be avoided) and then go from there.

Also, if you insist on restricting yourself to 'around Derby' (as you appear to be) you are automatically narrowing your field. You need to be prepared to drive a long way for a good breeder - that or wait.

Stop looking for breeders that breed any kind of doodle or poo and just find someone who produces well-bred poodles.

Kennel Club Find a puppy

this is a good place to start OP

Thank you, I’ll have a look there. 👍☺️