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Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - welcome to the teenage wasteland

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Bupster · 02/07/2025 20:32

Buckled (under instruction 😄)

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YorkshireFelix · 03/07/2025 22:13

Thank you for the explanations @CoubousAndTourmalet@LandSharksAnonymous that is genuinely really interesting. Destruction as a motivator sounds wild to me but makes perfect sense for that breed of dog. Mali’s seem to be the new tough man dog of choice around here recently which is very concerning!

I always find your posts about Brie and your previous dogs so interesting as it’s a totally different world to ours and not something I’ve ever come across before. I love your dedication to the breed and how vast your knowledge is. It is funny how all of their personalities have been so different too. I feel like you all rub along well and are perfectly suited to each other (and I hope she grows out of the lead biting!!).

VanGoSunflowers · 03/07/2025 22:45

@CoubousAndTourmalet and @LandSharksAnonymous that was really interesting to me, too! I am only just getting my head around the logic behind training a highly biddable breed that’s very food oriented and wants to please me!

@CoubousAndTourmalet i am in awe of how much you know about PMDs - they seem quite niche if that’s correct to say so? Absolutely stunning dogs and you seem to know exactly how to handle one, it’s very impressive to me!

We went for our first puppy training class earlier which was interesting! It was only a basic, locally run one but I definitely feel it was worthwhile. I felt very embarrassed and flustered a few times because of course, Pablo was all excited to see other pups and wouldn’t ‘perform’ 😂 and they taught us a few things that I hadn’t even heard of! I’m embarrassed to say I may have been over confident before I got there and then got firmly put in my place - in a good way 😂 so I’m going to stick with them. I’m finding it interesting how much having a puppy is making me learn about myself and not just about dogs!

Also - big love for the shark vacuums - I have one and I love it!

VanGoSunflowers · 03/07/2025 22:46

Can I be a cheeky bollocks and and add the first pic to the thread- look at this goofy fecker 😂

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VanGoSunflowers · 03/07/2025 22:59

Oooh sorry for the multiple posts but I got my books through today from the gun dog club- @brushingboots they echo a lot of what you have already posted. I like the way they are written because, although they are for the ‘serious’ working gun dog crowd, the ones that buy their dogs to work them - potentially to an award winning standard - they do make a lot of reference to those of us who have gun dog breeds primarily as companions and family pets.

What I am getting from the books (I’ve read half of the puppy raising one so far) is a more breed-specific way of training my dog, but with an eye on what I want out of him and what I am willing to compromise on. Obviously, I’m not trying to train an award winning pup! I’m just trying to find a way of working with his breeding so he gets what he needs and so do I.

YorkshireFelix · 03/07/2025 23:03

VanGoSunflowers · 03/07/2025 22:46

Can I be a cheeky bollocks and and add the first pic to the thread- look at this goofy fecker 😂

Cheeky bollocks airing his cheeky bollocks 😂

This is Vinny’s pose 90% of the time too. I actually took this last night! Sorry for putting everyone off their supper 🍈🍈

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brushingboots · 03/07/2025 23:08

@VanGoSunflowers I think the idea of working with his breeding is exactly the right way to go. I was saying to @YorkshireFelix in another context the other day that you just have to embrace what your breed is and train the dog in front of you. Our cockers are insane, but they’re not if they get what they need. P will be the same – give him training and enrichment that taps into what’s naturally in his head and he will thrive. Tbh I’m sure he’ll thrive anyway – loads of labs don’t work, don’t even ever pick up a dummy and they’re still fab and they love life. But if you’re up for it and it interests you, why not do some gundog work?

I almost think it’s easier to have a super clever working-line dog because they make it clear what they need. Whether you (one) can get them to do it to a good standard is another thing, but just tapping into it opens up a whole new world for them.

I love how keen you are and it’s so lovely to hear how much you’re enjoying him. So nice to hear a happy story.

VanGoSunflowers · 03/07/2025 23:24

@YorkshireFelix - he’s got his plumbs right out 😂 got to let the air get to them, right?

@brushingboots that’s exactly it! You aren’t aiming for perfection, just working with his/her natural instincts to get what you need and what they need. It hopefully will create harmony. You can’t fight Mother Nature, so work with her. And if I fuck up, that’s ok. As long as you have their best interests at heart and they are fulfilled, you will be too.

I love the idea of dabbling in some gun dog training at some point - I think as a hobby and it’ll help me understand my dog better. But I definitely need to give up a life long habit of trying to run before I walk! For now, a day without a puddle of piss on the floor is a win.

CoubousAndTourmalet · 04/07/2025 00:06

Your enthusiasm for your breed is wonderful @VanGoSunflowers , especially given that it wasn't your first choice. It now sounds like a match made in heaven.

Sometimes these things have a funny way of working out. My parents original plan was to get an Irish Wolfhound, but we ended up with a Pyrenean. And now, 48 years later, here I am with my eighth! Much as I still love Wolfhounds, I know the PMD inside out and I can't imagine my life with any other dog.

I totally agree with @brushingboots that it's about working with what you have and understanding your own breed's mindset. I've always been a great believer in that. It sounds as if you're already getting there, which is amazing given how new your relationship with Pablo is.

@YorkshireFelix Thank you 😊 I'm glad that my bond with my dogs comes across in what I say about them. I know what I rabbit on about isn't always that relevant to gundog training, but I still hope that it might be of interest in some way. Certainly I'm learning loads from being here! A different perspective is always a good thing.

CoubousAndTourmalet · 04/07/2025 00:29

As tonight's theme has been balls... here are some of a different kind. There's actually a red one hidden behind the green one 😆

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MooseBeTimeForSnow · 04/07/2025 01:41

No balls here (on both counts). But optimism with a stick. I don’t know why he likes to hold them at one end. It’s usually so he can turn his head and kneecap whoever is walking him!

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Bupster · 04/07/2025 11:16

Speaking of bollocks akimbo, here's Bill and @brushingboots' Pupsy this morning playing bitey face 😍

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Nella68 · 04/07/2025 17:50

Here’s my big fluffy boy.
Trying to sneak onto the settee when we’re not looking and sitting on the back step

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Bupster · 04/07/2025 20:11

@Nella68 oh that face. And he's enORMous!

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YorkshireFelix · 04/07/2025 21:33

I am still adamant that Midge is an actual human wearing a dog suit.

Nella68 · 04/07/2025 22:52

Bupster · 04/07/2025 20:11

@Nella68 oh that face. And he's enORMous!

I can’t believe how much he has grown. This is the day we brought him home and he was about the same size as his soft toy puppy. He’s somewhat larger than his puppy now!
He loves his puppy; he carries it around in his mouth and grooms it. I have to magic it away to be washed as it stinks.

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VanGoSunflowers · 05/07/2025 10:57

Good morning all! Loving all the dog pics, it’s a veritable array of cuteness!

Training pupper on the lead has been interesting this past week! My shoulder is very sore 😂 I need to be able to control him before he gets bigger! It’s extra tough as well with all the lovely, well meaning people you encounter that want to stroke a cute puppy and I’m needing to say no as he is lunging towards them and trying to jump up at them. Something that won’t be so cute when he is fully grown! It’s especially hard to explain to children but most adults I have encountered with other dogs at least get it. One woman in pets at home today was lovely when I explained to her daughter that she can’t stroke him until he calms down a bit. She asked him to sit for her first, and he did. It was a lovely interaction!

Got him splashing around in some shallow water yesterday which was cute - he seemed to love it but was far more interested in trying to eat cow pats.

Hope everyone has had a good few days and will get a somewhat restful weekend

Nella68 · 05/07/2025 11:44

@VanGoSunflowers I think you are right to set the rules early on. Like with Midge your pup will grow quite big and it’s one thing to have a puppy jumping up and another to have a full grown dog.

It drives me mad when people say ‘I don’t mind’ when I’m trying to stop Midge from jumping up. It’s like wrestling with an excited kangaroo. He is getting so much better and I think that’s because I try to prevent it happening. It only takes one person to encourage it and it sets him back- it’s usually for people who wave a treat around and say can he have it.

Midge can walk beautifully on lead until he sees a squirrel, a cat or a particularly interesting smell. I spent the first few months avoiding really exciting places and did a lot of pavement walks. We didn’t get very far as I turned around every time he pulled and changed direction. It was very repetitive and a little boring but it really helped.
The other thing that helped was walking up and down through the throngs of primary school children as they were let out of school. I practised a lot and now he is very good at ignoring small children. I was very proud of him when we were on holiday as he was able to walk through a load of toddlers without batting an eyelid.

It’s very much a work in progress and he still gets pully and excited in novel places.

VanGoSunflowers · 05/07/2025 12:05

@Nella68 thank you, it is reassuring to know that it’s the right thing to do. It’s to protect him as much as it is other people and dogs. He gets excited to say hello to dogs every time we go past and a woman said to me the other day that her puppy was friendly and that they could meet. I said “that’s kind thank you but I’m trying to teach him to ignore other dogs until I say it’s ok to meet them” she was very understanding! Because of course, if he goes up to a reactive dog for a sniff it could end badly. I always have a few pieces of kibble in my hand and I’m lucky that food comes above all else with him as I can direct him to ignore and then he gets the treat. It’s still early days!

The changing direction when he pulls on the lead sounds like a good idea. I have just been stopping dead when he does it.

Also need to figure out how to stop him trying to trip me up 😂

It’s one of those things you have to navigate through with a pup though I guess. You don’t always have time to read out all the ‘rules’ to people when they come and visit him, nor do you want to. For example, I’ve been trying to discourage him from biting us, and he was getting really good at it. A firm ‘no’, a treat when he then doesn’t continue and I redirect him to someone else. Then a friend came to visit and started putting their hands in his mouth and encouraging him to bite. I didn’t say anything, and I wasn’t annoyed at them because they weren’t to know, but it did set us back a bit. Maybe I’m better off just accepting that puppies bite and not sweating it too much?

CoubousAndTourmalet · 05/07/2025 13:18

Really these things take time. As with @Nella68 & Midge, it is an ongoing process for us.
I've only just got Brie to the point where she will calmly walk past small children without pulling. Because of her size I generally give her the instruction "wait" when we are pavement walking; she stands nicely for parents with prams, little kids on bikes etc to go past and she doesn't lunge. But it took a long time and a lot of frustration when she was approaching 40kg and still pulling me off my feet.

With dogs it's still ongoing; some she will completely ignore but with others she gets excited. She has a friend on our street - a Beagle cross, so dogs of similar size to that seem to always interest her - they're the ones she wants to greet. Cockers, smaller labs etc she likes but she isn't interested in tiny toy breed dogs or bigger ones like GSD, Dobes etc.

In regard to people, she is becoming more aloof around strangers now, but unfortunately she still jumps up at people she knows. No matter how much we try to discourage it, she just loves familiar people, like certain neighbours who we speak to and who know her by name. I don't allow the giving of treats by anybody. That is one of my rules. She also still mouths at hands, which I know is really, really bad but we haven't found the solution. She is very tactile.

It's still an ongoing process. She's 15 months old now and it is getting easier to handle her. When they're small and they keep tripping you up as @VanGoSunflowers mentions, I find that so hard. But the most difficult phase for me was probably when she was 5 or 6 months old, with the size of a fully grown Goldie but still the brain of a young pup. That was scary at times. I was constantly apologising to people and having to explain that she was just a baby. Now she's big I find it easier because there's more to grab hold of.

I still work on being prepared for certain situations, with a giant dog you have to be respectful of the fact that they can be overwhelming, particularly when pavement walking. I always try to have her on the side away from young kids just to allow them more space. So I walk her ambidextrously as it were. I can confidently handle her on either side of me now. After 3 years with no dog I was really out of practice, and physically weaker, but my muscle memory is finally kicking in now she's full size. It's still a battle sometimes, I admit.

It's exactly what @brushingboots said the other day. Knowing your own dog, your own breed, and learning how they will react to certain situations is something that comes with time. Don't put too much pressure on yourself while your pup is tiny; it takes time. Don't try to run before you can walk, you'll only line yourself up for setbacks. The bigger breeds (Labs, Goldies, the larger doodles like Midge and upwards to my PMD) are babies for a long time and you do need patience.

Nella68 · 05/07/2025 14:12

@CoubousAndTourmalet I was very naive before getting a dog (1st time owner). I thought training would be a quick thing. Oh how wrong I was. I’m retired so have been able to spend hours ‘training’ but his recall is still a bit hit and miss and don’t mention ‘drop’. Overall though he’s a really calm dog. I think I was expecting to be able train him to be like a guide dog.
I said I was naive 😂He’s 18months so still only a big puppy!

YorkshireFelix · 05/07/2025 14:48

It’s still an ongoing thing for us too. I got Vinny to sit nicely every time someone was approaching on the path etc, and he does still do this a lot of the time but there’s always a random person he wants to pull towards. I have no idea why! He must just like their vibe 😂 Same with dogs. Most of the time he’s not bothered but there’s the occasional one he wants to pull towards. This has also been useful as when he’s off lead and sees someone approaching he will come back to me. So I kind of taught that by accident without realising he would do it.

Lead walking isn’t the best but it’s not horrendous. I commend anyone who can get a spaniel (or any dog actually!) to walk nicely on a lead as it seems impossible to me. Our trainer said I’m not forceful enough with him and she showed me a technique where you give them a quick double tug and he was really responsive to that when she did it, but I haven’t really got the knack. I am such a weakling and struggle with him sometimes and he’s only 16kg! I honestly don’t know how you guys with large breeds do it. He KNOWS how to walk on a loose lead and the trainer said he shouldn’t be pulling me about so much…

He pulls quite a lot at the start of a walk until he’s got all his poos out then he does walk a lot better, but will still try and lunge towards things if he wants to sniff or chase a leaf etc. He also struggles if it’s busy, so if I walk him on the high street he just drags me about everywhere because people/cars/shops etc. I tend to avoid it, or going new places, but I know he’s never going to get used to it if I just try and avoid forever.

We were thinking of trying to book a few days away in the summer holidays but honestly I am reluctant because I think he will just be a nightmare!!

CoubousAndTourmalet · 05/07/2025 14:49

Takes a long time for all of us @Nella68 but bigger dogs (and I do include Midge) retain their puppy ways for far longer than the littlies. That's my excuse anyway and I'm sticking to it 😉
Honestly had not realised Midge is your first dog!

CoubousAndTourmalet · 05/07/2025 15:28

There's always good days and bad days @YorkshireFelix

With regard to lead pulling, I will admit that I wimped out and went to 100% collar as recommended by breeder and vet. I physically cannot walk her on a harness now she's big, it just affords me no control. I know people think a harness is kinder to the neck, but maybe they haven't tried walking a dog that matches them weight for weight 😬 She is mostly on the martingale since managing to back out of the fixed collar, but thankfully is never pulling to the point of gasping or panting.

Brie prefers to poo in her own garden, for which I am grateful because I don't need to cope with that frantic crazy toilet dash that you and @Bupster have to endure with your boys.

I admit that I have fucked up with Brie in regard to socialisation. We've never taken her into town because we know she'd hate it. We missed the early socialisation because of Nobivac; if I could turn the clock back I'd get her out at 10 weeks instead of waiting to 14, that has put her at a huge disadvantage, but I hold my hands up and say I messed up. Our previous two (boys) were going to town, into Pets at Home, and to the supermarket with us (one of us shopped while the other waited outside). I know it isn't easy to do that whole puppy in town thing these days though. I do feel more hesitant generally with Brie because of the anti-dog sentiment around large breeds anyway.

As to holidays, he might surprise you. Our girls were always good about being away with us or going on their own to stay with my parents. We don't bother these days, my health is an issue with travel, so my husband tends to take short breaks to go walking (he's into landscape photography). I stay at home with the pets but that works okay for us. I'm sure Vinny will cope fine whatever you decide with regard to a holiday...

VanGoSunflowers · 05/07/2025 16:02

Nella68 · 05/07/2025 14:12

@CoubousAndTourmalet I was very naive before getting a dog (1st time owner). I thought training would be a quick thing. Oh how wrong I was. I’m retired so have been able to spend hours ‘training’ but his recall is still a bit hit and miss and don’t mention ‘drop’. Overall though he’s a really calm dog. I think I was expecting to be able train him to be like a guide dog.
I said I was naive 😂He’s 18months so still only a big puppy!

Same here! Definitely was very naive. Perhaps I still am, but I think that’s ok. It’s understandable not to know exactly what to expect from something you have never done before.

@CoubousAndTourmalet, @YorkshireFelix and the rest of you really, I do appreciate you sharing your experiences and advice because it helps me to know where my expectations should be. I do feel bad for ‘derailing’ a thread that’s supposed to be for adolescence support with my puppy tales, but rather than me thinking “oh no, I have another two years of this madness” it actually makes me calmer and more patient because I know I need to settle in to it all because I’m in it for the long haul. I was the same when I had a baby that then grew in to a toddler and now can say to others going through that stage “don’t worry, you’ll get there I promise!”

When we have a more challenging day, it helps me to remember that it’s me that needs to do better, whether that’s a different approach or just being more patient or adjusting my expectations - it is not Pablo that needs to do better. If that makes any sense at all. I’m always mindful of trying not to ask too much of him when he’s still so tiny.

VanGoSunflowers · 05/07/2025 16:09

I took him to his first really crowded place today. He’s done the school run which was fairly chaotic but there was a festival thing going on in the town centre so we went there. He experienced some of it on the ground, some in my arms as I didn’t want to tire him out too much. I’m glad I did it but it was quite stressful as you can imagine 😂

We are back home now and going for a chilled afternoon/eve

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