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Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - welcome to the teenage wasteland

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Bupster · 02/07/2025 20:32

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YorkshireFelix · 14/07/2025 11:51

@SpanielsGalore you are right re chucking in the air. Vinny’s physio has loads of signs up about those ball throwers and how bad they are for dogs, as it’s the jumping in the air and twisting motion which is terrible for their joints.

SpanielsGalore · 14/07/2025 12:07

YorkshireFelix · 14/07/2025 11:51

@SpanielsGalore you are right re chucking in the air. Vinny’s physio has loads of signs up about those ball throwers and how bad they are for dogs, as it’s the jumping in the air and twisting motion which is terrible for their joints.

Judging by her mugging of a woman with a chuckitt and her looking expectantly at me when we go to the beach, my foster dog has had a lifetime of walks chasing a ball across the sand. At 9 years old, she could barely walk for 5 minutes and was in a lot of pain.

tizwozliz · 14/07/2025 14:02

We tread a delicate tightrope of ball obsession. Both mine are hugely motivated by a ball, far more so than food so I use as a reward a lot and they get some balls chucked into long grass on a lot of our walks (hence this mornings wasp incident). But we do some walks where the balls don't come with us, and generally, when I say "bye bye ball" and put them away they go off and do something else and don't keep pestering.

I've got a great video of my older one doing a hoopers course when food is the reward v the same course when she'll get a ball at the end of it. You wouldn't think it was the same dog.

Little pup's brother is in the police and they look for toy/ball motivated dogs over food motivated dogs.

CoubousAndTourmalet · 14/07/2025 18:45

I jumped on your AMA thread @LandSharksAnonymous in relation to the question about showing. I hope it's okay but if not, please feel free to request deletion of my post.

Strangely enough I'd almost mentioned those classes this morning on the puppy thread discussion about training. We found Ringcraft far more beneficial from a socialising perspective than training class. There were fewer disruptive dogs, so it was altogether a more calming environment.

CoubousAndTourmalet · 14/07/2025 18:48

Yay! Brie finally had a walk after two days at home. She has been very good about not going out. So today, a nice little walk up the lane, and earlier I had chased the ball around the garden for her 😁

Thunder rumbling around us just now. No doubt Ramsbottom is getting a hammering, as it almost always seems to.

LandSharksAnonymous · 14/07/2025 19:08

@CoubousAndTourmalet very glad you did! Honestly, it's probably the one question I can't answer - as DD1 would say, I'm a 'nepo baby' so I'm really the worst person to advise on how to get into showing as it was all handed to me on a platter!

I'm a bit jealous Brie will go two days without a walk. Mine will do a day, but by day two they're going crazy. It's not yet rumbling here, but we're due 40mph winds tomorrow and rain so I'm sure it'll arrive soon! I'm quite glad tbh, hopefully it'll clear the muggy air and - more importantly - give the pups some new stimuli. I will, of course, be straight out there in the 40mph winds and rain walking the three I can take out atm. I've missed rainy dog walks 😍

CoubousAndTourmalet · 14/07/2025 19:42

@LandSharksAnonymous Three of ours went to Ringcraft at different times. We only ever showed occasionally, we didn't travel up and down the country every single weekend like some people do. But we did Darlington, Leeds, Blackpool a few times, and a few club shows or Ag Socs. Our dogs were too much the French/working type really, aside from Finn. We managed to qualify both him & Algy for Crufts but didn't go. Algy qualified under a French judge though, so that pleased us and his breeder 😊

Oh come on, you know Brie - she's a lazy arse! She does love her walks, and she gets very excited when we start putting our boots on. She generally dances around the garden and squeezes out a poo before we put the lead on her 😆But she waits to be asked and if we don't offer she's not climbing the walls.

PMD are always pretty happy to just loaf around at home. I think it's just in their breeding. There are times when they do the transhumance and cover many miles a day. but also times when the livestock hardly moves at all for days or weeks and there's sod all for the dogs to do, aside from patrol boundaries and loaf around. So they're not fussed if their walk is 2 hours or 5 minutes. As I've said before, in some ways they're the easiest dogs in the world to live with because they're so calm and easy going, but in other ways they can be hard work.

Once the weather cools significantly we'll definitely be making up for the days of loafing around. Like you, I honestly cannot wait for some decent walks!

VanGoSunflowers · 14/07/2025 19:59

Just popping up with a photograph of pupper when I first got him (first pic is the first day home!) and today 😊

He’s been with me six weeks on Wednesday!

Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - welcome to the teenage wasteland
Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - welcome to the teenage wasteland
CoubousAndTourmalet · 14/07/2025 20:04

Adorably cute baby @VanGoSunflowers but he's growing up fast! The growth rate of large breeds really is phenomenal.

VanGoSunflowers · 14/07/2025 20:16

Thank you @CoubousAndTourmalet - I can’t believe how fast he has grown already!

YorkshireFelix · 14/07/2025 20:35

VanGoSunflowers · 14/07/2025 19:59

Just popping up with a photograph of pupper when I first got him (first pic is the first day home!) and today 😊

He’s been with me six weeks on Wednesday!

He is so lovely!

YorkshireFelix · 14/07/2025 20:35

We had 5 minutes of rain here after a few hours of dark cloud. The sun was still out so I took this photo from dd’s bedroom window!

Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - welcome to the teenage wasteland
Beansandcheesearegood · 14/07/2025 23:04

Hi I'm new, i hope it's OK to join you. We have an 18 month old Springer. I have been reading here a while but not posted yet. Resource guarding- any help? Sometimes it's plainly for attention and ignoring works but other times I've no idea why abd he almost gets himself in a situation and can't drop 'it'. He can growl etc but sometimes with me only he will give me his paw- this is his way of asking for strokes/attention.

CoubousAndTourmalet · 14/07/2025 23:32

Hi and welcome @Beansandcheesearegood
Sorry I'm not able to advise about resource guarding - I know it's a complex issue. Hopefully someone here will be more clued up than I am.
But I just wanted to say hello anyway.

LandSharksAnonymous · 15/07/2025 07:38

Welcome @Beansandcheesearegood! Unfortunately, resource guarding is the one area where I think a proper expert is required! Whilst we could all offer ideas and solutions, it’s very dog specific in how it manifests and how it can be tackled (IME). There’s also more of a risk that people end up giving advice that makes it worse and you could end up making it worse yourself without proper guidance. I’d talk to your vet to see if they can recommend anyone

@CoubousAndTourmalet well if you ever fancy swapping the loaf for the energetic losers I have, let me know! I imagine four Goldies is equal to one PMD in terms of shedding…

YorkshireFelix · 15/07/2025 09:05

Welcome @Beansandcheesearegood I love springers! I agree that I’d be going down the route of a professional as I don’t think I could work through that on my own. I think it would be very easy to accidentally make things worse. Sorry you’re dealing with it though, I know spaniels in particular can be prone to resource guarding.

I think my insurance covers a behaviours for various issues so might be looking into if you have similar.

brushingboots · 15/07/2025 09:24

Hello @Beansandcheesearegood – nice to have another spaniel here to continue our quest for world domination.

Sorry to hear you're having this problem. Like the others, I'd be looking for professional advice as it can be so tricky, and it's so much about the individual dog. Poor boy and poor you – it sounds stressful for both of you. Do hang around here though and let us know how you get on – there is lots of spaniel chat!

Edited to add: are you a member of DTAS on Facebook? I imagine they have a good section on resource guarding as a starter and might well have some more specialised useful advice if you post there ahead of seeing someone in person.

SpanielsGalore · 15/07/2025 10:04

@Beansandcheesearegood Welcome. Nice to have another springer here, although mine is 10 years old so way past adolescence.
I had a cocker spaniel, who sometimes resource guarded - mainly new cuddly toys and carrier bags placed where they shouldn't be. It would really stress him out. We always exchanged items for high value treats. I would advise against just taking the objects off your dog. If he is growling at you, then forcibly removing things could result in him escalating to snapping or biting. Good luck. I hope you are able to find something or someone to help.

SpanielsGalore · 15/07/2025 10:23

@tizwozliz I'm not against ball play altogether. I used to throw a ball for my sprocker when I first got him. But it soon became clear it wasn't good for him. He'd be totally manic and have stress poos. And if he knew there was a ball around, he couldn't focus on anything else. Came in handy when I wanted to get him out of water though - wave a ball at him and he'd come straight away, whereas as food bribes were ignored.
It's more the owners who think lobbing a ball for an hour is a good way to exercise a dog. My foster dog has crippling arthritis and worn down teeth, caused by years of chasing tennis balls. And I know a couple of people whose dogs constantly bark at them to throw a ball. It doesn't make for a relaxing walk for anyone.
Suppose it's like most things in life - ok if used sensibly and in moderation. 🤷‍♀️

Beansandcheesearegood · 15/07/2025 12:00

Hi all, thanks for the advice. I never snatch the item back. He doesn't really growl alot with me but does with husband as he has grabbed items back before.

The thing is it's not usually his items- often steals a sock etc then guards it....
I think I will look at a behaviour specialist.
Thanks for the warm welcome

Bupster · 15/07/2025 12:49

Beansandcheesearegood · 15/07/2025 12:00

Hi all, thanks for the advice. I never snatch the item back. He doesn't really growl alot with me but does with husband as he has grabbed items back before.

The thing is it's not usually his items- often steals a sock etc then guards it....
I think I will look at a behaviour specialist.
Thanks for the warm welcome

Hi @Beansandcheesearegood - what does he guard?

You're dead right that he's probably growling at your husband because he has form for snatching. Spaniels (and retrievers too) can very easily become resource guarders as they're bred to hold things in their mouths and that's often all they really want to do. He hasn't got any idea what's his and what's stealing - dogs don't think in that way.

Before I got Bill, my best friend's dog had a resource guarding issue, because the kids would leave things around, and the dog (an Aussie Labradoodle) would pick them up, and the kids would snatch them off her. And of course the more they did that, the more value they placed on all their discarded stuff that the dog then wanted to steal.

That's why it was on my radar, and when Bill was a puppy I taught him a swap, and I almost never take anything forcibly from him. If he steals anything that isn't actively dangerous or genuinely delicate or precious, I let him, and after a while I'll go and swap for a treato. There's a lot of trust between us now, and while there are occasional treasures he won't swap, this is pretty rare, and he's never growled; I can get the car keys, the bread knife, my shoes, and the remote controls off him for a very small fee. If I don't come after him, he tends to bring them back and look at me as if he's asking where his treato is.

That's why I'm asking what he's stealing and guarding - for the most part, your absolute best bet is to just let him. Resource guarding tends to start because the dog is afraid that things that are precious to him will be taken away. If you have precious and dangerous things, put them high up, and otherwise, just let him take stuff. Everyone in the house will have to be on board though, you can't have one person grabbing stuff out of his mouth.

You could then teach a swap for things that aren't so precious (e.g. give him the cardboard recycling and swap for treatos). It's also handy to have things that are valuable to the dog but not to you - Bill used to love a clothes peg above everything else, and now will do almost anything for a plastic bottle.

As others have said, and especially if you've got kids, it's a good idea to get a behaviourist, as resource guarding can get dangerous. But they're almost certainly going to start by telling you not to take stuff off the dog forcibly, to always reward him when he gives things up, and that if you want things left alone, you have to put them well out of the way.

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brushingboots · 15/07/2025 13:03

I agree with @Bupster. I am in no way an expert on this because my girl doesn't guard, and this is, as ever, only my experience with my own dog, but my feeling about dogs 'taking' things is: does it matter? My cocker takes my socks/slippers/crocs very single day, especially when I'm trying to put them on, but it doesn't matter so I just leave her to it and she puts them down again. @Bupster is way more generous than me – I don't even tip for safe return of goods. Yesterday she picked up a dried blob of cow pat and ran around the field we were in with it and I just ignored her, knowing that if I did she'd get bored. And she did.

This, I know, is very different to actual guarding. That's just a spaniel being silly but it's easy to see how it can get out of hand.

CoubousAndTourmalet · 15/07/2025 13:48

I'm not convinced that it's that simple once the behaviour is established. Sure, exchanging for a treat is the obvious way to go when they're tiny, and that's how you teach them to trust you. You barter. I've done it with all mine. But then if you get a blip where something is snatched away before the trust is 100% established, it can result in them becoming possessive. And the more ingrained the behaviour becomes, the harder it will be to fix the problem.

It's reasonable to assume that you have to start again from scratch, like we did at day 1 and make it a rule that you only take by offering something in return. But I don't honestly know how long it would take to remedy this once a pattern of behaviour is established. It's why I felt loath to advise yesterday - I have no experience of this.

When Brie was tiny I got into an argument with a person I'm close to, because their daughter snatched a toy away from puppy Brie without offering a treat. It's fair to say I went ballistic, because the trust that I'd been building for the first 6 weeks could have been broken by that one incident. Fortunately Brie continued to trust me, and I can now open her mouth and remove items when I need to. I still work on rewards though, because even after 9 pups I know that trust is a fragile and precious thing, so I never take it for granted.

Beansandcheesearegood · 15/07/2025 14:05

Thanks, we do 'trade' that generally works. If it's a piece of paper or sock etc ignoring works but tv remote or phone being crunched does make us step in. Its not all the time and we are careful to remind kids to put things high up but it still does happen. I've contacted a trainer locally so I'm hopeful!
He never guards his items, usually randam items!

CoubousAndTourmalet · 15/07/2025 14:15

Hopefully with the right trainer you can nip it in the bud @Beansandcheesearegood They might have different treats that will be more of a novelty, or even advise some other distraction tactics. They can probably also explain why he's only possessive over random pilfered items, not his own things.

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