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Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - Bark the Herald, furry angels sing!

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YorkshireFelix · 26/11/2024 23:01

New thread to get us through the festive season! Angelic and naughty teenage pups all welcome Halo

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CoubousAndTourmalet · 15/01/2025 12:38

That looks a really good food @Nella68 I keep looking at these superfoods options, they all seem excellent. It's good that the salmon is suiting Midge better. Our dogs have never done well on chicken either but Brie seems to be the exception currently.

Thanks @tizwozliz I think we put our previous pups onto adult kibble at about a year, but 18 months - 2 years seems to be the recommendation now. Brie is still growing so we'll probably wait another 6 months before making the switch onto adult.

tizwozliz · 15/01/2025 12:42

I think for bigger dogs you generally switch later.

CoubousAndTourmalet · 15/01/2025 12:43

That looks really good.@tizwozliz . I presume the bowl is designed to slow them down?
Brie has the Wainwright puppy trays twice a week but I don't think I'll buy another batch after the current box is used up. It's why I'm looking for alternatives.

tizwozliz · 15/01/2025 12:47

The forthglade 90% is suitable from 2 months so it was as much for my convenience with two dogs that I could supplement their kibble with the same wet food.

Yes, the bowls are to slow them down a bit. Ignore any claims that a meal will last 20 minutes with them!! They slowed from sub 30 seconds to about 3 minutes for us. Older one doesn't really need it, but younger one practically inhaled food.

brushingboots · 15/01/2025 14:42

I have just had some really exciting non-dog news that I will share with you all next week when I’m allowed but here’s pupsy and her furry legs who says hello to all x

Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - Bark the Herald, furry angels sing!
tizwozliz · 15/01/2025 15:39

The lack of proper exercise is really catching up with pup today. Not helpful as I'm super busy with work at the moment.

YorkshireFelix · 15/01/2025 16:16

brushingboots · 15/01/2025 14:42

I have just had some really exciting non-dog news that I will share with you all next week when I’m allowed but here’s pupsy and her furry legs who says hello to all x

Ahh glad to hear you have exciting news!!

She is such a pretty pup 😍

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YorkshireFelix · 15/01/2025 16:16

Does anyone have any tips on how to deal with barking in the house?

Vinny has been barking at every noise he hears over the past few weeks. And the past couple of days, every time someone goes upstairs (even if someone else is downstairs with him) he will just bark relentlessly. I was trying to get ready for work this morning and he was just barking and barking.

He didn't used to make a sound when he was smaller! We live in a mid-terrace and I am so worried about the neighbours being annoyed!!

Is there anything I can do? At the minute I reassure rather than say no or use his negative marker word as I assume it's because he's worried/unsure. Not sure if this is the right thing to do. But it still doesn't stop him anyway. Last night I gave him the remote control to hold in his mouth just to shut him up...

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Bupster · 15/01/2025 16:33

@YorkshireFelix that's actually a good idea!

Bill can get like that too, and he never really barked as a puppy. A month or so ago he went through a thankfully very short period of barking at EVERYTHING including the neighbours going up and down their stairs. Now he's only really set off by people coming to the door, and if he's watching out of the window he can get a bit barky, particularly when he sees someone he knows - which makes it tricky to work out what's going on in his head, and how to try to get him to stop. In the mornings I sit with him and give him a treato when he sees a person or sees a dog, and I think that's gradually helped - at least, he's a bit more able to sit and watch out the window without me sat next to him shovelling in treatos.

If I can shove a stuffed monkey into his gob before he's bonkers it works, so the remote control was actually genius! but he is usually pretty focused on whatever he's barking at. The alternative is putting up film or something, but I don't want to take looking out the window away from him when it brings him such pleasure, and it does nothing for being set off by random noises.

What do you think is going on in Vinnie's head? Is he wanting you all to be in one place? Can you go in and out of rooms downstairs?

(unforeseen consequences of yapping along to Bill, 'did you see a dog? did you see a bird?' are that he now knows the word CAT and the mere mention of it sends him to DEFCON ONE)

CaptainBeanThief · 15/01/2025 16:37

Best thing to do is just give reassurance with the barking but I hate to sound like I'm blaming everything on adolescence but I'm way further along than you guys but it really is, everything you guys are experiencing now I have,
It's sounding like a mix of anxiety and attention seeking, give reassurance in the first instance then just ignore, with you scrambling around and going back to him when he's barking he knows he's getting his own way.
Im sure I'll be told I'm wrong by a certain someone soon but this is my experience.

Nella68 · 15/01/2025 16:40

@YorkshireFelix I would like tips too!

I would think it would depend on the cause. We’ve had a carpenter up on our extension roof all day banging around and Midge was initially too scared even to take a treat. As the morning went on he was gradually able to take a treat, so every time his ears pricked or he looked towards the noise I would give him a treat. He eventually settled and was able to have a nap. The roofer is in on Friday so I imagine he’ll be terrified again.

He’ll bark when the neighbours are in the garden/ the dogs in the park bark/ he can hear cats fighting. That’s annoying but he’ll usually settle after a few woofs.

I can just imagine the remote in the mouth- what a treat!

brushingboots · 15/01/2025 16:50

@YorkshireFelix Pupsy never used to bark either and I reckon she was probably about V’s age when she started, so I wonder if it’s partly hormones.

She doesn’t bark at the door or when people go away from her (as she invariably comes with anyway) but she does bark a bit during meals, though she’s getting much better. My response depends on why she's barking. When she barks during human mealtimes it's most likely because she's attention-seeking, as if I’m eating she’s got/has had her own meal. In that situation I stonewall her and don’t give her any attention whatsoever, and it tends to shut her up after about four woofs when she realises it isn’t working. Conversely, if she barks at the dark garden when she has her last wee it’s probably because she’s suspicious of something so I give her a fuss when she comes in.

I think in your position I’d ignore any kind of bratty barking, like when you were upstairs and he was downstairs. Just literally no response as even a firm ‘no’ or ‘quiet’ gives them attention and it’s attention they want, whatever form it takes, but I appreciate that you don't want to disturb your neighbours which is an added element. He shouldn’t have any reason to be worried about you going upstairs, especially if someone else is downstairs, so to me that’s just him being annoying and it doesn’t deserve any attention.

But each situation is different. I wonder if the barking last night that required a remote control to settle meant that he was overtired? He’s bigger, but he’s still a baby and I think sometimes they still need helping to sleep – or confirmation that it’s time to settle down now – and bark to let us know. That’s my theory based on what pupsy does as occasionally in the evenings she will woof at me when I’m on the sofa when I know for sure that she needs absolutely nothing from me except to sleep on my knee.

You have my sympathies as I know how annoying it is but like with most dog things I just don't pander to it as then they learn that barking gets a response.

brushingboots · 15/01/2025 16:53

@CaptainBeanThief Totally agree – they shouldn't ever learn that barking wins them anything except disdain from us

CoubousAndTourmalet · 15/01/2025 16:53

Is he doing guardy barking or barking for attention or anxious barking @YorkshireFelix ?

It sounds as if you're probably getting it right - my rule would be if it's just for attention a sharp "no!" or "quiet!" but if it's barking at something I'd just reassure with "it's okay", "nothing to worry about" etc. if it's fear barking then pet him and distract.

As @CaptainBeanThief says it's probably just part of growing up for a spaniel.

With a guarding breed they generally shut up once they know you're aware of what's bothering them. We've had a couple of barkers in Rose & Algy, they would both let rip at a pin drop or a butterfly fluttering past and it used to drive me mad at times but there was always a reason for it. By contrast, Brie has only ever barked a handful of times which is very unusual for a breed so notorious for barking...

brushingboots · 15/01/2025 16:57

@Nella68 l Bless Midge – I think having tradesmen in is fair enough to provoke a little woof or five. Pupsy was very startled by the fact that hoovering was happening in a room that I was not in the first couple of times our cleaner came, but she’s got used to it now. V different to demand barking (I think they call it) which in my book doesn’t deserve any attention at all.

How are your bruises after your slip and fall the other day?

CaptainBeanThief · 15/01/2025 16:57

As @brushingboots are a little further a long it's easier for us to differentiate the difference between barks.
For instance I KNOW when Milo is trying it on and I KNOW when he needs reassurance I also know when he's startled and feels there is an intruder as it's a complete different bark.
You will get there with working out but spaniels do know how to play you 😏

CoubousAndTourmalet · 15/01/2025 16:58

Sorry, I cross-posted with @brushingboots who knows her spaniels.

My comments probably not that relevant as usual.

CaptainBeanThief · 15/01/2025 17:00

@CoubousAndTourmalet
Your comments are always useful and relevant,
I didn't see it at first.
All of our input is relevant - our advice is interchangeable regardless of breeds, also support is invaluable.
All of your support has been the best for me on here.
Xx

CaptainBeanThief · 15/01/2025 17:02

@CoubousAndTourmalet
We are all having a discussion about barking and I think it's useful to get opinions across all breeds not just spaniels,
How is brie today? X

brushingboots · 15/01/2025 17:04

@CaptainBeanThief 10000pc agree! There are lots of different types of bark and you do get to know which one is which. Pupsy also ‘sings’ at me like a beagle which is…. charming.

@CoubousAndTourmalet No no you’re absolutely right and your comments are always relevant!! I issue a sharp ‘quiet’ to whining specifically as she generally only does that when we’re sitting waiting somewhere out and about, but I am quite a cold dog-mother, as previously discussed, and can’t be doing with bratty nonsense from her when I know she knows better. Totally different if it’s fear barking.

tizwozliz · 15/01/2025 17:07

unforeseen consequences of yapping along to Bill, 'did you see a dog? did you see a bird?' are that he now knows the word CAT and the mere mention of it sends him to DEFCON ONE

Mine have learned the word ratty in a similar manner!

Nella68 · 15/01/2025 17:34

@Bupster ha to yapping along to Bill. I do the same, just like I did when my twins were in their pushchair. I remember getting odd looks from people as I was going along pointing out the dogs/ cats/ cars etc. I had completely forgotten that I had dropped the kids at nursery and was pushing a pushchair full of shopping!

re the cat word issue. My aunt and uncle had a boxer that would go absolutely crazy if anyone mentioned the word ‘pussy cat’. My uncle found it amusing initially (he taught it) but it soon drove him and my aunt to distraction. Midge knows the words ‘tea-time’ and ‘lunch-time’ and gets a bit excited, so we have to spell them out (tricky with tea-time, that one has to be done phonetically 😀)

CoubousAndTourmalet · 15/01/2025 17:35

brushingboots · 15/01/2025 17:04

@CaptainBeanThief 10000pc agree! There are lots of different types of bark and you do get to know which one is which. Pupsy also ‘sings’ at me like a beagle which is…. charming.

@CoubousAndTourmalet No no you’re absolutely right and your comments are always relevant!! I issue a sharp ‘quiet’ to whining specifically as she generally only does that when we’re sitting waiting somewhere out and about, but I am quite a cold dog-mother, as previously discussed, and can’t be doing with bratty nonsense from her when I know she knows better. Totally different if it’s fear barking.

I'm probably a pretty cold dog mother too. I know I say I don't "train" but I also won't stand for antisocial behaviour. I teach them what is acceptable very early on. I've taken a beating on MN a few times regarding my ideas about resource guarding (handling dog and bowl and food) but never had an issue with it and could feed three together. Right now I feed Brie her main meal before I start cooking our dinner, she stays in the kitchen (I used to shut the baby gate while I was cooking but now she'll just lie quietly) and when we eat she comes to lie under the table. She never ever bugs us for food; I don't give a lot of treats but she'll get a piece of cheese or a carrot to chew while I'm prepping stuff. Her table manners are impeccable.

So I'm probably stricter than you'd expect. I don't believe in pack order but you can't let a 50 or 60kg dog walk all over you because it's dangerous so you need to set rules early on. Right now, I have to say she is amazingly well-behaved at home. Still not always easy to walk but we'll get there.

CoubousAndTourmalet · 15/01/2025 17:37

CaptainBeanThief · 15/01/2025 17:02

@CoubousAndTourmalet
We are all having a discussion about barking and I think it's useful to get opinions across all breeds not just spaniels,
How is brie today? X

Well I'm probably tempting fate by saying it, but we've had two days in succession with no lead biting 😱That's a shocker!

How are you and Milo today?

Nella68 · 15/01/2025 17:42

@brushingboots the wrist is feeling much better thank you. Looking forward to hearing your news!

I’ve got a 1-1 training session on Monday and I’ve asked for help with recall. I’ll let you know how it goes.

Midge met a couple of puppies today 5 and 6 months. I was a bit concerned that he would be too big and bouncy for them but I’ve noticed in the last few weeks he has been able to adjust his play style so he was a bit more considerate. He then met up with another friend, another un-neutered male and the gloves were off and it was full on boxing and wrestling.