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Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - Bark the Herald, furry angels sing!

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YorkshireFelix · 26/11/2024 23:01

New thread to get us through the festive season! Angelic and naughty teenage pups all welcome Halo

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PyreneanAubrie · 27/11/2024 09:20

I love your observations @LemonPalmTrees , they're always very valid.
I think one of the reasons you fit so well into this little group is that you have a really good understanding of your own dog and a high level of commitment to getting the best out of him; though we've got a few different breeds here, we all have that in common. Out in the world, it's not always the case. We had this conversation with the dog trainer, he sees so many people that just have the wrong dog, because they didn't do their research and don't understand the breed traits, and I think he had half expected that with Brie until he met us.

My expectations of training have to be realistic. Whilst Brie is clever, I know her brain works in a different way from, say, a gundog breed brain. We all have different requirements, we can all see that @brushingboots has a much higher expectation of pupsy because she wants her to be an actual working gundog. She needs to have that commitment and focus on daily training, but with a guarding breed I can be more relaxed because I know she won't ever be trained to work with a handler in that way.
Even within guarding breeds there is another distinction. Dogs such as Rottweilers and German/Belgian Shepherds are commonly referred to as "guarding" breeds but technically they're not; they're herders and drovers. That means they have a prey drive and they will also work to command, which is why we see them as service dogs or doing bitework. They will guard, but in a different way. The Livestock Guarding breeds, however, are natural guard dogs (with low prey drive), which makes them harder to train because they don't work alongside human handlers. If you watch YouTube videos of them in a working environment you see this. That is why my expectations have to be realistic and I'm pretty laid back about training. LGD are always free spirits; you can never really be their "master".

So while I say that the females are more independent minded than the males, both sexes are equally aloof and protective, they both work, but girls are just a lot more active and curious. They seem to use their senses slightly differently; my boys were always more focused on listening for unusual noises, the girls seem to focus on looking at what's around them. Yesterday, on the dog field, she prowled the perimeter then watched people passing on the lane. It could be argued that most dogs would do that, but her wariness of the trainer coming into our house took me by surprise; she never barks, but she watched his every move without being aggressive at all. You can't teach them to do that, it's just there. If you came in our house now, you wouldn't immediately think "guard dog", she would welcome you politely, with her tail wagging, but initially she'd watch you like a hawk. If I left the room you'd be perfectly safe with her though... It's hard to define and we were probably on our third dog before we could fully read the body language and predict how they would react.

Ironically, I'm not good around other dogs, I can't read their body language because it's so different from LGD brain/behaviour.

So, I will do a bit of training with Brie, for fun, but honestly, I want to let her be who she is. She might never be glued to my side like two of the boys were, but that's okay. She's an independent spirit, but seems very content with her life and I cannot ask for more than that.

brushingboots · 27/11/2024 09:31

@PyreneanAubrie Pupsy isn't going to work full time – she might only work gently, and it's still a might. She is a pet – we only shoot a bit, but I do get invited to shoot in very smart places so I want the option of taking her and her not showing me up in front of the country's best game shots. I do it for her enrichment, so that her life is as full as it would be in a working home in a pet home – and because I'm a mad woman projecting my limitless professional ambition onto my dog.

PyreneanAubrie · 27/11/2024 10:01

Sorry @brushingboots I was talking about your training in a positive way, I hope it didn't come across wrong...🤔sometimes my wording is a bit off... I've put my foot in it a million times without realising 😞I would edit my post if I could...

I absolutely do know your pupsy is a very much loved house pet, not a kennelled worker, she is, in fact, a lot more cuddly than Brie is.

Maybe you don't want to be a training guru here, so I promise I'll stop saying stuff. I just find your training talk with YorkshireFelix fascinating because I knew nothing of gundog breeds before coming here.

So I'm really sorry if you felt like I was being critical of your commitment to training your gorgeous girl😳I'm honestly trying to learn from you; I never did off-lead heel before yesterday, in 47 years of living with dogs but it was quite fun to try and she did okay.

Sorry for being a clumsy idiot 😬

brushingboots · 27/11/2024 10:16

@PyreneanAubrie Noooo I didn't take it that way at all! Just didn't want anyone to think I was getting ideas above my station or that I was turning into Spaniel Man! I love talking about training here and I strongly believe in doing gundog work with pets that will never even see a gun or a game bird so more of that the better in my book.

I definitely didn't think you were being critical – if anything, giving me too much credit!

PyreneanAubrie · 27/11/2024 10:32

brushingboots · 27/11/2024 10:16

@PyreneanAubrie Noooo I didn't take it that way at all! Just didn't want anyone to think I was getting ideas above my station or that I was turning into Spaniel Man! I love talking about training here and I strongly believe in doing gundog work with pets that will never even see a gun or a game bird so more of that the better in my book.

I definitely didn't think you were being critical – if anything, giving me too much credit!

As long as we're still friends 😊

I do think you'd get more out of Brie than I do; she would give you her very bestest good girl behaviour, whereas I get the full-on "let's play" !!! It was sickening how beautifully she walked for the trainer and I'm sure he wondered what on earth my problem was 🙄

tizwozliz · 27/11/2024 10:38

I can see how that would be irritating @PyreneanAubrie

My older one was always very good at pretending she'd never had a day's training in her life, so didn't show me up in that respect. 😂

BlueberryPup · 27/11/2024 10:58

Blueberry turned 6 months old* last Friday, which I think qualifies me to post here (I have only posted once before, when I was a couple weeks away from getting her. Haven't had the chance to post since, life's suddenly so busy with her!).
There are, I think, two areas that I really must tackle ASAP:

  • get Blueberry to ignore the cat (and get the cat to not slap Blueberry willy nilly). She's getting very good at this until the cat makes a sound, which gets Blueberry super excited to play and the cat scared enough she goes into attack mode.
  • get Blueberry used to my coming and going. If she sees me walk away/close the door it is always such a drama, and I just don't understand it, because if I sneak out she's very happy to nap until I come home.

Blueberry is also on a "diet", because due to a misunderstanding she was getting two breakfasts every day, and I effed up her caloric needs calculation so was giving her an extra 30g a day of food. She doesn't really miss her second breakfast, but is very sulky about the missing 30g. No way around it - she was starting to get chubby and that's the last thing I want for her.

PyreneanAubrie · 27/11/2024 11:37

Hello @BlueberryPup
It's good to have you here.

We all seem to have the same struggles with our pups and I'm afraid the cat issue is ongoing with us too. We think we've cracked it, then pup goes into stupid play mode and cat starts up the growling and face smacking again. It's just about maximising exposure until they get bored with each other I suppose. I've found girl dogs worse for being "cat botherers" though - my boy dogs never tried to chase the cats.

With the leaving; same here, if she saw me go she would kick off so I spent weeks "flitting", then sneaking about, not drawing attention. Didn't make a fuss before going out or after getting back. Now, at 8 months, she doesn't seem to care - she's very independent minded. Our previous pup would howl every time we left him, even into adulthood. They're all different and it sounds like the sneaky exit might continue to be the best tactic for you.

Good luck with Blueberry's diet plan, I'm sure you'll get there even if she's not very pleased about it.
It's difficult finding a balance with their weight sometimes. I felt Brie was carrying too much puppy fat so I haven't increased her food since 6 months, and our vet okayed longer walks so she is looking a bit better now, still a tad chunky, but hopefully she'll slim off in the coming weeks as we get longer walks.

PyreneanAubrie · 27/11/2024 11:55

tizwozliz · 27/11/2024 10:38

I can see how that would be irritating @PyreneanAubrie

My older one was always very good at pretending she'd never had a day's training in her life, so didn't show me up in that respect. 😂

Ah well, at least yours is her authentic self, not a two-faced little madam like mine. She's a beast! I love her independent spirit, but yes, I like the soppy pathetic males best I'm afraid.

Can I just say that your photos are always stunning. You have very photogenic dogs but I suspect you're also a skilled photographer - they are just beautiful pictures, always.

tizwozliz · 27/11/2024 11:59

The secret with black dogs is to get something like snapseed and put a HDR filter on so they actually have features and aren't just black blobs! And of course take about 10 million photos and only pick the best ones!

The jumping one in the snow on the last thread was taken by the OH with his big fancy camera, I just use my phone which is fine for posed shots but can't really do the action shots.

YorkshireFelix · 27/11/2024 12:02

I was going to say the same re your photos @tizwozliz, they are always gorgeous! I didn't really consider how hard it was going to be to photograph and black dog before we got him 😄 I always wanted a non-black cocker but the universe gave us Vinny. Maybe if I ever get over the shock of the puppy era I'll have a brown one!

@BlueberryPup welcome. Our pups are around the same age which is nice. What breed are they?

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brushingboots · 27/11/2024 13:19

@PyreneanAubrie Of course!! It didn’t occur to me that you were being critical and if anyone thinks that I could produce a dog good enough to work on a smart shoot that's a huge compliment. I’m not sure I’d have any idea how to work with Brie, though I’d love to meet her. You are the LGD guru, for sure.

Adding mine to the tributes to your photographs, @tizwozliz, they’re always beautiful. I find photographing pupsy a real struggle – even in the snow it was hard work, and you’d think she’d stand out better. Plus she won’t pose. My best photos of her are of her asleep which I think is no coincidence.

I was determined to have a black cocker and our next dog (lol) will be either be a black/black and tan cocker, or a black and white springer, so I’ve got no prospect of it getting any easier.

brushingboots · 27/11/2024 13:23

@BlueberryPup What a gorgeous name! Do I remember rightly that she is a kind of shepherding breed? That is my sketchy memory talking.

PyreneanAubrie · 27/11/2024 15:44

Happy Lancashire Day from the girl in Lancs. With apologies to our Yorkshire Roses if this is non PC 😉

Whoops, misaligned photo. Sorry. Can't change it 🙄

Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - Bark the Herald, furry angels sing!
YorkshireFelix · 27/11/2024 15:51

PyreneanAubrie · 27/11/2024 15:44

Happy Lancashire Day from the girl in Lancs. With apologies to our Yorkshire Roses if this is non PC 😉

Whoops, misaligned photo. Sorry. Can't change it 🙄

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She is just sooooooooooooo beautiful!!!!

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BlueberryPup · 27/11/2024 18:34

brushingboots · 27/11/2024 13:23

@BlueberryPup What a gorgeous name! Do I remember rightly that she is a kind of shepherding breed? That is my sketchy memory talking.

Yes, she's a Miniature American Shepherd. The Kennel Club is dragging their feet on recognizing the breed (claim it's because until now the stud book was open) but every other genuine registry in the world accepts them. We'll attend our first FCI show in two weeks.
Being a herding breed, she's fantastic at picking up subtle details like when we're not paying attention so she can get up to no good. Too clever for the humans, clearly.

YorkshireFelix · 27/11/2024 18:45

Someone is a big fan of the log burner. Slumming it on his blanket because he chewed a big hole in his bed...

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PyreneanAubrie · 27/11/2024 19:06

BlueberryPup · 27/11/2024 18:34

Yes, she's a Miniature American Shepherd. The Kennel Club is dragging their feet on recognizing the breed (claim it's because until now the stud book was open) but every other genuine registry in the world accepts them. We'll attend our first FCI show in two weeks.
Being a herding breed, she's fantastic at picking up subtle details like when we're not paying attention so she can get up to no good. Too clever for the humans, clearly.

I wasn't familiar with this breed and I really should be, because my own breed is a pastoral group dog. I've just done a search and it looks beautiful. I presume she's a blue merle...? I hope you can get the breed recognised in the UK.

Where in Europe are you showing? We haven't shown outside the UK although most of our dogs have had European bloodlines. My husband is thinking about going to the World Show in Helsinki again next year, as he's been to two shows in Finland before and enjoyed it.

Nella68 · 27/11/2024 19:06

Long time lurker here popping on to say ‘hello!’

I have a 10 month old Labrador/ golden retriever/ poodle mix called Midge.

I have enjoyed reading about your pups; it makes me feel less alone. I’m a first time dog owner so I’m often feeling out of my depth.

Here’s a pic of my boy

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YorkshireFelix · 27/11/2024 19:07

Welcome @Nella68 😃 Midge is very cute. He has a cheeky face!

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PyreneanAubrie · 27/11/2024 19:08

YorkshireFelix · 27/11/2024 18:45

Someone is a big fan of the log burner. Slumming it on his blanket because he chewed a big hole in his bed...

We don't do puppy beds for that very reason! He does look pretty comfy there though ❤

PyreneanAubrie · 27/11/2024 19:10

Hi @Nella68 and Midge. What a gorgeous boy 💖

LemonPalmTrees · 27/11/2024 19:35

Welcome @Nella68 and Midge. I love a pup with such an intelligent almost human look in their eyes, which Midge looks like he has? What a fantastic combination of breeds. Is he smaller than lab and golden retriever (so mixed with toy or miniature poodle?) What is he like?
@yorkshirefelix rarely have I ever seen such a contented cosy looking pup. Just adoreable. Lemondog chewed through 5 new beds in 4 months including his birthday bed in 1 day. So he's slumming it on 2 crate mats, one on top of the other. Nothing like as cosy looking as Vinny's set up <3
I can't wait to get Lemondog the biggest, comfiest, most beautiful bed I can afford, once I'm semi sure it'll last more than a day!
@pyreneanaubrie thanks for your kind comment. Brie is beautiful girl. OMG I made mistake of googling PMD puppies on kennel club website. Heart achingly cute. Your nickname of baby bear so apt. Theyre huge and hugely adoreable. If you persuade your chap to add male PMD to your family, is breeding something that interests you? There can't be many people who know and love your breed more than you do, or who have so much experience of your breed. I was interested to read your comments earlier on guarding breeds verses LG breeds. I had wondered how breeds like German Shepherd police dogs could be so different from LG breeds, and that makes sense.

PyreneanAubrie · 27/11/2024 20:02

@LemonPalmTrees
PMD puppies are completely irresistible, yes.
We thought about breeding when we got Rosie in 1999; we already had a 4 year old male, their bloodlines were compatible, and their breeders okayed a mating. However, when we really thought about it, we knew that I would be too fussy about prospective homes. The breed has large litters, average 8, 9, 10 pups. I'd end up wanting to keep them all.... So no. As tempting as it is, I can't see us breeding a litter because it's just too difficult to find suitable homes.
When we got Brie, her breeder said we could have a litter, there are no restrictions on her papers, so in theory we could breed her and keep a male puppy rather than getting her a boyfriend... But I still don't think we will.

LemonPalmTrees · 27/11/2024 20:13

Totally understand that @pyreneanaubrie and I respect you even more for it, given your reasons. You're obviously a real true advocate for the breed as well as the individual dogs. (Not that I'd think any less of you or anyone who's as knowledgeable as you who who did breed for pups). I think Brie is very lucky indeed x