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Puppy Survival Thread for New and Old Pups - here comes winter 2024

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Bupster · 05/10/2024 19:14

I thought I might as well be the one to start the new thread! Nothing to report but a sleepy puppy over here.

Puppy Survival Thread for New and Old Pups - here comes winter 2024
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PyreneanAubrie · 09/10/2024 07:46

Morning All,

Hope everyone had a restful night.

What a beautiful morning it is... 🙄😬😩

Pup reluctant to budge out this morning, can't say I blame her really.

Bupster · 09/10/2024 12:00

@DowntonNabby my pup has a crate but never uses it (unless he wants to get treats as I've always rewarded him for going in). I tried crating him in my bedroom for the first week but gave up on the second day as he was waking every hour and crying. He has slept in the bed with me since then - no accidents at all overnight and I've always known when he's needed to go out.

Some breeds are quite independent and it's easy to settle them to sleep away from you. For others (and I suspect this is a personality thing too) they want to be with you, and it's going to be more of a struggle to get them to sleep alone. Retrievers and spaniels are on the needier end, and of course when you bring them home, they'll never have slept alone before.

Bill's free range in the house now. Yes, he can be a nightmare and I'm always discovering new things that aren't puppy proof, and I couldn't conceivably leave him alone for any length of time - but I wasn't intending to until he was older anyway, as nothing about his age, breed or personality suggests he'd be able to cope yet.

It is sometimes a pain in the arse, and I'm currently in a bit of a panic as I have no daycare at half term and have to go into work. Still, though, it was right for us to more or less abandon the crate, and I don't regret it.

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YorkshireFelix · 09/10/2024 14:14

Muddy walk this lunchtime! Made the mistake of wearing a fresh pair of light coloured jeans and came back covered in paw prints 🤪

Bupster · 09/10/2024 14:34

I'm really struggling again today. I forgot it was halfterm coming up, my normal daycare lady is away, my friends who often take the puppy can't do because it's halfterm, and none of my usual sitters are available, and my daycare emailed to say they couldn't help. I think I'll probably sort it out (I rang the daycare and we are going to a meet and greet at their main centre, and I'm waiting to hear from a sitter too) but this lunchtime it was all too much and I ended up bawling into his fluffy neck.

I don't know what I'm going to do at Christmas either - especially if he's still struggling this badly in the car. My closest family live over an hour away and Christmas events will happen at theirs as they have kids.

Sometimes it feels like the stupidest thing I could have ever done to get a dog when I live alone. It's really exposed my lack of network here (or perhaps my hesitancy in reaching out to people to ask for help, or most likely both). I just feel utterly overwhelmed by everything today. I'd never give him up, but today I feel like I'm drowning.

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PyreneanAubrie · 09/10/2024 14:48

Sorry you're having a difficult day @Bupster

I can't give constructive advice because we're old and our circumstances are less pressured. But I'm sending you very un-mumsnetty hugs from me and Brie 😘

Bupster · 09/10/2024 15:04

Thank you @PyreneanAubrie - I'm imagining them as being very fluffy 😍

I didn't sleep very well and that makes everything harder. I've been really very lucky with my work in that I can stay home so much - this would have been a complete non-starter otherwise - but there are some non-negotiables and I was just unprepared for the anxiety this would generate.

I sometimes feel like I've got everything all wrong, and that if I'd been a different person he would be a more independent puppy etc blah blah. My sensible brain knows this isn't true - he's half a spaniel - but sometimes it's my own spaniel brain in charge, and it has no ears, and it's nose down in misery today.

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brushingboots · 09/10/2024 15:55

On the general topic of sleeping away from you. I'm feeling a bit miserable today so have gone to work/procrastinate in the snug under a blanket with the tv on. Usually pupsy would be with me on the sofa, trying to get into my skin etc, but she's decided to stay asleep in the kitchen. So they do get properly independent, and I'm honestly so proud that she's chosen to do that. Just wanted to issue a tiny bit of hope for anyone whose pup is glued to them.

brushingboots · 09/10/2024 15:58

Bupster · 09/10/2024 15:04

Thank you @PyreneanAubrie - I'm imagining them as being very fluffy 😍

I didn't sleep very well and that makes everything harder. I've been really very lucky with my work in that I can stay home so much - this would have been a complete non-starter otherwise - but there are some non-negotiables and I was just unprepared for the anxiety this would generate.

I sometimes feel like I've got everything all wrong, and that if I'd been a different person he would be a more independent puppy etc blah blah. My sensible brain knows this isn't true - he's half a spaniel - but sometimes it's my own spaniel brain in charge, and it has no ears, and it's nose down in misery today.

Ah @Bupster, you know you can always message me and if I can help I will <3 You haven't got everything wrong at all.

Daffodilpup · 09/10/2024 16:37

Im struggling with my 17 week old retriever. He is starting to snap (I think) it doesn’t seem like puppy biting but more now. If you take something away from him that he shouldn’t have or stop him doing something unsafe he jumps up and bites. I’m starting to get a bit wary of him. He’s very cute most of the time but this behaviour seems like it’s gone beyond puppy biting. I don’t think he’s resource guarding as if he is eating something he shouldn’t be (like a stone) we offer something better to get him to drop it. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t.

PyreneanAubrie · 09/10/2024 17:01

Daffodilpup · 09/10/2024 16:37

Im struggling with my 17 week old retriever. He is starting to snap (I think) it doesn’t seem like puppy biting but more now. If you take something away from him that he shouldn’t have or stop him doing something unsafe he jumps up and bites. I’m starting to get a bit wary of him. He’s very cute most of the time but this behaviour seems like it’s gone beyond puppy biting. I don’t think he’s resource guarding as if he is eating something he shouldn’t be (like a stone) we offer something better to get him to drop it. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t.

Our girl did exactly this at around 4 months. Every time we corrected her or stopped a behaviour she would jump up and snap at our hand and she hurt us on several occasions. It isn't nice behaviour.
We saw it as pushing the boundaries, they're sort of trying it on, but I agree that it's not resource guarding.

I'm not an expert in dog training and I don't want to give you the wrong advice, because I always seem to say the wrong thing when I answer questions here.

But I can tell you how I dealt with the grabbing and biting: I gave a sharp "no" and turned away or walked away.
Every time. Just "no" turn away, and refuse to engage further.
I don't know if this is correct from a training perspective but it worked for us.

She is now 6 months and no longer does this. She still bites the lead in play but it's a different sort of grabbing and isn't snappy or defiant. She is no longer biting at us at all or pushing the boundaries and she understands "no".

Daffodilpup · 09/10/2024 17:07

PyreneanAubrie · 09/10/2024 17:01

Our girl did exactly this at around 4 months. Every time we corrected her or stopped a behaviour she would jump up and snap at our hand and she hurt us on several occasions. It isn't nice behaviour.
We saw it as pushing the boundaries, they're sort of trying it on, but I agree that it's not resource guarding.

I'm not an expert in dog training and I don't want to give you the wrong advice, because I always seem to say the wrong thing when I answer questions here.

But I can tell you how I dealt with the grabbing and biting: I gave a sharp "no" and turned away or walked away.
Every time. Just "no" turn away, and refuse to engage further.
I don't know if this is correct from a training perspective but it worked for us.

She is now 6 months and no longer does this. She still bites the lead in play but it's a different sort of grabbing and isn't snappy or defiant. She is no longer biting at us at all or pushing the boundaries and she understands "no".

Thank you. Trouble is if we turn away he just carries on jumping barking and biting. The word ‘no’ also causes him to bark at us. It’s like he’s really stubborn and wanting to be top dog. We have classes beginning next week so will ask but really fed up and a bit worried to be honest.

PyreneanAubrie · 09/10/2024 17:08

Tiredness never helps anything @Bupster

You haven't got anything wrong, your boy is amazing and you have a wonderful bond with him. He's still just a baby and he will grow up.
You're just having a crappy day - sounds like @brushingboots might be too so send each other a pm x

PyreneanAubrie · 09/10/2024 17:10

Daffodilpup · 09/10/2024 17:07

Thank you. Trouble is if we turn away he just carries on jumping barking and biting. The word ‘no’ also causes him to bark at us. It’s like he’s really stubborn and wanting to be top dog. We have classes beginning next week so will ask but really fed up and a bit worried to be honest.

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I'm sure the classes will help. He just sounds a bit precocious; some of them are a bit bratty at that age. He will more than likely grow out of it.

Daffodilpup · 09/10/2024 17:12

PyreneanAubrie · 09/10/2024 17:10

I'm sure the classes will help. He just sounds a bit precocious; some of them are a bit bratty at that age. He will more than likely grow out of it.

Fingers crossed! Most retrievers seem to be chilled and calm and not bitey little buggers so that’s what I’m telling myself!

PyreneanAubrie · 09/10/2024 17:22

Daffodilpup · 09/10/2024 17:12

Fingers crossed! Most retrievers seem to be chilled and calm and not bitey little buggers so that’s what I’m telling myself!

He'll be fine!
There's always good support on these threads if you're having a bad day though, and there's often a few gundog breed folk here too, not just clueless me 🙄

YorkshireFelix · 09/10/2024 17:30

@Bupster I'm so sorry you're having such a rough day. It's so bloody hard isn't it, especially if you're doing it on your own. Hopefully the main daycare centre/alternative sitter works out. I hadn't even considered Christmas yet!!

YorkshireFelix · 09/10/2024 17:32

Vinny is going ham on the chewing today! He's been a pain all day. The corner of our TV stand is his current obsession as of today, and I can't keep him away from it. He's never even bothered with it previously which is annoying. He must be starting teething properly since he's now 4 months maybe?

I'm going to go out to Pets at Home tonight and see if they have any Yak chews as he keeps turning his nose up at the (gross) natural chews he's got. We have about 20 half nibbled ones in the cupboard 🤢

Any other recommendations welcome! Has anyone tried the antlers at all? I'm not sure if they are too hard for pup teeth?

YorkshireFelix · 09/10/2024 17:33

@Daffodilpup I agree it's probably boundary pushing rather than anything more sinister. We start classes this weekend too so hopefully that will make a difference for you!

DataPup · 09/10/2024 17:34

@Daffodilpup - with my older one, I once had to leave a hoodie in the garden with her still attached after extracting myself from it and sheltering in the kitchen. She was probably about 6 months then, she grew out of it.

PyreneanAubrie · 09/10/2024 18:45

@YorkshireFelix
Our Algy had a couple of the antler chews but I think it was as an older puppy so probably after his adult teeth came through. They are very hard but they do come in assorted types and sizes so it may be worth having a look at them because they do last for ages.

Brie is currently demolishing a large rawhide ring. Those are her favourite chews. I had to squirt bitter apple on the table leg this morning though; for the first time in ages the little sod was having a crafty nibble 😠

Cavalierchaos · 09/10/2024 19:06

Daffodilpup · 09/10/2024 17:07

Thank you. Trouble is if we turn away he just carries on jumping barking and biting. The word ‘no’ also causes him to bark at us. It’s like he’s really stubborn and wanting to be top dog. We have classes beginning next week so will ask but really fed up and a bit worried to be honest.

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My 9 month old is the same. I start by turning around and folding my arms, but if he carries on then I leave the room and keep repeating until he stops. That can take a while.

Twiglets1 · 09/10/2024 19:11

Hugs @Bupster & I know it can feel overwhelming at times, especially when we are tired. But Christmas is ages away and things could be very different by then.

Its very hard not having family locally to help but sounds like you are doing a great job building up your support network & giving your puppy lots of new experiences.

brushingboots · 09/10/2024 20:17

@YorkshireFelix Having bought virtually every natural chew on the market I consider myself (sadly) an unwitting expert on these now haha. Re long-lasting chews, for chewing rather than eating, we have had a lot of luck with these – and I caveat that she is picky as hell:

– cow/water buffalo/lamb/anything hooves, stuffed or empty. V good value as they tend to last for ages and you can use them as enrichment toys too by stuffing them yourself
– goat/lamb/cow horns, empty
– lamb/cow horn marrows
– wood chews, either a root or an olive wood bar thingy
– moose hide chews (doesn’t smell, lasts forever here – also available in other animals)

I find all of the above are much softer on teeth than antlers. We do have an antler but I only got it recently, from a venison farmer we know, as I felt they were too hard when she was small. I’ve tried Yaks but never have any success with them at all – don’t think she likes the taste. Have also had success recently with ostrich bones – not the huge caveman ones but drumsticks and wings. Small enough for a cocker mouth, easy to carry around, and non-splintering.

Re abandoning them half-eaten – he might come back to them, as their tastes seem to change. When we first had pupsy she would gladly eat a chicken foot a night but now, she won’t touch them, while other snacks that have been stored in the toy box awaiting their fate have been rediscovered months later with great enthusiasm.

In general if I’m keen for her to get started on a new one I tend to smear the end or a particularly knobbly bit that she can get her teeth on in Arden Grange liver paste. It stinks but it does seem to work and then they get a lick out of it too. They also do salmon and turkey but I find the liver one the best.

YorkshireFelix · 09/10/2024 20:38

Oh that is a good idea re the paste @brushingboots!

I ended up getting a Yak which he went mad for. They are expensive but will hopefully last a while! I also got a bigger puppy Nylabone in another flavour as he has one which he already likes, and a big olive wood chew. Hopefully that will keep him going for a while.

@AubrieDog Do you think the bitter apple works? I've not got any yet as it has mixed reviews. He seems to love to chew anything wooden so doors, skirting boards, table and chair legs have all been attacked. I'm hoping this wood chew I've got him will help.

brushingboots · 09/10/2024 20:48

@YorkshireFelix Excellent! I think I must have the only dog in the world that doesn't care for Yaks. The wood chews are brilliant, and weirdly enough we have just rediscovered our puppy nylabone which she came home with from the breeder after about a year of being totally ignored. Dogs eh.

I would think he is coming into peak teething stage now, bless him. I remember we went through a period where she was otherwise healthy and happy but not hungry and clearly in some discomfort, which I diagnosed as 'help my teeth hurt'. I've seen people recommend frozen tea towels too, and frozen carrots which I did try quite a few times with success.

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