My 3 year old whippet (who is in season) had (unprotected!) sex!!

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My 3 year old whippet went into season when we were on holiday, whilst my son looked after her. I explicitly told him not to let her off the lead, but being a 24 year old lad (who knows it all!), he let her off the lead. She normally has fantastic recall but obviously being in season, she went out of his sight for about 5 minutes and by the time he found her, she had tied with an un-neutered male whippet!!!

Anyway, when she tied with the male, she was on day 11 of her season, so by my understanding, at the most fertile time. My son and the dog's owner had to just wait until they'd finished. The woman gave my son her number and was very apologetic but obviously it was my son's fault - no un-neutered male would miss this chance of course.

Now, the one mildly amusing thing about this is that she chose a beautiful KC registered whippet (like she is!) so at least she has taste (!). What are the chances of that!! I know this as I have been in touch with the owner - her whippet is a stud whippet who breeds lots, so he's proven 😖

This happened 6 days ago. What are the chances she is pregnant and how would I know? I've googled it of course, but it talks about ultrasounds etc.

She doesn't seem any different yet, although her nipples are a bit bigger than normal (this could be my imagination though).

I'm a mixture of fuming with my son as this is going to be bloody hard work and I work full time, but also a bit excited 😬 We had considered breeding her next year anyway, but now is not a good time as we move house next month!

Help!

Vet nurse here , misalliance injection is not reliable , most vets will spey in this situation as soon as she has gone out of season.
Op obviously needs urgent veterinary advice to make a plan , if she doesn't act asap i hope she has enough money put by to cover a cesarean and any other emergency vet fees that may arise.

Ffs.

I am a ex council licensed breeder, I would strong recommend having the injection to abort the pregnancy - the market is incredibly saturated at the moment - majority of breeders are giving up breeding as the cost to actually ensure the puppies are well reared out weighs the money you make.

you may be excited for the opportunity to make some additional money and keep a puppy perhaps but if you work full time you’ll need to at least take the first 3 weeks off work to ensure that mum doesn’t fall asleep on a puppy and suffocate them.

if you aren’t willing to support the full rearing of the pups to the standard required you’re being irresponsible.

if you join the whelping box groups on fb you’ll get a lot of good information on how to correctly rear puppies.

also please note if your girl needs a C-section out of hours - it is between 2-3k

there’s so much to consider here. And no you will not be able to table for 4 weeks from date of mating. Day 11 is fairy early but you never know.

Aw puppies!
Of all disasters, give me kittens and puppies. No one can be mad for long at that.
Best wishes! You will be ok, lots of time till the birth and you will be nicely settle in the new house by then. Actually, it is an incentive to be ready and have a calm tidy home by then ❤❤❤❤

breeding shoul be banned

money hungry thays all it is-poor dogs

She might be ok. The dog won’t be though. Have you heard a dog squealing in pain during labour? Unnecessary agony it has to go through because the op fancies banging out a litter of puppies. And what then? A study on dog owners last year showed that 1 in every 10 dogs gets sold on or abandoned, and 1 in every 5 owners has considered rehoming their dogs. If the ops dog has five or more puppies, it’s statistically likely that at least one of those puppies will go to a home that will not care for it. How you can breed dogs during a crisis where shelters are bursting at the seams is beyond me. If you truly loved your pets then why would you do that to them?

Exactly. There seems to be a trend to neuter male dogs earlier and earlier, before they are fully mature.
And, yes, I intentionally mated my border collie during lockdown. Neither sire nor dam had pedigrees, but lots of good breeding. The pregnancy was trouble free, she birthed them easily, and the result was eight healthy puppies. All went to excellent homes, and three years later l'm still in touch with all of them and enjoying their agility and flyball prowess in some cases.
Pedigree whippets are pretty desirable. There seem lots to be of them about at the moment.
And to whoever wanted to know why the owner didn't stop them - Once they are 'tied' it's both dangerous and painful to try to separate them.

And yet, if she had adopted a cat from a rescue it would have been neutered, chipped and vaccinated for less than the cost of a spay at the vets.

This is how the cycle continues.

People on this thread are as thick as pigshit.
God help this country.

So you have a few options. Within 7 days of mating you can buy like a morning after pill for the dog, which is based on her weight. Otherwise, after 4 weeks you can have an ultrasound done to see if she is pregnant. Still then you can have her neutered even if pregnant. Third option is to have the pups and find responsible new owners. As a breeder, this can be very difficult as lot of people think about cute puppies and not about the future needs.

I didn't want anything from this thread other than advice on how I'd know if she was pregnant

Dunno. What did your Vet say?
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Yep, people only used to castrate males for behaviour reasons but it is becoming more common now. Sometimes vets now advise against it due to behaviour reasons, and often recommend that waiting until they are fully grown, which can easily be more than a year depending on the breed.
I’ve had both and when my girl is in season (2 recommended before spaying in her breed) we’ve just kept away from other dogs.

Horses are different - it’s very rare for a mare to not be intact and usually stallions are only left that way deliberately and fairly hard to tell when a mare is in heat, it’s much more subtle than dogs.

So having your in heat bitch offlead in a park in is kind of the owner equivalent of sticking your stallion in a field of strange mares without telling the owners.

It’s not because the bitch would be the one having the puppies so it’s up to their owner, or any weird thing like that - it’s just down to the practicalities because of how their seasons work it’s easier for them to be be kept away rather than all the other dogs.

Buy a pregnancy test. A dog one, not a human one (won't work).

How much are you going to make from this 'accidental' possible pregnancy with a pure bred sire op?

Lots of people? What people? And what, specifically, do they say the health benefits, conveyed, are?

This is an excellent point.
Doubt the OP gives a shit though.

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just get her spayed - theres so many whippets etc anyhow and puppies - we dont need more

It was generally thought the past that letting a bitch have a single litter prevented the phantom pregnancies which caused some bitches a great deal of anxiety and stress. Couldn't say whether or not this is true. Just saying it was out there and generally accepted, including by some vets.

Oh dear, I guess sarcasm doesn’t translate very well on here. 😳😳😳😳 I wasn’t being serious! As if anyone believes this was an “accident”!

Can you read? My post literally says I’m 26 now.

You’ve completely missed the point of my post. It’s not to talk about the level of achievement getting a mortgage at the age of 24 is, it’s to show the level of maturity a 24 year old can (and should) have. Even if a mortgage is unattainable for most 24 year olds a lot of them WANT one because they are adults now. If I was in my 50’s I’d be posting the same thing! I was simply demonstrating the level of responsibility myself and all of my friends had at the age of 24.

OP is acting as if her son is a child. At 24 he should know how to behave and know that letting an in season dog off lead is incredibly irresponsible and “he’s 24” is a stupid defence. Although I strongly suspect OP isn’t being entirely truthful herself.

That's the first thing that occurs to me too. Accident, indeed...

The more posts I have read the more unlikely this seems.
Your unspayed pedigree bitch in heat ran off in the park and just happened to meet a pedigree stud dog of the same breed and just happened to mate.
I don’t know much about dogs or dog breeding but surely someone with a stud dog isn’t just going to let him wander around the park shagging who he likes when she makes money from him.
And now though you don’t say as much are hoping for a pregnancy.
This has got chinny reckon written all over it.

If you want well bred dogs, sometimes you need to pay a good breeder for their time, effort and experience.

NB I have never bred a litter. I might one day, but both of mine are spayed (spayed at age 5 and age 4). The older's one spay was delayed by Covid; the younger one needed a bloody long time to grow up.

I am just reading about a rescue centre who cannot literally take anymore animals and have over 100 people waiting to send their animals in.

Another article is begging for donations as they cannot keep up with vets bills.

I do not support breeders, at all.