Puppy passed away from Vaccination

[Holidayhavanas]

Hello

Please I know Cavapoos aren’t the favourite breed on here, but we decided that a cavapoo was a great fit for our family after looking after a friend’s last year. I’m devastated to find out tonight that the puppy that we were planning on bringing home in a few weeks has passed away after her first vaccination. The breeder has said that this has never happened to them before and has offered a refund or to wait for the next litter (whenever that may be). My head is a mess as I’m so upset for the poor pup, I’m also thinking about the DC that were getting so much excited. DH feels he has no trust in breeder ( we did our research now I’m worried about health issues related to breeding?). Would you ask for the refund in this circumstance or wait for next litter?

Sorry should have said refund on the deposit!

I’m sorry about your pup. I think you need to realise that, though it’s very sad, it’s a lot better for your family that this happened now rather than two weeks after you’d brought them into your home. That would have been heartbreaking.

Cross-poo breeds can be bred for ££££. They sell for pedigree puppy prices without any of the health checks and breeding restrictions that come with along with a KC registered pedigree. That doesn’t mean that they can’t be lovely dogs. It does mean that they are the most popular choice for backyard breeders and puppy farmers. Trying to find a ‘good’ breeder among those is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

I hope this doesn't sound too cynical, but are you 100% certain that this has happened? Is it possible that the breeder has actually promised the puppy to more than one buyer and is just claiming that it died? Or worse, that there was never a puppy at all? Have you actually met the pup?

In any case, I would certainly ask for a refund and look for a different breeder.

It's exceptionally unusual for a puppy to be considered healthy and well enough for a vaccination by the vet and to die from it. I think and hope @CaptainCarrot is right. I wonder if they resold your puppy as someone came along late when the puppies were sold and offered extra money. I would ask for your money back and next time really make sure that you carefully check out any breeder.

Please stop encouraging all this breeding for people to make money it's cruel

I'm also rather disbelieving the puppy died. It's more likely been sold for a higher price. Go for a pedigree from a reputable breeder. As an aside there is a Cavapoo that lives opposite to me and it is the maddest dog ever. It jumps along the road like a kangaroo instead of walking properly. It spins round and round on its lead going round in circles and it's owner can't manage him. It refuses to sit before crossing the road. I've seen this lady really trying to train it to sit before crossing the road for about a year. It won't keep still and sit it's bottom down even for a moment so she can reward it. I watch her as she tries to sit it on the pavement outside my window most mornings.

It’s not that people are anti cavapoo. It’s that they hate puppy farmers and love dogs.

A KC registered bitch can only have 4 litters of puppies registered in her lifetime. She has to be at least 1 to be bred and can’t be older than 8 when she has a litter. Eg If you want aLabrador, you’ll find a lot of KC registered puppies for sale for between £800-£1500.

Cavapoos aren’t a recognised breed. You’ll find a lot of puppies on sale for between £800-£1500. A cavapoo bitch can be bred twice a year for as long as she provides live offspring. Puppy farmers keep bitches in unlit, unheated barns. They exist to be bred. They don’t go outside, they don’t get regular healthcare, they aren’t cleaned or groomed. They never walk on grass or learn what a toy is.

That’s what people hate.

I had similar thoughts as well. If you hadn't said they'd offered you a refund I would believe it is some sort of scam. Because they have I think someone else has maybe offered more money for the pup than you

However, if the puppy really did die (unbelievably sad if true) then like pp said - it's so unfortunate but better it happened now than in two weeks while on your care. That would have been so devastating and traumatic for both you, and dc.

I think this would loose me trust in the breeder and I would take the refund

I would take the refund and start looking for a breeder of toy poodles instead.
Check the kc website for recommended health tests for the breed and local breed clubs.
They will give you advice on planned health tested litters and breeders contact details.
This will be easier than finding health tested cavapoos.

Yeah, there’s a reason mixed breed dogs aren’t a “favourite” here.

it’s not the dogs, although mixed breeds can be very unpredictable, and half the time buyers think they’re getting a teddy bear dog that doesn’t shed or trigger allergies, forgetting that’s a poodle and by introducing another breed you actually remove those qualities, or water them down.

it’s the unethical breeding and the lack of regulation. Get a licence, a poodle stud and 15 different bitches and you can churn out cockerpoos, jackapoo, chipoo, yorkipoo, golden doodles, labradoodles in your garden shed to your pockets content.

there’s been a few threads here recently about puppies sadly dying. IIRC they’ve all been designer breeds, last one I read was a “pomski” I think, as if it couldn’t be predicted that is not a healthy cross

get a poodle.

Ok thanks all, all sage advice. I’ll ask for a refund.

That constant spinning could be the neurological issues caused by the Cavalier skull/brain compression, a well-known problem with the breed. So I suppose it can be passed on to a crossbreed. Bloody nightmare as it's extremely painful.

Sorry, OP. But it sounds more like the puppy was sick and the breeder is covering their own tracks OR she found a different home willing to pay more.

Please get a dog from a breeder that actually cares about dogs. Cavapoos are still sicky animals and there’s a reason most people in the industry/animal lovers/vets etc swerve them.

Sorry but the breeder sounds dodgy and I would be getting my money back and moving on.

I would be concerned that she is already planning another litter from the bitch having just had puppies.
Sounds like she is using her as a cash cow ☹️

I'd also take the refund. I doubt the breeder is lying... sometimes puppies do die. It's probably nothing to do with the vax though and if the breeder has said that, perhaps they are trying to absolve themselves of any blame. You'd be silly to tie yourself to that breeder though, when you might find a suitable pup elsewhere.

I don't know much about cav/poodle crosses, but there are decent breeders of poo crosses to be found. They breed from good lines and can offer family trees/KC reg of parent dogs - you still need to do your due diligence though, as just being KC registered isn't a sign of a healthy dog in itself. It does however mean you can look up the reg numbers and check for health tests/COI etc.

The
concering thing here is that they are already preparing to have another litter. Sounds like an unscrupulous breeder.
got a pedigree not an over priced overbred cross breed

Another who thinks that's probably the best option. It's very sad but much better to happen now than when you've had the puppy for a few weeks

A pedigree does not guarantee a healthy dog. Every potential puppy owner needs to thoroughly check out the parentage of a pup. Being a pedigree shouldn't make anyone complacent... they come with many health risks, well because they're pedigrees and often the gene pool is small.

Agree. Didn’t see this in OPs original post!

A good breeder won’t have more than two litters from a bitch IME. Usually 18-24 months apart. Not before the bitch is two years old and not after they are five.

Definitely get a toy poodle OP - you know what you’re getting with a pedigree. The behaviours/actions/issues are more predictable.

When did the KC minimum age change to 1, it used to be 2.
Dogs aren't fully matured by 1 year old, no wonder the KC is losing/has lost all credibility 😩

I would ask for a refund. It's a worry that she's already thinking of a future litter.

Even if she does have another litter straight away (which is awful imo) it's going to be at least sept before you could take a puppy home, ask for a refund and try to find a more suitable breeder x x

She's sold it to someone else for a higher price.

Doubtful. Puppies are no longer in such high demand as they were all over lockdown. There are plenty around and selling for much less. I don't think there are bidding wars going on!

This. Makes me sick.