I wnat to get rid of my dog

[Nabooh]

I won't. I'm just venting 😭😭😭

But I have 2 dogs age 5 and 7. Completely toilet trained since pups.

A close friend got a puppy and suffered a serious bereavement just weeks after. Breeder wasn't interested so I took pup to find a rescue to take her. Nobody had room anywhere or could help. I couldn't trust anyone to take her from FB or anything. This went on for weeks and months and eventually I just stopped looking.

But she's not toilet trained at all. I do everything I didn't successfully with my other dogs but she's just stupid. She just continues to pee inside and poo inside and this has made my older dogs start doing the same!!

Now if it's Cole or wet non of them will go out. They hold their pees in and just sniff about and act like they don't need it.

I'm trying my hardest to stay out with them till they go but I have health issues and standing gin the cold is SO painful waiting for all 3 to go.

I'm coming down every morning to piss and shit.

I've bought them new beds to crate train them.

In th night someone has got off the couch, gone to the bed and filled it with piss
. I'm just on my last tether

I wish I never kept the youngest dog. She's just ruined all the hard work put in with the other 2. They were toilet trained for years before she same along.

Sounds like you're on the right track @Nabooh , hopefully you'll have a good night with them all.

When she wanders about outside then immediately comes in and wees - if you pick her up and hold her so she can’t pee inside then take her out again 5 minutes later and rinse and repeat until she goes. Don’t let her feet touch the floor so you can prevent her from having the opportunity to go inside.

also have you tried clicker training? It can be extremely effective with slightly dimmer dogs

I just woke up (3am) so went downstairs, clean crates.

Let them out for the loo.

Older male and puppy did both a wee and poop.

Older female still did nothing.

Back in crates and will go back down at 7am.

Fingers crossed op.

No accidents!

But I think that was fully because I went down at 3am (and the crates obviously because if they were free roaming they would have done this eon the floor as soon as they felt the need)

Plus there wasn't alot of fuss about being put in the crate ( they have all been crate trained at some point but just stopped once they got older - before madame pissy pants arrived)

I still wondering how to attack 2/3 of them need ING a shit between 11.30pm and 3am.

Why couldn't they just do the shit at 11.30pm in the garden if they were happy to do it at 3am??

Well done, @Nabooh

Unless they have a tummy bug, they oughtn't need a poo or wee between 11 pm and 7am as healthy adult dogs.

But in my experience...if a dog wants to go out.. they NEED to go.

Worth getting up at 3am though if it means no cleanups.

I still wondering how to attack 2/3 of them need ING a shit between 11.30pm and 3am.

What are their mealtimes like?

You can't force a dog to go for a poo anymore than you can force yourself to do a poo when you don't need one.

I'm a dog walker and get a lot customers saying "make sure he does a poo" like I have any control over it. Yes, you can get them maybe squeeze a wee out with a command, but if their system isn't ready for them to poo then you can't force it!

They eat at about 8/9am and 3/4pm.

I know I can't force them but I'm trying to figure out a routine where they don't need it overnight.

I am so impressed with your approach- keep up the good work.

i don’t have your experience, but have had to find a way to get my dog to wee before we go out in morning. I have had to go and sit on the swing in the garden with a blanket for warmth, whilst he wanders and eventually wees. I just sit and wait. Now he knows it’s wee time.

You will crack this. I love the idea of them all snuggling together.

Drop the 3/4pm they don't need to be fed twice a day.

I would move the evening meal later so they hold it until morning, or just do one main meal at lunchtime with small snacks for breakfast and dinner.

We do the latter with ours and it works fine. He gets a snack at 7am, does a poo around 9, then lunch around 1, does a poo around 6pm and then gets tea at 10pm and doesn't need to go out at all over night.

His final toilet break is 11.30pm but he only ever goes for a wee.

I would imagine I would be torn limb from limb of i didn't give my 4 tea. Harsh suggestion that.

Lots of dogs manage just fine on one meal a day. Of course they may struggle with a change in routine at first but it's not a harsh suggestion at all.

Same here! Little dogs with smaller bellies do better on two meals a day {same volume of food split into two meals}.

Re feeding frequency..Small dogs like Chihuahuas are usually fed two to three small meals a day- Whippets are fed twice {PDSA advice on their website}

https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/feeding-times-and-frequency-for-your-dog#:~:text=Dogs%20should%20eat%20at%20least,can%20become%20hyperacidic%20causing%20nausea.

Little dogs with smaller bellies do better on two meals a day {same volume of food split into two meals}.

Generally I would agree, but something isn't working here if all three are toileting overnight, so I don't think it's so weird to suggest changing mealtimes or just giving a snack in the evenings instead.

If it doesn't make a difference or makes things worse it can always change back.

The large dogs could probably do on just one meal..but also what type of food are you feeding @Nabooh ?

High quality digestible food produces smaller, easy to pick up poos..Butternut Box, various raw foods created for dogs make for denser poo -possibly less 'frequency' too.

Feeding them at night goes against my brain somehow but I'm willing to try it,

They had breakfast late today 11am.

So should I do a snack around 3 and then their dinner at 9pm? Then a quick walk and bed?

They are on Millies wolfheart kibble, with a liver topper that's made into a watery gravy to soften it. They also have a pump of salmon oil in 1 meal and a probiotic with the 2nd.

I really don't want to change their food as my boy has significant intolerances and it's taken me literal YEARS to find a good food combination that makes no one itch and they eat it!

@Nabooh If your dogs are ok on that food leave it at that.
My dog eats no later than 6 pm.

( Apart from tiny treat at bedtime)

mine eats main meal at 4pm. he sometimes eats a smaller one at noon as well. I leave a tiny amount of kibble in bowl overnight. He shits at 9pm and 9am/10am respectively. He's a smal/medium mixed terrier.

outside I should add. usually on a walk, rarely in the garden.

Pulling my bloody hair out here 😂😂😂

Little dog been a star. No accidents. Everything outside.

Older female point blank refused to piss all morning (from 11.30pm last night)

I was doing stuff in the garden and taking the bins out so she had been pottering round the garden alot so STUPIDLY thought she may have had a wee without me seeing.

Took her out at 7am. 8am. 9am. 11am. 12.30pm

Thwn I put he run living room whilst I hoovered and I could hear her Barking but I thought it was at the hoover because she HATES it (hence being put away) walk into a massive piss and shit.

I think she rage shat 😒😂

They had breakfast late today 11am.

Is it normal for them to wait until 11am for breakfast?

I think you really need to try and get them in a set routine for meals - either three small meals a day, or one decent midday meal and two snacks either side, plus a bedtime biscuit or similar in their crates.