Two male dogs fighting viciouslt

[Mistletow]

Hi I have 2 male dogs, first dog is grand basset Griffin vendee, second an oeb bulldog , gbgv is 4, oeb is just 1. So puppy grew up with gbgv for past year and played and got along well once the older dog got used to pup. Sleep together in the back room and play and ramble about outside. Recently they have started to fight savagely. I can't get them to stop and have to pull rjem apart. It is usually instigated by the oeb , he will stare at the older dog, tail pointing up , back rolls standing and then they go hammer and thongs. Older dog gives it back as good as he gets. None of them whimper and to be honest the pup is mad to get back at older dog if he can. None are neutered. I'm heartbroken as I don't want to have to loose either of them but also don't want any getting hurt. Pup actually is the one who ends up getting cut or scarred on his ears most of the time. When I say pup he's same size as older dog but a lot stronger looking . Any advice as to how to prevent it. I dont feed them together , I don't give them toys . It seems to be only when we are around them.

Get them neutered asap, why havent you done this
Muzzle them
Keep them apart
Do not let them near other dogs

Sorry I meant the older dog is neutered the pup isn't. I nearly forgot he got neutered. So could that be the issue. Young dog full of hormones ?

Possibly, also territorial, why dont they have toys.

I haven't got the pup neutered because he's only turned 1 last month. They aren't near any other dogs, they are walked in our own land and fields on a leash. We have no other animals

They do have toys but they don't get given to them when in enclosed space , they will happily play with balls etc out the back but when they come in i won't give them any for fear it causes a fight

Get the younger dog neutered asap and keep them muzzled and apart until you can get this sorted. It might take a behaviourist to fix it but you need to keep them from getting to each other until then.
It'll cost you dearly if you do nothing.

I'm amazed when I read threads like this.
So you have two dogs, unneutered who savage each other regularly.
Hmmm, what would I do. Probably at this point put one or both to sleep. Dog on dog agression is no fun but you have let it escalate to this level which is unfixable. Neutering will fix nothing.

Really? Why would I get them put to sleep for god sake. This has happened in the past week , bar one or two tiffs when pup didn't know his place. I have an app with a dog expert for the 10th of October. They are being kept seperate and watched until I can speak to someone.

Yes I have an app booked, soonest I could get is 10th of Oct. I really hope they can help sort it out, I don't mind how much it costs or what we need to do. It's just so strange as they got along so well the past year , and out of the blue this starts happening

Because once they have this dynamic it does not change. Both equal sized, equally matched, one a bull breed, both entire. What did you think would happen? Think they will kiss and make up? Most behavioralists wil run like hell from this scenario.

Honestly, give it time and the bulldog will end up seriously hurting or killing the basset. Once it's fully mature it will be bigger, stronger and capable of doing way more damage.

It's clearly very motivated to fight if he's constantly eyeing the other one up and is desperate to go back in for round two once they've been separated.

Look, bottom line is that these two dogs cannot live together. My priority would be to keep the older one, I assume he's always been ok with other dogs prior to this one?

Re-home the second one with the caveat that he is the only dog in the home and is reactive towards other dogs.

My friend is a vet and sees OEB regularly. Most get put to sleep, awful heath issues, fighting, dog agression etc. Not a stable breed. Id get rid of it first if I had to pick. It seems unlikely you are going to do that though as you are minimising it. Have you ever seen a dog kill another? Not something that you forget.

Good advice

I sgree
You can’t keep both dogs, rehome whichever one you can find a good home for most easily,

No I'm not at all minimising it, they both behave great with other dogs, our neighbours dogs come into our garden and they all will happily play, snif together, both female and male dogs. I have no experience of this having had dogs throughout my life since a child, hence why I'm asking what might have brought it on, considering they got along great up until last week. If I have to get rid of one it will have to be the pup, my older guy was here longer. I'm just baffled how with no change in routine or circumstances this has come on so sudden on two dogs who like I saw can go to dog events, local festivals where they interact with other strange dogs and never a tittle from them.

Where do you read I'm minisming it ? I've sought advice, booked an appointment, kept the dogs apart, and came on here for advice also ? Yes I have seen a dog killed years back by an off the lead GS and it was awful. The whole bloody point of me creating this thread was to see what is causing it and get advice from people

I think this sums it up well. The Bulldog is not yet fully mature, and I would put money that if you continue to allow them access to each other, the GBGV will end up dead.

Unless you are prepared to have that on your conscience, I would carefully rehome the youngster ASAP.

If it is the case that the behaviour specialist can't do anything then I'll have to take their advice, when I rang the vet they said neutering won't do much , asked me how they were around other dogs ( not in the home) and he had no advice once I told him they behave well with other dogs. I'm honestly gutted for them and our family. We initially thought it would be extra company for the older dog and was thrilled watching them play and run all over the grounds .

Its a bull breed
Its unneutered
It has learned to fight
It is fighting with your other dog
It has testosterone as it is growing hence battle for top dog
Cant believe you allow it to mix with neighbours dogs- just waiting for a free for all?
Get rid now before it gets worse.
Thats as simple as I can say it.

I won't let that happen no way , I would never forgive myself , I just wpuld have to make sure the pup was going to a home without other dogs so. Thanks all for the replies, I will still see the specialist as I've paid a deposit but I'm sure they will probably reiterate the same. And I just can't take the chance. Gutted

Just coming on to offer sympathy as I've had the same. The older dog went to my Mum in the end as she's no danger to anyone except herself. I'm so sorry to read that you're going through this.

I'd get neutered then re home and check in with the breeder as well as other rehoming charities.

Excuse me, my neighbours dogs wander into my garden , my dogs do not leave my garden. I've tried everything to keep them out as they will poo all over the garden. What would you suggest I do apart from that ? 🙄

By the way remember not to get your hands or arms in the mix when separating fighting dogs. Use a large bucket of water. Keep them both muzzled and crated / kept separately from each other.

@Mistletow sorry I probably told you what you already know. Don't listen to anyone saying you're minimising this, if that was the case you wouldn't be seeking advice or help.
Best of luck to you it's an awful position to be in, not the same I know but my dog was fear aggressive and I know the stress these kind of things cause.
Dogs are our family members you obviously love yours very much.
What about those plug in things? Adaptil I think they're called? Might be worth a try I'm sure they calm them like feliway does cats.

A fence maybe?
If you have any dog esp a bull breed you should have them securely contained. If your neighbours dogs can get in.... then yours can get out. Really want to have a dog reactive bull breed with bite history roaming free? Hope you have good insurance.