Two male dogs fighting viciouslt

[Mistletow]

Hi I have 2 male dogs, first dog is grand basset Griffin vendee, second an oeb bulldog , gbgv is 4, oeb is just 1. So puppy grew up with gbgv for past year and played and got along well once the older dog got used to pup. Sleep together in the back room and play and ramble about outside. Recently they have started to fight savagely. I can't get them to stop and have to pull rjem apart. It is usually instigated by the oeb , he will stare at the older dog, tail pointing up , back rolls standing and then they go hammer and thongs. Older dog gives it back as good as he gets. None of them whimper and to be honest the pup is mad to get back at older dog if he can. None are neutered. I'm heartbroken as I don't want to have to loose either of them but also don't want any getting hurt. Pup actually is the one who ends up getting cut or scarred on his ears most of the time. When I say pup he's same size as older dog but a lot stronger looking . Any advice as to how to prevent it. I dont feed them together , I don't give them toys . It seems to be only when we are around them.

I have no wisdom to add but just to say that we got a young Jack Russell who used to play happily when he met his friend, another JRT pup. They were a joy. Then when they were around a year old, something changed, and they started to challenge each other and to fight. Now we have to avoid them meeting as JRTs like a fight and they will keep going even if badly hurt, so I've been told

Thank you, my god some of the replies here are crazy, I'm responsible now for letting my neighbours dogs into my garden, surely it wouldn't be my neighbours who should be monitoring their own pets and making sure they stay in their own home.

I will still get him neutered if is helps to rehome him and gives a better safety barrier. He is other than the fights a real lovable dog with a very kind temperament to everyone else in the family or anyone who visits.

It's a pity, I've been onto the breeder just this morning to let them know, we all have a group chat so any of the litters owners can at least watch out incase it happens with theirs.

Thanks again for the reply

’Re-home the second one with the caveat that he is the only dog in the home and is reactive towards other dogs’

This ^

100% this.

Keeping these two dogs in the same home is massively unfair on them both. Keep the oldest and rehome the younger one - and make sure he goes somewhere where he's the only animal in the home.

Dogs can and do fight to the death.

Would you just stop 🤣I have a fence, I have a large electric gate. They dug a hole under my fence. I rang my neighbour, they told me they'd sort it. They didn't. I live in the country side. Thats the only neighbour I have. My dogs don't leave the property unless they are on the lead. Your reaching now tbf. My neighbours know I have dogs , I can't do much more than run them off everytime I see them.

Nothing crazy about responsible ownership. Good fences make good neighbours and all that.
Every dog that bites is 'loveable' at some point.
Neutering now makes zero difference.

Thank you, yes I won't let that happen . I'm not sure how quickly I can get the re homing done but I can give the pup to my parents who have no dogs and live rural. It will be a means to an end until a permanent fixture

If your dogs bite or kill their dog its your responsibility. If your dog escapes and bites its also your responsibility. Id be fixing the fence. Maybe not be so narky when someone gives you good if unwelcome advice?

@Mistletow I'm glad your parents can accommodate one of them temporarily - that's good as it means they can be split and housed safely - it'll do wonders for everyone's stress levels!

Thank you, yes my husband has separated them when they fight so he's wary of them biting him by mistake. We do love them v much , the kids will be gutted but they will also see the bigger picture , theyd rather the dogs alive than one dead.

Honestly the past 2 days I've been so stressed and worried about them both. They both cry and whine now that they aren't together but can see each other . I just want to make sure no one gets hurt.

news.sky.com/story/man-arrested-and-five-american-bulldogs-destroyed-after-woman-mauled-to-death-in-liverpool-12711744

Well what I'll do is ring the warden as there is dogs on my property , they might be able to sort it. No your being rude with your replies, and because I have an answer for you each time, ie I have a fence, I have boundaries, it's irking you and your coming back with more . I can't stand outside day and night policing my neighbours dogs. They've been told to keep their dogs out of my property

You should do that. Then they can lift the bulldog who is not under proper control. Best of luck now.

'IVE HAD DOGS ALL MY LIFE"🤔

I saw that , awful and so sad. My dog is not a pit bull or an American bulldog. He has also been raised in a loving home and not used for breeding purposes. Apart from the past couple of days he's been an absolute pet and has had no anger issues with human or any other dog , wild cats have come into my yard and he's not batted an eye

Unfortunately I think rehoming pup is the only option here sorry :(

My friend had a bull breed, he was absolutely lovely, laid on your knee, was loving and affectionate and never showed any sign of a bad temperament. Until one day she came home from work to find blood everywhere and her smaller dogs head in the doorway. He just turned 😢 I had to hear her howls down the phone when she found him.

If your pup is already shown signs of aggression then he needs to be in an only dog household.

Thank you. I'll keep you posted.

Oh my god thats horrendous, I'm a firm believer of not putting all your trust into an animal no matter how loving they are. My parents have said they will keep him if I can't find a suitable new home. They live a couple of hours away so at least I'd know he is safe and loved and could see him on occasions. I'm really sorry for your poor friend .

Simply as possible...the Bulldog is just entering thug phase; He has tried his luck with the older one and its taken him time to build up his resentment...he's jealous and territorial and it is you, that they are fighting about. The Bulldog is keen to get the upper hand here and wont stop easily...you will not be able to relax around them; I love Bulldogs despite all the negative talk about the breed problems (and they do have them). They are regarded with suspicion anyway by other breeds due to their appearance and the sounds they make like snoring and grunting.....my Bulldogs over the years have been attacked whilst out walking by other dogs who just cant 'read' them. You are correctly getting expert advice, and a good dog behaviourist will definitely help you and mainly focus on the dynamic, and on you and how you deal with them day to day..until they come to you, to visit and assess, just keep apart, do not leave them unattended and be very even handed with each.....FWIW I have kept Bulldogs for years and years and have often had 2-3 together with no problems. I sought a behaviourist advice when introducing a new one and there are clear measures you need to take for safety and enjoyment. I have also had Bulldogs with other breeds and agree you do need to make adjustments to how you handle them and manage them - but it can be done and Ive never yet had to re-home anything; Do take the behaviourist advice though and don't be tempted to 'shop around' provided you have faith in the advisor......they will be keen to help you and IF the advice is to re-home the Bulldog, then, just do it, to the best home you can get and Id suggest a charity...please message me if you need any specific advice in that respect (Im not affiliated to any particular one but I know of 2 excellent ones and I also have access to some other breed specific advice). I do know how you are feeling and Im hoping you manage to keep them both but only if you can relax and enjoy both of them; Good luck with it.

This is bullshit

Absolutely no need to leap straight to pts

Thank you for the information. I will 100% be taking the advice of the professional no matter what. The 10th seems so long off but I'm lucky I have a temporary plan in place until then. He definitely chances his luck and has done growing up but it was only ever a warning growl etc. I just felt at a loss as I had tried to do everything right, fed seperate, walked well , given plenty of attention to both etc. I will update when I speak to the specialist. Thanks again

Having seen a few of their previous replies of advice on here, I won't be taking anything they say on board. I'll leave it to the professionals. Suggesting both dogs be put to sleep. My god.

You are a delight! Come on asking for advice then pile on with anyone who comes along to try and override the advice.
You sound massively uninformed but having worked in rescue for many years very often the best option is PTS but hey, why listen to reason!

We had a similar scenario between two male collie crosses.

Our vet said that the younger male was approaching dog puberty, male hormones rampant urging him to challenge his rank in the pack , and the solution was to neuter one dog . The entire dog and the neutered one would both then both recognise and accept their revised sex/rank status.

It worked, peace returned and there was no further aggression. In our case the vet (who knew both dogs) advised neutering the younger and more powerful aggressor.

No no, I've replied to all advice , you seem to have missed the part where I said I had booked an app and had the dogs separated until a solution was made available. Your attitude in all your replies on this board tells a tale in itself. You might look at how your tone comes across online. Also suggesting two healthy dogs be put to sleep ? One I could see your reasoning but two ? Yes a rescue worker indeed.