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Overweight Pooch

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SausageDogNamedBrenda · 03/05/2022 21:38

Went for a check up today as part of vet scheme. I knew our Lab had put on weight since being nuetured but omg he's 60Kg!!
He's only 5 years old, I stopped treats a few months back but habits creep back and he gets the odd titbit.
We have joined doggy fat club😀
He has 2 meals and 3 walks a day. Not sure how I can help him, he has a carrot mid day and a tiny biscuit at bedtime.
Any tips?

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SausageDogNamedBrenda · 30/05/2022 23:14

@Addidog oh no how disappointing! I'm sure steroids aren't helping him to lose weight. How long has he got to take them for?
Well, the dog loves broccoli and sugar snap peas, so is having them as a treat instead of a carrot. Not often, just a couple of little bits a day.
We were out on Saturday so i scattered his kibble in the grass at dinner time. That kept him busy for a while.

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Addidog · 31/05/2022 13:24

@SausageDogNamedBrenda sadly the steroids are for life. He loves some fruit and will try snap peas with him.
He's so fussy. This morning he turned his nose up at the raw bites but he had some kibble that he previously refused. I give him too many options so now its raw or kibble. Problem is he only had kibble hand fed so this morning he was laying down eating from my hand like he's a king 🙄

RandomMess · 31/05/2022 13:29

@Addidog he's just a wee precious sensitive boy Wink

AlternativePerspective · 31/05/2022 13:45

I have a lab and his optimum weight is 31kg, he’s a guide dog.

Food is weighed out precisely, and any treats come out of that, with the exception of free runs wen he gets liver paste. Search for it on amazon, it’s better than actual treats because you just squeeze the tube and the dog licks a tiny bit of the end, hardly any.

Labradors actually don’t have the gene which allows them to feel full, so they will eat and eat and eat regardless of how much you give them.

TBH feeding a dog from your plate should never be encouraged anyway as it teaches them to scrounge and it’s an awful habit to break. But human foods are so much worse for dogs than dog foods.

Glad he’s losing weight though.

SausageDogNamedBrenda · 31/05/2022 16:30

@Addidog he sounds adorable 😍

@AlternativePerspective I think my son is part labrador with that gene too!
His only treats not is broccoli and sugar snap peas which he seems to enjoy. He actually just lays down now while we are eating as he's realised he gets nothing.
I can't imagine him being 30kg, he was that as a puppy 😃
I want to get him down to 50, then 40 and see how we go

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Addidog · 31/05/2022 19:27

@RandomMess @SausageDogNamedBrenda It’s a good job he’s cute, all other ways he’s a terrible first dog!

doingwhatican · 01/06/2022 11:01

Our lab is 31kg and 4 years old! We feed him 140g Royal Canin measured out twice a day. He gets one carrot. No treats. The odd bit of kibble on walks and that gets taken out of his daily rations. He would eat everything he finds on the street if he could. You’re obviously committed to fixing the problem -and you must for your dog’s sake. Good luck!

SausageDogNamedBrenda · 06/06/2022 19:40

So 2.7kg lost since Start of May. Not an awful lot but at least it's going down.
He still has a bad leg, anti inflammatorys haven't helped so the vet wants an xray now but can't fit him in till next week😟 so the poor boy is not happy.

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EdithStourton · 06/06/2022 21:45

He's doing better than me!
Keep going, slow and steady downwards is better than stable or upwards.

EinsteinaGogo · 07/06/2022 19:42

Thank you for posting, @SausageDogNamedBrenda

We have just noticed our lab has put on weight since being neutered.

I now need to be ultra strict and nip it in the bud.

Hope your boy's leg improves soon. He looks like a lovely chap.

SausageDogNamedBrenda · 07/06/2022 19:50

@EinsteinaGogo
Thankyou! It's so surprising how a few treats here and there put on the weight so quickly😮
It's not helping that he can't exercise at the moment. I'm really worried he will need surgery.

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EinsteinaGogo · 07/06/2022 20:00

I bet, OP. That's such a worry 😩😩😩😩

I hope he improves quickly xxx

Food wise, I've just ordered Royal Canin weight management dry food.. our lab has their normal kibble so hoping it will be a good swap.

Not that he likes the dry kibble by itself. I usually mix with cooked chicken or low fat mince. I've started putting some cooked carrot and apple in it too (he won't eat raw 🙈).

SausageDogNamedBrenda · 07/06/2022 20:48

Ive been researching dog food on the site 'All about dog food.co.uk'
It's really surprising! It gives a nutritional %
Th Royal canin doesn't rate well at 36%
Pedigree is 14%
Step up to naturals which is a cheapish one that I buy from pets at home is 75%
It's worth a look!
I.always put wet meat in with his kibble so have cut right back in that. The vet told us no carrots as too sugary😖 He loves a carrot. Poor boy

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EinsteinaGogo · 07/06/2022 21:00

Ooh blimey... will have to have a rethink maybe, thank you OP 🙏🏻

SausageDogNamedBrenda · 07/06/2022 21:22

I was shocked! It's worth a look x

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SausageDogNamedBrenda · 16/06/2022 18:36

Update.....
He went to the vet for an Xray, nothing wrong! And he's stopped limping today🤦‍♀️
On the plus side he has lost a total of 4kg

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SarahSissions · 16/06/2022 20:28

Well done! That’s really good. I’m sure losing the weight is making him feel much more comfortable.

EinsteinaGogo · 16/06/2022 20:45

👏👏👏👏

Nice job, OP.

Well done that dog!

Wish I'd lost 4kg 😂

PetPositive · 17/06/2022 10:38

Hi,

I'm sorry, I don't have the time to read all the previous comments so I may well just be repeating some of the excellent advice I've already seen on a skim read.

Firstly, well done for acknowledging it, it can be really hard for owners to see their own dogs as carrying excess weight (1), and even when vets point it out 50% of owners will disagree with their diagnosis. So well done for getting over the hardest hurdle of recognising the issue and wanting to do something about it! Someone mentioned above that overweight labs live on average 2 years shorter lives than healthy weight counterparts, what they didn't mention is that that's being only 10% overweight, so getting your dog's weight down whilst he's still young will be so beneficial for both his health, quality of life and length of life! (3, 4, 5).

So there's a few key things to know when approaching weight reduction.

Firstly, diet has way more impact on reducing weight that increasing exercise does (6). This is because for exercise to have a real impact on weight it needs to be a lot of vigorous activity, which generally severely overweight dogs are not able to do. (That's not to say exercise isn't still valuable, it won't help much with shifting weight but it will help to keep him toned which helps protect joints and makes weight management easier long term. I just wouldn't focus on it too much for now, if he's getting some lead walks that will be fine for now to help keep him toned, you don't want to overdo it whilst he's got extra strain on his joints)

Secondly, you can feed less than the recommended amount on pet food bags. So there's a few issues with the food quantity recommendations. Firstly, they don't take into account the dog's current weight status, they just say if your dog currently weighs 60kg feed him X amount, which is going to be far too much for a lab that's above his ideal weight. And even the recommended ranges for his target weight can't possible take into account all of the nuances that effect a dog's calorie requirement (age, sex, neuter status, activity levels, current BCS, metabolism). So don't feel you have to stick within what the bag recommends!!

In terms of deciding how much to feed there are a few options;

You can use formal calculations, or ask your vet to, for a neutered male the best guess for weight reduction is to feed 70% of the calorie requirement that would keep him a stable weight. This can be calculated using
70 X ( ideal weight (kg) ) ^ 0.75. In other words, his ideal weight in Kg to the power of 0.75, then times by 70, this gives you the number of calories he'll need a day. You can then work out how many grams a food if your food has the Kcal per g on the packet. Some packets don't have this information on but it can be estimated using this calculator www.pfma.org.uk/dog-calorie-calculator-nrc-method

OR, an easier alternative is to reduce what you're currently feeding by 25% to start with. Weigh what you're currently feeding, work out 75% of this, and weigh his food every day. If he's on kibble, weigh it out in the morning and all his meals and rewards can come out of that.

* One thing to be aware of though, is that normal (complete, balanced) dog foods allow a window so you can feed them ~80% less than what would keep them a steady weight whilst still providing all of the essential nutrients and vitamins in the necessary quantities. If you are going to reduce his food to less than 80% of his maintenance calorie requirement, I highly recommend swapping to a weight reduction formulated diet (e.g., royal canin satiety or hills weight reduction). These allow you to feel much less calories whilst still providing all of the essential nutrients. They're also high in fibre to help keep him feeling full.

Keep weighing him regularly (which your doggy fat club) will help with, and you can then easily track whether the reduction in food is having the desired effect.

In terms of treats, not all fruit/veg are actually all that low in calories, some are surprisingly sugary. I would stick to green veggies (broccoli, cabbage, courgette, cucumber, green beans, celery). Do little taste tests by offering two foods in a closed hand, let him sniff both and see which he goes back to, so you can find out which are his favourites. Also, think about no-calorie treat options, make a list of things that he enjoys doing and that way if you ever feel bad that he's not getting food treats you can make sure he's still a happy boy getting to do/experience things he does enjoy.

And in terms of helping to keep him full if you feel concerned that reducing his meals is going to make him hungry/unhappy, there are a few key things you can do. Slowing meals down helps increase satiety because it takes roughly 10 minutes from when dogs start eating for their brain to start sending out the hormones that tell their body they're not longer hungry. So if he gobbles down his meals and then still seems hungry, use slow feeders, puzzles, scatter feeding, scent games, snuffle mats, kong wobblers, treat balls, any type of enrichment that will slow down his meals.
You can also bulk out his meals using the low-calorie veg mentioned above or by soaking his kibble until it expands. The weight reduction formulated diets are brilliant because they're already sort of bulked out with the extra fibre so the portion size probably won't appear to change much even though it will contain a lot less calories.

Healthy weight reduction would be roughly 0.5% to 2% of his starting body weight each week (300g to 1200g a week for him), it will take a while to get him down to his ideal weight healthily, don't get disheartened though, by the time he loses 6% of his SBW (gets to 56.4kg) you should start to notice positive changes in his mobility and well-being. Take photos and videos at the start and along the journey so that any time you're feeling disheartened you can look back at the progress you have made and the positive impact it's had on him!

Over the last year I helped my dog lose 50% of his starting body weight, so a very similar situation to yourself, the best thing I found that helped is to make a table with the headings: date, amount fed, weight/measurements. And each day I recorded how much he was fed, every few days to start off with we weighed him and measured around his ribs and waist (which might be an easier thing for you to keep track of at home, my dog is a chihuahua so weighed him on the kitchen scales). Keeping track of that I could quickly see if he was still losing weight and knew how much food I'd been feeding him recently so I could easily drop it by 10% at times he stopped losing weight. I've attached some photos of him, he went from 4.5kg to 2.2kg and he was like a different dog, before he couldn't play with his sister because he couldn't run after her, he couldn't climb stairs, now he zooms around the garden, flies up the stairs and can easily jump onto the sofa to find himself the sunniest spot for a snooze.

Would love to hear updates on how he's getting on if you're willing to keep us posted!

Best of luck and apologies for the essay, it's just something I know a lot about (I'm a welfare scientist currently researching canine obesity) and want to help others get the same results my dog's had :)

(1) - Eastland-Jones, Rebekah C., et al. "Owner misperception of canine body condition persists despite use of a body condition score chart." Journal of nutritional science 3 (2014).

(2) - White, G. A., et al. "Canine obesity: is there a difference between veterinarian and owner perception?." Journal of Small Animal Practice 52.12 (2011): 622-626.

(3) - Kealy, Richard D., et al. "Effects of diet restriction on life span and age-related changes in dogs." Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association 220.9 (2002): 1315-1320.

(4) - German, A. J., et al. "Quality of life is reduced in obese dogs but improves after successful weight loss." The Veterinary Journal 192.3 (2012): 428-434.

(5) - Kipperman, Barry S., and Alexander J. German. "The responsibility of veterinarians to address companion animal obesity." Animals 8.9 (2018): 143.

(6) - Chapman, Melanie, et al. "An open-label randomised clinical trial to compare the efficacy of dietary caloric restriction and physical activity for weight loss in overweight pet dogs." The Veterinary Journal 243 (2019): 65-73.

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Floralnomad · 17/06/2022 13:00

Naturediet do a wet food that is less calories , it’s aimed at senior dogs , gets good reviews and they get ample , it’s also a very reasonable price for a good quality food . Our patterdale x has it mixed with a small amount of his Millie’s wolfheart kibble .

SausageDogNamedBrenda · 17/06/2022 13:37

@PetPositive thankyou so much! That's really helpful. Your doggo looks so healthy!
I can even see a tiny improvement even with only 4kg, his legs appear longer at the back and his collar is looser.
I certainly will keep updating
Thanks for everyone's help and encouragement 🐕

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PetPositive · 20/06/2022 13:33

@SausageDogNamedBrenda You're very welcome. Sorry I didn't realise until after I posted that your original post was a few months old, sounds like you've made great progress already and I'm glad to hear that he's no longer limping and you've been seeing improvements already! Well done :)

Addidog · 21/06/2022 10:06

that's great news on the 4kg and that surgery isn't required @SausageDogNamedBrenda

We have weigh in this week, I'm hoping he's not put on again! He is definitely getting more and more energetic, has coped well with an extra daily walk and has become more playful when he's seen his doggy friends.

SausageDogNamedBrenda · 21/06/2022 11:48

Good luck @Addidog 🤞
Our doggo does seem to have more energy, he is enjoying the park again and rolled around in the dust with his favourite yellow lab😀
Another couple of weeks till the next weigh in.

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EinsteinaGogo · 21/06/2022 18:28

Well done those doggos!!!