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Just discovered my pups mum has been bred again

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WetRainbowRoses · 08/03/2022 21:06

I just feel quite sad and cross about it really.

The advert isn’t available anymore but the timing coupled with the fact my boy is almost 7 months old now, I assume she’s been bred straight away on the next season again.

I feel bad for the bitch but I feel quite personally betrayed and a bit stupid/naive too.

My boy came from a local couple/hobby breeders, just having a few litters from their family pets (I was told that they were undecided whether this would be the bitch’s last litter or if they would have just one more then spay her)

I wanted a puppy from two loved family pets that had been brought up in a home environment, I know without a doubt he was definitely born and raised in their family home, as were this most recent litter I’ve found photographs of, the breeders were quite chatty to me and very forthcoming with regular photos and video clips and I really felt that they really loved their family pets and cared about the puppies and where they ended up, how they got on.

I sent quite a few messages and photographs to his breeder with updates as my boy got older as I thought they’d like to see how their puppy was getting on but after a while I did get the feeling they weren’t really as interested in how his looks had changed or what new tricks he’d learnt etc as I thought they would be.
Despite that, I really was silly enough to put that feeling aside assuming they were maybe busy with work or similar and felt that we all liked and respected each other and they appreciated knowing at least one of the pups definitely had a lovely home.

MIL is really smitten with our boy and I had told the breeder this and asked them to let me know if they decided to have a final litter (before I knew they were back to backing obvs) as MIL would really like a puppy from the same parents and they assured me they would, now, on finding out they’ve bred her again and not bothered to get in touch with me (not that I would have told MIL knowing what I know now) I feel like they are basically viewing their bitch and these puppies just as living money and probably didn’t contact me as they knew they shouldn’t be doing what they are doing and thought I might report them.

I’m questioning now if they were ever bothered at all how my lad was getting on or if it was always purely about the cash.

Im feeling pretty stupid.
I remember my DH rolling his eyes when I mentioned to him that the breeder had said that they might have one more then spay and I had told him not to be like that, they were lovely people and not just breeding for the money. Ugh. 🤦🏻‍♀️

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Itsbackagain · 08/03/2022 21:12

No, they weren't interested and it's cash, always cash. My MIL is a 'breeder'. 100's of unwanted dogs in dog trusts. I'm sure there will be someone along now defending their breeding but it is a money making business and thats all. The reason that breeders also say the pup must come back to them if it doesn't work out is generally so you don't discover that the line mostly is not the line you think it is. I've been around breeders all my life, cruft winners the lot - they're all I kid you not, crooks.

standupsitdownturnaround · 08/03/2022 21:17

I think if they sold the dog to you for money then they're doing it for the money. Unless you just paid the cost of the vaccinations and chip, etc.

standupsitdownturnaround · 08/03/2022 21:19

Meant to also say sorry though, sounds unpleasant. Best thing you can do is give your pup a lovely life and let other people know about your experience so it doesn't happen to them and other poor dogs.

userxx · 08/03/2022 21:19

Are you angry at them or yourself for not realising they are backyard breeders ? Of course they don't give a fuck about your dog, they don't give a fuck about their own dogs that they are massively profiting from.

Easterbunnyiswindowshopping · 08/03/2022 21:21

Isn't there now regulations about how close together litters can be? Report to the council. And rspca.

sjxoxo · 08/03/2022 21:24

Please consider a rescue next time.. there’s really no such thing as a responsible breeder imo. Until the day all the dog centres are empty that is! x

SoManyTshirts · 08/03/2022 21:25

Unlicensed breeding is a crime, I believe. Recent case in the local paper, the courts came down hard on them.

powershowerforanhour · 08/03/2022 21:28

Money talks and bullshit walks, as Danny de Vito's character said in "Twins".

LawnFever · 08/03/2022 21:28

I’m not sure what you’re upset about really, they openly told you they probably have another litter, and they have done Confused

Regularsizedrudy · 08/03/2022 21:46

You are literally feeding the demand for people to do this so I don’t see how you can be annoyed at them

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WetRainbowRoses · 08/03/2022 21:56

I’m not sure what you’re upset about really, they openly told you they probably have another litter, and they have done
Why am I upset?

Well for one, they have bred the bitch again on her next season.
She only had puppies about 6 months before, most dogs have a season every 6 months, you aren’t supposed to breed dogs on every season.
When they said maybe one more litter I thought they meant a year or more later.
Not the very next season.

For two, I was here thinking they were nice normal people with much loved dogs, having some litters but really taking care of the puppies. Nice, family breeders rather than commercial breeders.
I thought they were enjoying and appreciative of my updates and genuinely pleased to hear how their pup was getting on, but the fact they never bothered to tell me they’d had another litter despite me specifically asking them to because MIL would like a puppy makes me think that actually they never gave a shit.
I think they know they shouldn’t be breeding back to back and haven’t told me because they think I’ll report them.

I think that they’ve just responded with generic ‘oh that’s nice’ etc to my messages not really caring because they have the money. 7 pups in my boys litter. 5 I think from memory from this latest litter, I’d have to have another look to see.
So a lot of money. Every 6 months it seems.

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NewYearCalavicci · 08/03/2022 21:58

So you found out that they bread the bitch again , and it was to soon. How long should they wait ? Imo one litter of pups is to much , more than one is despicable.
If your mil buys one can you imagine what there advert will say

Lady buys one of our puppies and the whole family live it so much and trust our judgment and blood lines her mil has just bought one to .

On lookers will presume the breeder is a reputable one !

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WetRainbowRoses · 08/03/2022 21:58

You are literally feeding the demand for people to do this so I don’t see how you can be annoyed at them
I didn’t know they were breeding their bitch constantly every season.
If I had, I wouldn’t have bought him.
I thought I was buying a much loved puppy from a happy family home out of two much loved family pets.

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CBFA · 08/03/2022 21:59

Yeah, this is what some breeders do. Easy money! It's unfortunate you bought into it, but I am glad your naivety has lifted & you can educate others. There is no need to buy puppies.

gamerchick · 08/03/2022 22:00

Report her. There are rules now I think. Tax has to be paid and whatnot.

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WetRainbowRoses · 08/03/2022 22:01

So you found out that they bread the bitch again , and it was to soon. How long should they wait ?
It’s meant to be every other season isn’t it?
Or even less.

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BoredZelda · 08/03/2022 22:07

Probably should have done more research, or gone to a rescue. When people will pay money for a puppy, people are going to breed puppies.

Woollystockings · 08/03/2022 22:10

You’ve just fallen for the standard scam/pretence - dog from loving family home etc. It’s the normal spiel. Of course they aren’t interested in you, or the puppy, or the mother dog.

standupsitdownturnaround · 08/03/2022 22:10

Can you report them? That poor, poor bitch. They can't love her very much if they're willingly putting her through this. It's dangerous and traumatic.

Adopting dogs is a way better option. The shelters are expert and offer follow up care and training and vaccinations. It's healthier to have cross breeds and it's also better for dogs in general to promote adopting mongrels. They live longer, healthier lives.

Reviewer123456 · 08/03/2022 22:12

This is what breeders do, you have supported it by purchasing a pup from them. They will carry on breeding to make money and they have a queue of people like your MIL to supply to!

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WetRainbowRoses · 08/03/2022 22:15

You’ve just fallen for the standard scam/pretence - dog from loving family home etc. It’s the normal spiel. Of course they aren’t interested in you, or the puppy, or the mother dog
Yeah I know.
Hook, line and sinker.

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EdithStourton · 08/03/2022 22:18

Am I right in thinking the breeders owned both sire and dam? Because that in itself is a clue that they were breeding for cash, and not with the proper thought and consideration that should go into producing a litter of puppies.

OP, it sounds as if you had the best of intentions. At least you are sure that your puppy didn't come from a puppy farm, which IMHO is a much worse start in life, and a much worse life for the parent dogs.

There is such a thing as responsible breeding. It means ensuring that the puppies won't be affected by any of the recessive genetic conditions common in the breed, considering things like hip scores and relatedness, and making sure that the puppies you breed are likely to be suitable for whatever purpose you are breeding them for (and 'being a pet' is a perfectly legitimate purpose, in this day and age, and requires a really sound temperament).

There are breeders out there who are not 'crooks' (that is a sweeping and inaccurate generalisation). There are people who breed family pets with a lot of thought and consideration, and check out the people who buy the puppies: I have known several. I also know a lot of people who breed working gundogs. The vast majority of them hip score and health test, and IME they are very honest about their dogs.

I get sick of the hatred for all breeders, when many breeders are decent people producing good dogs.

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WetRainbowRoses · 08/03/2022 22:18

Can you report them? That poor, poor bitch. They can't love her very much if they're willingly putting her through this. It's dangerous and traumatic
I could but my concern is that any punishment would only be financial as they are obviously unlicensed.
Which sounds great in practice; fine them, stop them making money breeding the dogs but what if they then go on to dump the dogs now they aren’t useful?
My whole opinion of them has changed tbh.

Judging from my experiences with the RSPCA, I very much doubt they’d do anything.

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WetRainbowRoses · 08/03/2022 22:23

There are people who breed family pets with a lot of thought and consideration, and check out the people who buy the puppies: I have known several
This is unfortunately what I thought I was paying for.

I get sick of the hatred for all breeders, when many breeders are decent people producing good dogs
Me too.
A good friend of my DH is a dog breeder.
A really excellent one - DNA tests, Hip scores, carefully considered studs, puppy contracts, the lot.
Unfortunately her breed is not one me or DH would ever want else I’d have bought a pup from her instead.

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SteakExpectations · 08/03/2022 22:24

I had the same when I got my dog. When I first went to meet the family and the puppies, they seemed like genuine dog loving people. They had two dogs which had had puppies and because they loved the breed so much, they had rescued another and she was settling into their family. They explained with concern and affection that this new dog had not had a season with them yet and I understood that to mean that as an indication of her feeling settled with them but nope, when we went to take our puppy home, this dog was pregnant. Looking online, they had litters regularly and I was annoyed with myself for believing that they were loving dog owners, but it seems they were just in it for the money. I still feel disappointed in myself for falling for it - for being so naive.