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Staffys - tell me honestly, do they deserve such a bad rep

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tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 18/11/2021 16:37

Evening all

So we're looking for a dog to adopt and the rescues we're watching seem to have lots of staffys (why is this?!) We're considering going to see one this weekend (x with Shar Pei). He's four and according to the rescue shows no health or personality concerns associated with this breed and is pretty much a staffy through and through.

I've always loved this breed but DH is wary due to their rep.

Can you tell me honestly what they're like? I read something interesting on BBC which said they are actually s breed the kennel club recommends around young kids so that was a surprise!

Also a good friend of mine was attacked by one a few years ago requiring stitches and although I haven't asked her yet - I'm s bit worried what her reply would be tbh - I'm concerned she may refuse to walk her dog with us/come to her home. This is really niggling me enough to not consider him Sad

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Grumpyosaurus · 19/11/2021 22:17

@Indoctro I was saying nothing about when the staffie was recognised by the KC.

Do you have a reputable source for the nanny dog stuff?

OldTinHat · 19/11/2021 22:21

Loads of references to them being nicknamed a 'nanny dog' if you take time to google. For example: www.petplan.co.uk/pet-information/dog/advice/5-things-you-should-know-about-staffies/

Indoctro · 19/11/2021 22:22

A true staffy is a quite a small dog 14-16" most often it's a staffy x
The cross part can be a issue , and I wouldn't have a staffy X a guarding breed

A Shar Pei is a guarding breed and not of a trust worthy character so for that reason no I wouldn't have that dog.

It's not the staffy part I would be cautious of it's the shar pei side.

Also here is my staffy puppy Smile we were out for lunch in a reasonable posh restaurant who allowed dogs, he just sits nice watching you or people watching

Such a good boy go only 10 months old. I'm very proud of him.

Staffys - tell me honestly, do they deserve such a bad rep
StillPerplexed · 19/11/2021 22:27

I can't be the only person here who thinks they're an extraordinarily ugly dog breed, right? Every one of them I've personally met has been good natured (if too strong and boisterous) but they're ugly as sin. There are so many charming and elegant dog breeds out there that also have good personalities, I don't get the appeal!

DaisyStiener · 19/11/2021 22:29

I know OP, you’ve had lots of replies and very sensible to ask and very sensible suggestions
But yip, f*ck anything sharpei Shock and the issue with staffs , if they’re your own from a pup- you know their temperament , when you adopt ANY breed : your taking the seller/charities word for it
Staffys are indeed lovely dogs. Not a lot of health issues and totally bomb proof.
BUT if they choose to not let of of something in those powerful jaws…. Game over
Unfortunately there’s an epidemic of unhomeable dogs due to lack of training , and we all go round on circles - the person wants a dog-can’t get one from centre- puppy demand/fashion chooses impractical breed for lifestyle- behavioural issues- back to the homing centre or worse, Gumtree…

  • previous dog rehoming centre worker.
1WildFlower · 19/11/2021 22:31

No, they're beautiful dogs. We've had 2 before and they were lovely and so good with children.

Indoctro · 19/11/2021 22:32

@QueenofDestruction

I would never want one. My lab was viciously attacked by a staffie nipping me trying to rescue my dog. It just raved up to my dog from a distance and went for him.Have a look at the list of dog fatalities in the UK and Australia and there are always staffies on there.
Labs are responsible for for the highest % of A&E admissions for dog bites on children.

It's not a breed I trust.

Indoctro · 19/11/2021 22:35

@StillPerplexed

I can't be the only person here who thinks they're an extraordinarily ugly dog breed, right? Every one of them I've personally met has been good natured (if too strong and boisterous) but they're ugly as sin. There are so many charming and elegant dog breeds out there that also have good personalities, I don't get the appeal!
I honestly think they are so cute with there sad little seal faces , I always feel sorry for them Grin

My idea of a not cute dog is a spaniel, they do absolutely nothing for me. I don't see the attraction what so ever that breed

Horses for courses I guess.

bunique · 19/11/2021 22:41

StillPerplexed how could you say such a thing?! Grin

bunique · 19/11/2021 22:43

Darn, pics didn’t attach

StillPerplexed · 19/11/2021 23:37

@Indoctro Some spaniels have squashed faces (King Charles etc.) which makes them look like little mutants, I feel sorry for them.

@bunique your dog has a good snout. A lot of the staffies have this really wide mouth, makes them look like toads with fangs. You picked good angles too: they have this ridiculous uneven build which makes it look bodybuilders that skipped leg day one too many times.

Kanaloa · 19/11/2021 23:47

@StillPerplexed

I can't be the only person here who thinks they're an extraordinarily ugly dog breed, right? Every one of them I've personally met has been good natured (if too strong and boisterous) but they're ugly as sin. There are so many charming and elegant dog breeds out there that also have good personalities, I don't get the appeal!
I guess people find different things cute/attractive.

And even if you did find them ugly, cuteness isn’t a great trait to choose a dog breed on. I know lots of people with dogs they think are ‘cute’ when realistically their traits make them poor family dogs.

bunique · 19/11/2021 23:52

they have this ridiculous uneven build which makes it look bodybuilders that skipped leg day one too many times.

That’s an excellent description! This one is a very stocky cross with massive ears, like she’s been crossed with a corgi but with longer legs.

starfishmummy · 20/11/2021 00:39

Friends if ours had a staffing who was terrified of people and other dogs. She did come round to being friendly with people in her old age but not dogs!!

Blackkitty · 20/11/2021 00:41

they have extremely powerful jaws that lock down on what they're attacking

Complete and absolute nonsense. They did a study on bite force and the loved Labrador has a bite similar to that of an American pit ball. Just google it if you don’t believe me! Staffies don’t even feature on on the top ten list of dogs with the strongest bites. I’m sick to death of reading such bull crap misinformation about the breed, one of the reason rescues are full to the brim with staffs is all the myths and misinformation that’s floating about.

Although prone to reactive behaviour, staffs are usually fine with other dogs when they’ve been socialised right. Remember every dog is an individual, I’d trust the rescue and their assessment of the dog.

Just fit the record my dog has been attacked twice, both times it was a black Labrador. But please don’t let my antidotal account put you off labs or anything.

Heartofglass12345 · 20/11/2021 01:07

@Wishihadanalgorithm you've just reminded me the local kids used to come and knock for our dog too lol

DontKnowWhatToThink7 · 20/11/2021 07:15

they have extremely powerful jaws that lock down on what they're attacking

They don't have lock jaw ffs

Grumpyosaurus · 20/11/2021 07:28

[quote OldTinHat]Loads of references to them being nicknamed a 'nanny dog' if you take time to google. For example: www.petplan.co.uk/pet-information/dog/advice/5-things-you-should-know-about-staffies/[/quote]
If that was aimed at me, I was asking for a reputable source i.e. referenced back to the use of 'nanny dog' in the dog fighting days to which indoctro refers.

I can use Google and the last time I went digging, the term only went as far back as about the 1970s.

There's a lot of slagging off of labs on this thread, but the dogs that have bitten me and my dogs have been a staff, a rottie and a fucking great mastiff.

DontKnowWhatToThink7 · 20/11/2021 07:29

And to all the people saying the staffies are not cute and are ugly, just leaving these here.

Staffys - tell me honestly, do they deserve such a bad rep
Staffys - tell me honestly, do they deserve such a bad rep
Staffys - tell me honestly, do they deserve such a bad rep
DontKnowWhatToThink7 · 20/11/2021 07:32

@grumpy I have done a quick google search and there are many different articles about children or adults being attacked and killed by Labrodors. It's definitely not unheard of. So why don't they get the same reputation as staffies?

Indoctro · 20/11/2021 08:18

@Grumpyosaurus

I don't think people are "slagging" off labs but just pointing out lots of other dogs attack dogs and people but there doesn't seem to be the same hysteria around it

It's a shame really as they are a lovely breed

Most dogs behave badly due to lack of training .

I see loads of small dogs out walking , yapping and snarling and lunging at my staffy puppy when I'm out walking and owners just giggling and saying oh silly doggy don't do that type reaction

They are dog aggressive and in my eyes they should be muzzled but because they are small and fluffy the owners think it's acceptable and it simply is not.

As a family pet the staffy is definitely up there if not No1 and this is what they should have a reputation for.

2021namechanger · 20/11/2021 08:22

I love Staffies - never met one I didn’t like.

However - I’ve had a shar pei - and while she was a lovely dog - they are stand off-ish and stubborn (she had the temperament of a cat).

Obviously with a cross - who knows whether you’ll get the waft tailed staff or the snooty shar pei personality. But it’s something to be aware of.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 20/11/2021 08:25

@DaisyStiener

I know OP, you’ve had lots of replies and very sensible to ask and very sensible suggestions But yip, f*ck anything sharpei Shock and the issue with staffs , if they’re your own from a pup- you know their temperament , when you adopt ANY breed : your taking the seller/charities word for it Staffys are indeed lovely dogs. Not a lot of health issues and totally bomb proof. BUT if they choose to not let of of something in those powerful jaws…. Game over Unfortunately there’s an epidemic of unhomeable dogs due to lack of training , and we all go round on circles - the person wants a dog-can’t get one from centre- puppy demand/fashion chooses impractical breed for lifestyle- behavioural issues- back to the homing centre or worse, Gumtree…
  • previous dog rehoming centre worker.
Hi Daisy

Yes, this thread has been very helpful and I'm definitely not progressing with this particular dog for the x breed reason.

We've not ruled out a staffy yet but I would absolutely categorically NEVER turn to Gumtree etc, promise Wink

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tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 20/11/2021 08:26

@bunique

Darn, pics didn’t attach
That last pic is hilarious! Grin
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cobalt82 · 20/11/2021 09:04

A lot of what I would have said has already been posted, but basically to sum it up, the SBT’s history (and I know people hate accepting this because it’s awful, but denying it is a disservice to this breed) is heavily seeped in blood sports, dog fighting in particular. And it is mostly from this, that Staffs gained this bad reputation. This is not to say that responsible breeders these days are trying to breed away from this, but there are absolutely still dogs being bred for this awful purpose in underground rings and the history can still run in their genetics - many Staffs are not tolerant/reactive of other dogs.

They were never “nanny dogs”, this isn’t to say that some aren’t fantastic with kids, but no dog is a nanny dog, no dog should be left unsupervised with young children. I’ve seen people that genuinely believe this was the breed’s original purpose, to look after children when the parents were away. Historical citations of this phrase being used are difficult to find (and most seem to end up talking about the American pit bull terrier instead, a different breed) - “nanny dog” is a more recent thing and I really wish it would stop being used because it does no service to any dog being expected to be 100% bombproof with children, and there are far too many idiots out there that take the term literally.

Also, to touch on the ‘locking jaw’ thing. Also a myth. However, look up ‘gameness’, this was a prized trait in Staffs (and still is today, their loyalty and courage is often unmatched) but it was used for a crueler reason; to create dogs so determined to fight that they could have broken bones and they’d still wouldn’t give up. They have a very specific bite style that was selectively bred for, whilst most other breeds will often snap and release when they bite, bull terrier breeds will often hold on with incredible tenacity, and shake (like terriers, see how ratters shake their quarry to break their necks, very efficient!). You’ve seen the videos of Staffs hanging from branches and tyres, or relentlessly hanging off their tuggy toys, this is that fantastic drive in action. This is where the ‘lock jaw’ myth came about, because if they are determined, they will not give up. That, coupled with the fact that these are powerful dogs in a small package, is what can make their attacks (as some people have mentioned as anecdotes here) so deadly. Unfortunately, in the case of an attack (and yes, all dogs can turn, of any breed), the owners are often ill-equipped to handle it and most of the time, didn’t even know that their dog was capable of it. And because of this gameness, which is still seen today in some SBTs, it’s generally difficult for the average person to remove the dog until it’s too late.

Anyway I could go on because I’m really passionate about dog breed history and Staffs in general, they’re a great breed that is sadly filled with a lot of misinformation and fear, BUT people need to do their research and accept that this is a breed that often does not get on well with other dogs/smaller animals due to selectively bred genetics and, in the wrong, inexperienced hands, has the potential to do a lot of damage.

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